Comments on this asscher, please

[isaku5]

I found another asscher which sounds pretty good on paper and I am hoping for your input

My parameters were: GIA report, 1.70 - 1.99 c, IF - VVS2, D - F colour, L:W ratio 1: 1.01 Polish and Symmetry: VG/X.

As all you PS''ers know this is a pretty tall order even on paper. I did get a couple of pictures to consider, but no "scopes" etc.

I am not able to see the diamond as I live in Canada, and it is in the southern US.

Your opinions would be appreciated.

Laser inscribed GIA # on girdle

Square emerald cut

7.01 x 6.90 x 4.72mm

1.88c.

F colour

IF clarity

Polish: EX

Symmetry: G

Fluor.: None Table: 64% Depth: 68.4%

 

[decodelighted]

I hope you''re getting more pix. The first one looks "wonky" to me. It might be the "good" symmetry ... which since stones rarely get "fair" I usually interpret to mean "not so good".

I''d consider "IF" overkill in my personal opinion - though great Asschers are so hard to come by, if one comes up at the right price & right size & right other specs ... I''d go "IF" if I had to.

More pix?

 

[isaku5]

Date: 5/12/2006 7:00:03 PM
Author: decodelighted
I hope you''re getting more pix. The first one looks ''wonky'' to me. It might be the ''good'' symmetry ... which since stones rarely get ''fair'' I usually interpret to mean ''not so good''.

I''d consider ''IF'' overkill in my personal opinion - though great Asschers are so hard to come by, if one comes up at the right price & right size & right other specs ... I''d go ''IF'' if I had to.

More pix?

Thanks for your opinion, decodelighted.

I have two more pictures, but I don''t know whether they''ll help.

 

[isaku5]

oops! Trying again.

 

[isaku5]

One more...

 

[isaku5]

Yet another attempt...

 

[isaku5]

I give up...

 

[JulieN]

isaku, get rid of the # in the file name.

 

[strmrdr]

pass
bad pavilion angles.

 

[isaku5]

Date: 5/12/2006 8:07:41 PM
Author: JulieN
isaku, get rid of the # in the file name.

Thanks, Julie.

 

[isaku5]

One more...

 

[isaku5]

Date: 5/12/2006 8:11:21 PM
Author: strmrdr
pass
bad pavilion angles.

Would you please explain what you mean, storm

 

[Kaleigh]

I''ll let Storm explain but I say pass as well.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 5/12/2006 8:56:36 PM
Author: isaku5

Date: 5/12/2006 8:11:21 PM

Author: strmrdr

pass

bad pavilion angles.

Would you please explain what you mean, storm

too dark in the center, ill explain more tomorrow when im feeling better.

 

[decodelighted]

Lemmie preface with the fact I''m just a laymen consumer who happens to have an Asscher e-ring & has done some research & searches myself.

I really, really don''t like the look of that stone. It seems "all off". It''s hard to "get away" with much "offness" in an Asscher because it''s whole "look" is achieved with the symmetry. And this one doesn''t come together in a pleasing manner.

In something like an Asscher particularly - it''s counterintuitive to look for such high specs in clarity and color without holding the same standards for the "hallmark" criteria of the shape - symmetry. (My stone is Very Good, not Excellent - so I compromised some myself, FYI, but only with something that pleased my eye)

Awaiting more Strmdr ...

 

[isaku5]

Date: 5/12/2006 9:08:25 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 5/12/2006 8:56:36 PM
Author: isaku5

Date: 5/12/2006 8:11:21 PM

Author: strmrdr

pass

bad pavilion angles.

Would you please explain what you mean, storm

too dark in the center, ill explain more tomorrow when im feeling better.

Sorry you''re not feeling well, storm. Get better soon.

 

[isaku5]

Date: 5/12/2006 9:13:06 PM
Author: decodelighted
Lemmie preface with the fact I''m just a laymen consumer who happens to have an Asscher e-ring & has done some research & searches myself.

I really, really don''t like the look of that stone. It seems ''all off''. It''s hard to ''get away'' with much ''offness'' in an Asscher because it''s whole ''look'' is achieved with the symmetry. And this one doesn''t come together in a pleasing manner.

In something like an Asscher particularly - it''s counterintuitive to look for such high specs in clarity and color without holding the same standards for the ''hallmark'' criteria of the shape - symmetry. (My stone is Very Good, not Excellent - so I compromised some myself, FYI, but only with something that pleased my eye)

Awaiting more Strmdr ...

Thanks again for your honesty, decodelighted.

I really wish that Canadian jewellers would catch on to the demand for asschers which many of us up here love, but can''t accesss. It would make the search so much easier to have a vendor bring in at least 2 or 3 so that a comparison could be made with the actual stones.

I found two RA''s here, but the prices were ridiculous (2.15c- $53,400 set in a plain plat.setting), and a 2.35c VS, H colour, Depth-63.7%, Table 59%, Polish- G, Symmetry -VG for the princely sum of $56,600!!!! Adding insult to injury,the jeweler had no idea what windmills and steps were, and both stones were bu$$ ugly!!

Many PS''ers had suggested that I choose a vendor whose opinion I trust to find my "dream asscher" and have it set by that vendor. Easier said than done. Patience...Patience...Patience....

 

[Rhino]

Date: 5/12/2006 9:08:25 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 5/12/2006 8:56:36 PM
Author: isaku5

Date: 5/12/2006 8:11:21 PM

Author: strmrdr

pass

bad pavilion angles.

Would you please explain what you mean, storm

too dark in the center, ill explain more tomorrow when im feeling better.

Those were exactly my thoughts when I viewed the first pic. It looked a little on the dark side ... and Luke, I am not your father.

 

[strmrdr]

This is a wire diagram of the bottom facet structure of a 3 step asscher.

The angles of A and D in relation to the crown facets determin the brightness of the light return thru the crown facets.
These also set the stage for the rest of the pavilion facets and the patterns.
On the diamond your considering this is pretty good.

The angle and location of B and E determin the patterns and light return under the table until you get near the center.
These angles are off on the one your considering. E is close to what B should be. This is why it is too dark looking.

The angles of C and F determin the brightness of the center of the diamond. Again these are a bit off.

Where it gets really ccomplicated is the depth and start point in relation to the girdle for each of these facets is as important as the angle.
Thats why asschers even if you have the angles of each facet are hard to say anything by just the numbers how far down each facet goes is just as important and it isnt in the standard list of numbers.
A helium scan or a srn file has the information but there are a ton of variables that make it very very hard to get a picture of the asscher from the numbers without a computer program like diamcalc and even then unless its based on a helium scan its pretty useless.
Thats why good pictures are critical.

 

[isaku5]

Glad you''re feeling better, storm.

Thanks for your detailed explanation. I''m going to keep studying it

If there are any suggestions as to where to look to find a storm-worthy kichen asscher, I''d appreciate any input