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Chip found on diamond 5 days before proposal - please help

tenniz23

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I just received a princess cut diamond that I ordered from James Allen yesterday morning. This morning I took it into an appraiser (GG, FGA, ASA) to have it checked out. She confirmed that the diamond did match the GIA report (which listed it as 1.78 ct, I color, VS1) When she looked at the diamond under 20x magnification, she found a small chip and a feather on one of the corners of the diamond. These were not identified on the GIA certificate nor were they found by the James Allen's gemologist who reviewed my diamond before shipping it. The appraiser recommended that I should not buy the diamond with the chip and that I should send the diamond back to James Allen to have the chip polished off. She said that no insurance company would insure the diamond since it has a pre-existing chip. She also took some photos of the chip and will be sending them to me shortly. This pretty much ruined my day considering that I was planning to propose in 5 days and am already having the setting custom made to the stone's dimensions.

As soon as I stepped out of her office, I called James Allen about the issue and spoke with a manager. He was very surprised to hear that there is a chip on the stone considering the fact that it had already been reviewed by by their gemologist. He said it is extremely unlikely that it was missed during their review. He said the gemologist probably saw the chip and decided that it was not a cause for any concern and did not reduce the quality or structural integrity of the stone. He also said that since the GIA did not include it on their plot, they probably also deemed that it wasn't a problem. He said that there shouldn't be any problem with having it insured since insurance companies generally only care about the carat, color, clarity, and whether the diamond is damaged. He says the chip shouldn't be considered as damage. He said that if I do send it back, the earliest they will receive it is the day before my planned proposal date. They would then have it reviewed by their senior gemologist and he is 99% sure that the gemologist will find the chip and determine that it does not affect the quality or structure of the stone and will recommend to have it shipped back to me as is. In the unlikely event that they determine it should be polished, it will take over a week to polish and have it re-evaluated before it can be sent back to me. I have e option to exchange it for another diamond but they will have to receive the current diamond first before they can ship it. That means receiving the diamond on the same day I am planning to propose. Also, there won't be enough time for them to do the Sarin report and ASET photos. He suggested that my appraiser was overly technical and was wrong in saying that insurance companies will reject the diamond.

I'm pretty distraught right now and really need some advice. Should I keep the current diamond that I have? Since it was found only under 20x magnification, is it any cause for concern? If not, Can I just ask the jeweler to cover the chip during setting and take the finished ring to a different appraiser who may not see the chip and therefore not have to note it on any appraisal documents? Even if it is noted on the appraisal, will insurance companies really reject the diamond? Please help.
 
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I am not someone who can give you the advice you really need, but what I will say is that you need and deserve to be 100% happy with this diamond. Even if the chip is proven to not affect the diamond in any negative way, it is still there and you need to decide if you'll still be 100% happy with it. If not, then you must return it.

Is there any way that you can propose with something else, and then pick a diamond after? I know that is less than ideal. I would HATE to have proposal plans ruined though. Is there a way to stop the making of the setting until the appropriate stone can be picked?

I'm so sorry this is happening. It will get worked out, it has to!
 
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I would go talk to a bunch of insurance companies.

For an exchange, I wouldn't wait until they receive the diamond for them to ship out your new one. If you order a replacement now on a separate order, they might be able to get it to you on Monday, maybe Tuesday. You can then find an ASET scope to look at it yourself and judge. Then, it's up to you to choose which stone to keep and propose with, and return the other one.
 
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Tiny chips happen often, with wear and tear! It could have easily been chipped while being set. Princesses specifically are more prone to getting chipped due to their corners. If you have a proposal planned out and don't want to miss the date, why not propose with the ring so you at least have something to show, then send it back and trade it out with JA after?
 
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I agree with meganmomma. If you're not 100% okay with the chip, I think it could bother you down the road. If the chip bothers you in any way, send the diamond back. I feel that when you're spending this amount of money or any amount of money you should be getting exactly what you expect. Best wishes. Let us know how things go.
 
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madelise said:
Tiny chips happen often, with wear and tear! It could have easily been chipped while being set. Princesses specifically are more prone to getting chipped due to their corners. If you have a proposal planned out and don't want to miss the date, why not propose with the ring so you at least have something to show, then send it back and trade it out with JA after?

She won't even need to be without a ring for any amount of time! JA's return policy is 60 days. You can propose with what you have, search for a replacement complete with ASET or whatever you need, order, receive, then return your current ring with plenty of time to spare. Your credit card might start smoking, but it should be credited promptly.
 
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Send it back for an exchange. this diamond is no longer "mind clean".. ::)
 
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madelise|1375482526|3495584 said:
Tiny chips happen often, with wear and tear! It could have easily been chipped while being set. Princesses specifically are more prone to getting chipped due to their corners. If you have a proposal planned out and don't want to miss the date, why not propose with the ring so you at least have something to show, then send it back and trade it out with JA after?

I just received the stone and it has not been set yet. The setting is being custom-made by a local jeweler and that's also part of the problem. The jeweler needed the exact dimensions for the stone and has already provided the CAD and is growing the wax mold right now. If I get a new stone, I'm not sure if it will work with the setting that he is making. If I have him set the ring, propose with it, and then send the stone back to JA, I'm worried that JA would claim that the chip was caused by the setting. Also, the new stone would need to have the same dimensions or the setting would need to be remade.

If I just keep the stone, I'm concerned that the chip may have occurred sometime after GIA certified it and before JA shipped it to me. In that case, the GIA certificate would no longer be valid right?

I just received the photos of the chip from the appraiser and have attached them. The chip is visible in both photos and the feather is visible in the second.
chip_0.jpg
chip_and_feather.jpg
 
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I think you should contact the jeweler who is making your ring ASAP to see what your options are. You should not be trapped into keeping this diamond because the setting is being made. This is not your fault.
 
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The jeweler that is making my ring was out today and have not gotten back to me. I've tried looking around online, but there just doesn't seem to be any way to get all the details for a new diamond (ASET and Sarin reports) without having to push back the proposal date. I was planning to propose on her birthday, so pushing it back would mean disappointing her on her birthday since I don't have much else planned.

Right now, I'm just wondering if the price that I paid for the diamond is fair considering the presence of the chip or if the chip has already been taken into account for the stone. If anyone has experience with pricing diamonds (particularly those with a chip), I would really appreciate it. Here are the specs:
Carat: 1.78
Color: I (appraiser estimated it to be an H)
Clarity: VS1
Cut: Excellent
Girdle: Slightly Thick-Thick
Culet: None
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None
AGA Grade: 1A (scored 1A across the board except for a 1B on table percentage)
Also has a very symmetrical ASET image: diamond_2_-_aset.jpg
Price: $10,670

When I bought the diamond, I thought it was a really good price for what it is. Now, it seems clear that this was likely due to the chip. Is the price still fair in light of the chip?
 
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I agree, send it back.

You might want to reconsider a princess cut--they do have a tendency to chip far more easily than a round. So sorry this happened. I hope you can still find a new ring in time for her birthday. You could order a stock setting and have the ring shipped overnight.
 
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Does she prefer princess cut for her e-ring? If so, I guess you should stick with that. If not, I would avoid princess cuts since the corners are vulnerable. I guess it may be too late, but it is a good idea to have the diamond vendor set the stone especially with princess cuts.
 
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denverappraiser|1375503187|3495801 said:
Send it back.

+1 its been damaged somewhere along the line. I am sorry this has happened but delay the proposal and either get it polished out or find a new stone.
 
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"He also said that since the GIA did not include it on their plot, they probably also deemed that it wasn't a problem. He said that there shouldn't be any problem with having it insured since insurance companies generally only care about the carat, color, clarity, and whether the diamond is damaged. He says the chip shouldn't be considered as damage."

It would really put me off if someone told me that.
 
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No doubt in my mind ... send it back ASAP. The answer from JA is :confused:
 
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Thanks for all the feedback. It looks like the unanimous advice that I should return it. Looks like I'll have to face the music and send it back even though this means pushing back the proposal date. Quite frankly, I was really disappointed by the JA manager's response. Their customer service had been phenomenal up until when I needed them the most. He stonewalled me on all my questions and even blamed the appraiser for "putting [me] in a bad position by giving an overly technical appraisal". I would've believed him too if it wasn't for all you guys setting me straight. Thanks again for the help.
 
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You need to stop the process on the setting. You could conceivably get a new ring in time if you chose a stock setting from somewhere else and you could handle a way to pay for the new one before the old one is refunded.
 
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Another vote for sending it back and buying a new diamond. Stop the custom process, let them know what happened. Have the new diamond put in to a stock setting, with the custom made setting to follow a few days later. It'll be a rush, but you should still be able to propose on her birthday.
 
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tenniz23|1375527263|3495850 said:
Thanks for all the feedback. It looks like the unanimous advice that I should return it. Looks like I'll have to face the music and send it back even though this means pushing back the proposal date. Quite frankly, I was really disappointed by the JA manager's response. Their customer service had been phenomenal up until when I needed them the most. He stonewalled me on all my questions and even blamed the appraiser for "putting [me] in a bad position by giving an overly technical appraisal". I would've believed him too if it wasn't for all you guys setting me straight. Thanks again for the help.

I believe that when Mr. Allen reads this thread that he is going to be having a serious discussion with that manager. The manager's response was completely unethical and unprofessional. GIA would never have not noted that chip had it been detected, and since three different graders view each stone it is very unlikely that it would have gone unnoticed. Had it been detected by the graders at GIA it would already have been repaired as no one wants a grading report pointing out a damage at the location most likely to be more damaged during setting.

If you were to mount the diamond and then return it you would very likely be told that the damage did not exist when it was delivered to you and thus it must have occurred during setting and is the liability of your jeweler. This would be an entirely logical position by JA since the damage was not documented by them before it was sent out. Therefore you are correct in not wanting to set it now and return it later. Actually, it is actually very possible that this small chip was caused by someone using unpadded metal tweezers to hold the diamond by its corners, which are the weak point in a princess cut's armor. It could also have been caused by someone dropping the stone onto a table or the floor at any time once the paper was issued.

If you have any issues with the return, my advice would be to ask to speak to someone further up the chain of command. JA is not going destroy their credibility over the small cost of repairing this chip, especially when you get past the person who was misguidedly stonewalling you with such ridiculous and untrue statements.

By the way, your appraiser was doing exactly what you hired her for. Her attention to detail is to be commended.

Wink
 
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They need to send you an overnight return label now, today, so they will have it back on Monday.
 
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diamondseeker2006|1375539052|3495906 said:
They need to send you an overnight return label now, today, so they will have it back on Monday.

OP, this exactly what I was thinking... JA should make this right -- maybe you should speak with a supervisor? If it means putting a "rush" on deliveries and inspections/repairs, then so be it. JA should everything in their power to fix this as soon as possible. I agree with everyone else to return the diamond. Otherwise, you are going to be worrying about it constantly.
 
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It's very disappointing to hear about such shoddy customer service at James Allen. I bought my stone and setting from them last year and have recommended them to friends and family members. After hearing this, though, I will think twice before I recommend them to anyone else. Their response to your concern is outrageous. I would certainly not be ok with a newly bought diamond having a chip on it. An OBVIOUS chip on the corner of a princess cut, no less.
 
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OP, I am very sorry for the problem with the diamond, proposal plans etc. I hope everything resolves per your expectations.

One thing stood out for me: this is an excellant example why, we should always have 3rd party review prior to consummating a major jewelery purchase.
sarahb
 
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sarahb|1375547137|3495955 said:
OP, I am very sorry for the problem with the diamond, proposal plans etc. I hope everything resolves per your expectations.

One thing stood out for me: this is an excellant example why, we should always have 3rd party review prior to consummating a major jewelery purchase.
sarahb

sarahb, you are so right...
 
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I do not want to go off topic, but it kind of relates -

I am curious. The appraiser checked the diamond under 20X. I thought all diamonds were inspected at 10X and graded accordingly. So could that be why it was not noted on the GIA report or by James Allen. Or am I totally misunderstanding???
 
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ruby59|1375553376|3496010 said:
I do not want to go off topic, but it kind of relates -

I am curious. The appraiser checked the diamond under 20X. I thought all diamonds were inspected at 10X and graded accordingly. So could that be why it was not noted on the GIA report or by James Allen. Or am I totally misunderstanding???


This is a good point, but I want to add something.
Thinking that higher magnification always means being able to see more is very common misunderstanding.

There are 10x loupes that cost near $500.
There are 20x loupes that cost near $5.

The above 10x will have more sharpness and resolution than the 20x.
You will be able to make out some details better with the expensive 10x than the cheapo 20x.

This is true for loupes, telescopes, binoculars, microscopes, camera lenses, etc.
If you want to see more don't just get higher power, spend more money.
 
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ruby59|1375553376|3496010 said:
I do not want to go off topic, but it kind of relates -

I am curious. The appraiser checked the diamond under 20X. I thought all diamonds were inspected at 10X and graded accordingly. So could that be why it was not noted on the GIA report or by James Allen. Or am I totally misunderstanding???

Often items are looked at and then looked at again at a higher x factor. If an item is found it is scaled back down to 10x to see if it can still be seen. If so it is now listed as visible at 10x, even if it had to be found at a higher x first. I know this from personal experience with an incredible steel gray emerald cut diamond that I sent in for a report back in the early 80's. I had inspected it carefully and not found anything at all. it came back VVS1 on an inclusion that I could not see below 40x but the graders at GIA insisted that they could see it. Heck, I only found it at 60x after long study of the diagram from GIA, it disappeared from my view at 40X. At 3cts you can imagine how much that invisible pinpoint cost me in potential earnings on that diamond.

I am very confident from seeing the photo that this chip was indeed visible at 10x and would have been found at that power.

Wink
 
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I really, really, really, really, REALLY hope that the jeweler is understanding of the situation you have been put in. Please keep us posted.
 
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Were you able to resolve anything today?

I feel terrible recommending this stone to you on the other thread. It definitely looked like a winner, and I don't believe the price was discounted due to anyone knowing about the chip. This thread (and those great pictures) should serve as a warning to anyone buying princess stones online or in-person.

I hope you can get the right stone on short notice.
 
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