Clarity for 2ct diamond

[daysie]

Hi All,

I''m totally new to buying diamonds and wanted ur opinions on a 2ct diamond. I''ve read that cut and color are very important in deciding a diamond''s beauty. But what about clarity? I''ve read some where for a 2ct diamond, you should be getting clarity of VS and above, but the price is so BIG!! If you get an eye-clean SI 2ct will that affect the diamond?

Also, I live in Australia but diamond prices here seem exhorbitant compared to online sellers in the U.S. Is it risky though to buy from an online U.S seller eg. Whiteflash and get it shipped to Australia?

You guys are so lucky in the U.S, so many choices at very competitve prices too!

Appreciate any advice/help

Daysie

 

[Lorelei]

A carefully chosen SI2 clarity diamond ( GIA or AGS graded) which has been inspected for you for ' eyecleanliness' by an expert and trusted vendor can be an excellent choice! SI clarities are not createq equal, in the larger stones some may be eyeclean or close to it and others may not, so make sure your vendor understands your expectations concerning ' eyecleanliness' so that you are both on the same page, and can work together to find a diamond you will love.

I am sure Aussie PSers AJ and Honey will chime in and reassure you, both have bought from US vendors Whiteflash ( Honey I think) and AJ from GoodoldGold so they will have lots of good info for you. No risk, both are trusted vendors with fantastic reputations.

 

[daysie]

Thanks Lorelei! I wonder if Honey and AJ may be able to share their online buying experience here. My Bf is not convinced online shopping is the best way to go...he is still for the "wanna see it and inspect it" before buying attitude. I''m more value for money. Plus all the ones we have seen are either from U.S mall equivalent jewellers or shifty jewellers in Chinatown and it''s quite rare to find jewellers that actually have 2ct diamonds in Australia.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/17/2008 8:07:21 AM
Author: daysie
Thanks Lorelei! I wonder if Honey and AJ may be able to share their online buying experience here. My Bf is not convinced online shopping is the best way to go...he is still for the 'wanna see it and inspect it' before buying attitude. I'm more value for money. Plus all the ones we have seen are either from U.S mall equivalent jewellers or shifty jewellers in Chinatown and it's quite rare to find jewellers that actually have 2ct diamonds in Australia.

I will make sure they see this thread by stalking them Daysie, don't worry!

Meanwhile, here is AJ's thread you can read, she purchased the diamond from WF and had GOG set it.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/its-finally-finished-thankyou-gog-and-wf.89109/

 

[stone-cold11]

I believe quite of few PSers has bought from Jogia diamonds which is based in Australia and give a good review of it. With the exchange rate now, that might be cheaper too. You might want to take a look at it?

 

[Ellen]

Sc, I don''t think your link is right?

 

[stone-cold11]

Oops... Scratch that...

Jogia Diamonds

 

[daysie]

Hi again,

Lorelei: I just went to the link you sent and saw a massively beautiful ring...I guess that quashes any doubts I''ve had abt buying from U.S online seller since she had the ring on her finger!! All I can say is wow...I''m taken away by how white it is given its colour grade.

Stone cold: Thank you also for suggesting a terrific website. (www.jorgiadiamonds.com.au). I just did a quick search and they can order the diamonds I want. Have no idea where but it says they''re GIA certified and yes buying and paying in AUD$ right now will be advantageous!! AUD has dropped around 30% in the past 2 wks

. I''ve been monitoring due to wanting to buy from the U.S.

From the search, I''ve found this diamond:

Carat: 2.01
Colour: E
Clarity: SI1
Table: 56%
Depth: 60.7%
Measurements: 8.18-8.26x4.99

Price: $43,318

What do u guys think?

 

[daysie]

Oops: www.jogiadiamonds.com.au

I couldn''t view the GIA eCertificate from the link so can''t give the date of certification

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:00:18 AM
Author: daysie
Oops: www.jogiadiamonds.com.au

I couldn''t view the GIA eCertificate from the link so can''t give the date of certification

Daysie, you would need to contact them and ask for the crown and pavilion angles for that diamond, it could be worth considering with the info we have but the angles are the deciding factor.

 

[stone-cold11]

I think this is the stone's report. Looks good from the numbers... HCA 1.8 for 60.7% depth, 56% table, 33° crown angle, 41.2° pavilion angle.

What kind of budget do you have? E in most of our opinions is too high a color, you could drop to G or even lower and maybe boost up the clarity if you are afraid of eye-clean issue?

 

[AvusM5]

Stone_cold,
Why are you saying E is too high a color? I don't understand ...

 

[daysie]

Our budget is about AUD$40,000. But we can get 10% back in Australia if we buy it and travel outside of the country within 30 days. So the diamond in question comes down to bit over $39K.

As for the colour, I''m not that fussed so long as it''s still white. But my BF insists on it being E and above. (He''s an optician and is generally quite fussy with the small details whereas I''m more vain so carat and cut is more important

).

Our current specifications are:

Carat: 2
Colour: E
Cut: Excellent/Ideal
Clarity: Still tossing up b/w SI1 or VS2

Budget: AUD$40,000

I don''t know if I''m being realistic here or not.

Also, on the Jogia webiste, they have these diamonds rated as Crossfire?? I''ve read about ACA from WF and H&A from PS but Crossfire? Not sure it that''s just another way to upsell or price at a premium

I do want to say Pricescope has been the best educator in diamonds! I think without the forum we probably would have been duped into paying alot more than necessary and getting a sub-quality diamond from a shifty jeweller.

 

[stone-cold11]

Use this. Gia report check, you will need the report number and the carat weight of the stone. Good luck.

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:23:46 AM
Author: AvusM5
Stone_cold,

Why are you saying E is too high a color? I don''t understand ...

I mean too colorless... Too top grade... Should have said too colorless I guess... Sorry for the mix up. :p

 

[AvusM5]

Thanks, one last question while I have you here ... the Girdle description on the report says: "Medium to slightly thick, faceted" ... is this a good thing? Or should I be concerned? Thank you

Report Check for
GIA Report Number:



Report Type: GIA Diamond Dossier®

Date of Issue: April 21, 2008

Laser Inscription Registry: GIA 17087022

Round Brilliant

Measurements: 5.74 - 5.77 x 3.55 mm

Carat Weight: 0.72

Color Grade: D

Clarity Grade: VS1

Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:

Depth: 61.7 %

Table: 57 %

Crown Angle: 34°

Crown Height: 14.5 %

Pavilion Angle: 41°

Pavilion Depth: 43.5 %

Star length: 60 %

Lower Half: 80 %

Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted

Culet: None

Finish:

Polish: Excellent

Symmetry: Excellent

Fluorescence: None

Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Feather, Pinpoint

 

[AvusM5]

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[stone-cold11]

Daysie, what about fluorescence? You have any preference in that? With faint to medium blue, the price of the dimond could decrease by around 5% I believe, so you can use that to get better clarity I guess?

 

[stone-cold11]

AvusM5, Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted is excellent in the AGA guide for round brilliant cut so there is nothing to worry about.

 

[AvusM5]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[daysie]

Umm...sorry but I am really not that knowledeable about flourescence yet!

I guess as long as it doesn''t affect the cut and colour, I don''t really mind. What is the impact of the fluorscence anyway? Sorry to sound so clueless!!

I think the diamond above is faint blue

Also with clarity, my only thing is for it to be eye-clean and that''s why I can settle for SI1. Plus if I wanted VS and above, it will be another $10K and I think that''s way too demanding

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:40:40 AM
Author: daysie
Umm...sorry but I am really not that knowledeable about flourescence yet!

I guess as long as it doesn't affect the cut and colour, I don't really mind. What is the impact of the fluorscence anyway? Sorry to sound so clueless!!

I think the diamond above is faint blue

Also with clarity, my only thing is for it to be eye-clean and that's why I can settle for SI1. Plus if I wanted VS and above, it will be another $10K and I think that's way too demanding

Just take it slow, also rarely anything to worry about with fluorescence.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/fluor.asp

You have a good approach with SI clarity, it can be an excellent choice if verified eyeclean by a vendor who knows what your expectations are. Also nothing wrong with an E colour if that is what matters to you, you could certainly drop to G or H if you wanted, but if you want an E then that is perfectly fine.

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:40:40 AM
Author: daysie
Umm...sorry but I am really not that knowledeable about flourescence yet!

I guess as long as it doesn''t affect the cut and colour, I don''t really mind. What is the impact of the fluorscence anyway? Sorry to sound so clueless!!
I think the diamond above is faint blue
Also with clarity, my only thing is for it to be eye-clean and that''s why I can settle for SI1. Plus if I wanted VS and above, it will be another $10K and I think that''s way too demanding

Flourescence is present in some diamonds. Meaning it will glow blue in the presence of UV light source, like in direct sunlight, or disco light. Some like it, some don''t. Faint is almost undetectable. I have a very strong blue RB the becomes slightly blue in sunlight, so I like that effect. Only Strong and Very strong blue could have a detrimental effect on the stone by giving it an oily appearance, but that is also rare.

Ya, I checked on the VS grade, much too costly...

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:27:34 AM
Author: Stone-cold11

Date: 10/17/2008 9:23:46 AM
Author: AvusM5
Stone_cold,

Why are you saying E is too high a color? I don't understand ...

I mean too colorless... Too top grade... Should have said too colorless I guess... Sorry for the mix up. :p

SC, bear in mind that some people do want colourless diamonds for various reasons, not everyone wants to or is prepared to drop the colour or clarity in some cases. Best advice is to mention that you could consider dropping the colour or clarity as the case may be, but that if a colourless diamond is what is desired that you will help them accordingly.

 

[daysie]

Yeah...I mean the ring is only the start...the reception is going to cost another bomb

So do you think that diamond is ok for the price?

Do you think my budget is realistic in getting a good quality diamond (given my specifications?)

Thanks for all your help!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:27:48 AM
Author: AvusM5

Thanks, one last question while I have you here ... the Girdle description on the report says: ''Medium to slightly thick, faceted'' ... is this a good thing? Or should I be concerned? Thank you

Absolutely fine for a girdle measurement, no worries.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:51:50 AM
Author: daysie
Yeah...I mean the ring is only the start...the reception is going to cost another bomb

So do you think that diamond is ok for the price?

Do you think my budget is realistic in getting a good quality diamond (given my specifications?)

Thanks for all your help!

It could be a nice diamond, an Idealscope would be very useful though, I don''t know if this vendor supply them but you could ask. As to the budget, how much does that translate to in US $ ? I think you will be fine pricewise looking at the one you posted as an example.

 

[stone-cold11]

ya, I know. Just getting straight to the point.

Daysie, this stone looks good to me on the HCA too and is cheaper and slightly bigger than the first choice, if you are interested. I believe you can call jogia, to verify if the stone you desired is eye-clean first too. Price wise I think it is quite a good deal after all the exchange rate and import tax...

Good Luck.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:59:14 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
ya, I know. Just getting straight to the point.

Daysie, this stone looks good to me on the HCA too and is cheaper and slightly bigger than the first choice, if you are interested. I believe you can call jogia, to verify if the stone you desired is eye-clean first too.

Good Luck.

Perhaps in future just explain a bit more to avoid confusion, as new posters are often completely new to this and misunderstand as Daysie did above concerning the advice you gave on colour - it is easily done. Sometimes they post right away and don't have the time or inclination to read up much on diamonds before they do so.

 

[daysie]

Lorelei: AUD$40,000 = USD$27,600 (1AUD = 0.69. It was around 1AUD = 0.93 only few weeks ago!

)

Stone_cold:

Sorry but I can''t seem to get that link to work. Would you be kind enough to paste the actual one?