"Chinese" virus renaming

[partgypsy]

In case people are wondering why Sars Cov-2 (aka Covid 19) is now being called Chinese virus, even though it was Not referred as such even in it's earliest days, a leaked GOP memo response to the Covid pandemic is: call it the "Chinese virus", attack/blame China (even though they have lower numbers than the US does at this point) and associate Democrats with the Chinese. Yep. That is the GOPs unified response to the Covid pandemic. You cannot make this stuff up. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.po.../04/24/gop-memo-anti-china-coronavirus-207244

 

[the_mother_thing]

@partgypsy I’m pretty sure you meant to post this elsewhere vs RT. May want to hit ‘report concern’ and ask admin to move it to Hangout.

But it wasn’t in April that some began using that term ... it was pretty much from the get-go once it started spreading outside China; there was a thread in HO with evidence to that effect from all major media outlets. I would be curious to see the Dems playbook for COVID messaging. It’s no big secret both parties employ strategic communications teams for messaging; that’s why there is so much redundancy during all the interviews.

 

[partgypsy]

Yep I didn't mean to post here, and when I hit report concern said it was already reported, so I can't ask for it to be moved (hopefully the moderators will move to Hangout). What do you think of this method of responding to the COVID pandemic? To me, it doesn't seem productive, and at worst it is misdirected. We know this is a natural virus, a natural outbreak. I think it is also pretty well known China officials tried to "hide" the magnitude of the problem at the outset. At the same time we did find out and China enacted measures to limit the spread of the virus. We as a country did have advance warning by seeing what was happening in other countries. We were warned by WHO, yet our government response was strangely lackluster. Now the US is number one is deaths from COVID, over any other country. We do need a better explanation from our own government of this "number one" ranking. Pointing fingers at other countries isn't going to cut it.

 

[the_mother_thing]

What do you think of this method of responding to the COVID pandemic?

I think it’s important to acknowledge - regardless of party/opinion - that this “playbook” is not representative of the ENTIRE response to COVID. It is merely a communications reference tool for managing one aspect of the overall response - in this case, consistent messaging and factual references for those who are likely to be interviewed by media and/or confronted/ing opposing opinions. They aren’t uncommon nor limited to the political arena. Companies, non-profits and other entities compile them all the time for a myriad of topics because - despite our best efforts - we can’t remember everything all of the time. So, I have no problem with the creation and use of this so long as the content/messaging is accurate. That is the point - everyone singing the same tune vs. disseminating misinformation.

I’m not sure if you noticed, but the article and playbook is dated early April. Thinking back to that point in time, the virus was still just beginning to spread around the U.S., media were clamoring to interview any politician they could, and it was around this same time that information was still fairly limited, unsubstantiated, etc. in terms of whether it was/wasn’t naturally-occurring, from a wet market or bio-weapons lab, etc.

What wasn’t limited was the immediate finger-pointing. For example, politicians in NY and San Francisco had just told their citizens in mid/late March “it’s fine, nothing to worry about, come out and eat, celebrate, take in the arts/show...” Then, just 2-3 weeks later, all hell broke loose, our country shut down, and everyone blamed POTUS for not doing enough sooner, when in actuality, his first public response/action to limit the virus’s spread was the end of January; and he was labeled xenophobic for it.

That’s where this playbook comes in handy - it lays out clearly who, what, when, etc. - with details/facts to support those statements - for those getting into a politically-motivated pizzing contest. It’s content is not intended to advise citizens how best to protect themselves, whether masks work, etc. I’m sure the medical professionals, scientists, surgeon general getting up to the podium every day had their own version; clearly, it was non-stop evolving and likely still is.

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

I have never heard covid 19 called the Chinese virus by anyone here and i would not refer to it as such

I don't trust the Chinese govt and i don't like wet markets but i still have much sympathy and empathy for the people of Wuhan and anyone anywhere with covid 19

 

[partgypsy]

Well i looked at the memo. I didn't read the whole thing (it's 56 pages) but there is misinformation. It is pushing the claim that it was released from a Chinese lab. In fact it's been shown it is a not previously known virus (it's even in the name (novel sars cov 2 virus). Not previously collected or identified. And while there is a very detailed timeline for China, striking omission of when the white house knew information, and failed to act. The stay at home orders were given at local, city and state levels. All the while the white house was MIA for any cohesive, proactive, and scientifically based response. But local and state officials did step up, and lots of people esp health providers are doing amazing jobs.

 

[Dancing Fire]

We as a country did have advance warning by seeing what was happening in other countries. We were warned by WHO, yet our government response was strangely lackluster. Now the US is number one is deaths from COVID, over any other country.

What warning??. For at least 3 weeks WHO was covering up for China till it got out of control, and if you believe the low death # coming out of China then I have a Golden Gate Bridge to sell you.

 

[mellowyellowgirl]

What warning??. For at least 3 weeks WHO was covering up for China till it got out of control, and if you believe the low death # coming out of China then I have a Golden Gate Bridge to sell you.

Yup! We closed borders in Australia and WHO said we were being dramatic and causing panic for no good reason.

Thank goodness our government closed borders and didn't listen to them!!!!

 

[BMI]

In case people are wondering why Sars Cov-2 (aka Covid 19) is now being called Chinese virus, even though it was Not referred as such even in it's earliest days...

I am not sure where you are just now hearing the name the Chinese Virus, but it is the name our president was using from very early on. He stopped using it in his press briefings some time ago after receiving a great deal of bad publicity for it. Has the title resurfaced, because I have not heard or seen it used in what seems like ages? (Though I admit, my sense of time is definitely off these days and I no longer watch press conferences.)

For example, politicians in NY and San Francisco had just told their citizens in mid/late March “it’s fine, nothing to worry about, come out and eat, celebrate, take in the arts/show...”

@the_mother_thing Please know that I am not trying to be argumentative or invalidate your post.

However, I would like to clarify that San Francisco was the first county (along with 5 other neighboring counties) in the nation to implement SIP on March 16. Three days later Governor Newsom followed suit and mandated a statewide SIP for California on March 19, also the first state to do so.

In strictest U.S. coronavirus response so far, six Bay Area counties order 'shelter in place'

Six counties in the San Francisco Bay Area on Monday announced a “shelter in place” order restricting all residents to their homes, with few exceptions, for at least the next three weeks.

www.statnews.com

So while it is possible that some politicians in San Francisco did as you say in the first half of March, it would make no sense for them to have done so in the middle/latter half of the month. The city of San Francisco has been taking this virus very seriously since the beginning. And as a result, a city with a large international airport and a population of 881,549 people, has had only 3057 cases and 47 deaths to date.

And it is my personal belief that the collaboration of the Bay Area counties to close down their businesses and keep their people home, gave our governor the impetus he needed to do the same statewide. Which in turn made it easier for other governors to follow along, because I seriously don't think any governor wanted to shut down their entire economy. But again, that is just my personal opinion.

Sadly, New York with it's much denser and ten times larger population, has not been so fortunate.

 

[the_mother_thing]

@BMI You are correct; thank you for the correction (and no worries/offense taken). I should have double-checked the dates - SF was late Feb & NY was mid-March. I was trying to avoid focusing on the politics given the thread was in RT when I posted, and respond to PG more generically about the document.

POTUS definitely wasn’t the only person using the "China-Viirus/Flu/etc" term though; all of the MSM outlets & politicians - on both sides - called it that for a few months, though POTUS did continue for a period after they ceased.


@JPie That chip on your shoulder must be painful; I recommend getting a massage.

 

[the_mother_thing]

Well i looked at the memo. I didn't read the whole thing (it's 56 pages) but there is misinformation. It is pushing the claim that it was released from a Chinese lab. In fact it's been shown it is a not previously known virus (it's even in the name (novel sars cov 2 virus). Not previously collected or identified. And while there is a very detailed timeline for China, striking omission of when the white house knew information, and failed to act. The stay at home orders were given at local, city and state levels. All the while the white house was MIA for any cohesive, proactive, and scientifically based response. But local and state officials did step up, and lots of people esp health providers are doing amazing jobs.

I didn’t read every word either, just skimmed through it; but as I noted earlier, when that article & document were published, several of the items you‘re refuting now were not yet known/confirmed at that time. That’s an important distinction to acknowledge if you’re criticizing its contents two months later.

I thought you were asking about the document’s purpose. If your intention with posting it is just to politicize the virus or assign blame, your same points were debated endlessly on here already in multiple other threads. With regard to your very first comment about this document (or Trump) being responsible for the term "Chinese Virus", I’ll leave you with this media montage from the very early days ... long before that document was probably thought necessary.

 

[partgypsy]

Well, do we all agree we should no longer call it the "Chinese virus"? And blaming China for is meaningless and counterproductive. No one including any government would want this virus to spread. No one has an antidote or vaccine and it is an indiscriminate killer and spreader.

 

[partgypsy]

I didn’t read every word either, just skimmed through it; but as I noted earlier, when that article & document were published, several of the items you‘re refuting now were not yet known/confirmed at that time. That’s an important distinction to acknowledge if you’re criticizing its contents two months later.

I thought you were asking about the document’s purpose. If your intention with posting it is just to politicize the virus or assign blame, your same points were debated endlessly on here already in multiple other threads. With regard to your very first comment about this document (or Trump) being responsible for the term "Chinese Virus", I’ll leave you with this media montage from the very early days ... long before that document was probably thought necessary.

Motherthing did you actually look at the video? They were calling it the Wuhan coronavirus, not Chinese Virus. And in almost all the cases where it was referred to as chinese coronavirus it was in reference to Trump calling it this. No matter who called it that, that was not it's official name and I think we are all on the same page about that : )

 

[the_mother_thing]

Motherthing did you actually look at the video? They were calling it the Wuhan coronavirus, not Chinese Virus. And in almost all the cases where it was referred to as chinese coronavirus it was in reference to Trump calling it this. No matter who called it that, that was not it's official name and I think we are all on the same page about that : )

Yea, I posted it. Did you watch the entire video? It’s all MSM references to the virus - the first half is “Wuhan” references; the second half are MSM referencing it as “Chinese virus”, and they are not talking about Trump calling it that. They all called it that in the early days of COVID. The whole reason it was compiled was in response to those same outlets calling Trump and others out for calling it Chinese/Wuhan virus.

 

[Karl_K]

ha outside of the net 90% of people around me are calling it the china virus interchangeably with covid and they are all over the place politicaly.

 

[partgypsy]

Def not where I live.

 

[voce]

Definitely not where I live, either, is this terminology used.

I don't get why TMT repeatedly brings up the fact that so and so are not the only ones who use a racist terminology. Logically, that's not a valid defense. Oh look, the KKK isn't the only group to call black Americans the N word, so it must be OK for anyone and everyone to refer to black Americans by the N word. (*cough cough* sarcasm)

LOL so glad I'm not living in that fantasy world where logic and facts can be twisted in order to defend a particular individual or a particular ideology by all means necessary.

 

[GliderPoss]

I've never heard of it referred to as such here in Oz although I'm confident everyone believes it did originate in China (Wuhan) despite their efforts to the contrary. The CCP cover up efforts in the early weeks/months and pathetic response from WHO have not helped their credibility...

 

[qubitasaurus]

That is nothing short of extremely offensive. I am glad it is not wide spread everywhere.

Given that the Chinese have sent aid internationally including doctors, ventilators and PPE to many places since this started from Italy to New York (when Trump himself forced the states to bid against each other for them. China sent them to New York for free.).

Given also the claims that Trump has been asking Xi Jin Ping to help him get re-elected at events like the G20 summit (yet again).

That ceratinly looks like the most atrocious back stabbing I've seen in a while.... I sincerely hope it is not true,

 

[Dancing Fire]

Given that the Chinese have sent aid internationally including doctors, ventilators and PPE to many places since this started from Italy to New York (when Trump himself forced the states to bid against each other for them. China sent them to New York for free.).

really?..

China Covered Up Coronavirus To Hoard Medical Supplies, DHS Report Finds

The report by the Department of Homeland Security, seen by the Associated Press, concluded that China downplayed how serious the novel coronavirus outbreak was, in order to import more medical supplies and export less.

www.forbes.com

https://www.newsweek.com/dhs-report-accuses-china-intentionally-concealing-severity-coronavirus-outbreak-hoard-1501678

And then they try to sell us their chinese made crap...

California's $1-billion masks deal with Chinese automaker faces uncertainty. Here's why

Federal regulators denied BYD certification after a visit to its factories in China and a review of the project's documents.

www.latimes.com

 

[MaisOuiMadame]

I haven't heard this term IRL.

It sounds very very odd in French and German. Boorish and old fashioned and would make the person who uses it sound very uneducated, racist and a little dim overall, luckily.


ETA:

I believe my son's conspiracy theorist - flat earther tennis coach calls it "that Virus" , so even he wouldn't say " Chinese Virus".

I do believe that it sadly does further racism against Asian Americans.

 

[qubitasaurus]

really?..

China Covered Up Coronavirus To Hoard Medical Supplies, DHS Report Finds

The report by the Department of Homeland Security, seen by the Associated Press, concluded that China downplayed how serious the novel coronavirus outbreak was, in order to import more medical supplies and export less.

www.forbes.com

https://www.newsweek.com/dhs-report-accuses-china-intentionally-concealing-severity-coronavirus-outbreak-hoard-1501678

And then they try to sell us their chinese made crap...

California's $1-billion masks deal with Chinese automaker faces uncertainty. Here's why

Federal regulators denied BYD certification after a visit to its factories in China and a review of the project's documents.

www.latimes.com

Yes really

China delivers ventilators to New York when they were running out

https://time.com/5815687/cuomo-ventilators-china-coronavirus/


China sends personal protective gear and teams of doctors who had experience caring for covid patients to Italy and Spain during the height of their pandemic

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/coronavirus-china-sends-medical-aid-to-spain-and-italy

(this is singaporean govermental news broadcaster). I could go on China has sent a lot of aid over the last few months.

Trump getting the states to bid against each other for ventilators [1,2]. The fedral goverment has also been raiding US hospitals seizing their coronavirus supplies for redistribution under their centralized bidding system. There is no shortage of articles about this stuff.

Edit sorry I forgot one the claims that Trump has asked the chinese to get him re-elected. Honestly these are more tensous as they are not linked to an event that you can document but rather to someone's assertions. It only really came to mind because it has been in the media so much recently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-asked-chinas-xi-to-help-him-win-reelection-according-to-bolton-book/2020/06/17/d4ea601c-ad7a-11ea-868b-93d63cd833b2_story.html

'Trump asked China to help him get re-elected'

WASHINGTON • In a withering behind-the-scenes portrayal, US President Donald Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton has accused him of sweeping misdeeds that included explicitly seeking Chinese President Xi Jinping's help to win re-election. Read more at straitstimes.com. Read...

www.straitstimes.com

 

[House Cat]

I’ve only heard Trump use this term.

 

[Tekate]

Not where I live in Austin TEXAS, we say Covid-19, or coronavirus, you may live in a highly trump area.

ha outside of the net 90% of people around me are calling it the china virus interchangeably with covid and they are all over the place politicaly.

 

[Karl_K]

Not where I live in Austin TEXAS, we say Covid-19, or coronavirus, you may live in a highly trump area.

my area went majority Hillary in 2016.
Maybe they just dont like hiding facts to be PC.
Not calling it the china virus does not change the fact it came from china and they lied about it and covered it up with the help of who.

 

[Asscherhalo_lover]

In NYC it's "the Rona"

 

[AGBF]

my area went majority Hillary in 2016.
Maybe they just dont like hiding facts to be PC.
Not calling it the china virus does not change the fact it came from china and they lied about it and covered it up with the help of who.

And maybe that it came from China and so forth is immaterial. I wonder if the real reason the people who are calling it "The China Virus" is that they haven't learned the name "covid19" yet. It took me a week or so to do so. I was calling it "the coronavirus" at first.

I don't mean Trump. He is using the term deliberately. I mean your neighbors, Karl.

 

[Karl_K]

And maybe that it came from China and so forth is immaterial. I wonder if the real reason the people who are calling it "The China Virus" is that they haven't learned the name "covid19" yet. It took me a week or so to do so. I was calling it "the coronavirus" at first.

I don't mean Trump. He is using the term deliberately. I mean your neighbors, Karl.

wow now everyone who lives around me is ignorant.
The reason is its the truth as much as some want to twist the truth to protect china it is on them.

 

[voce]

my area went majority Hillary in 2016.
Maybe they just dont like hiding facts to be PC.
Not calling it the china virus does not change the fact it came from china and they lied about it and covered it up with the help of who.

This is not about PC or not PC. COVID-19 is simply a better name.

Imagine if we have another virus originating in China. What will you call it then, China virus 1 and China virus 2? Wouldn't you confuse yourselves with improper terminology?

Would you like to go back to calling syphilis the American disease because it originated in the Americas?

 

[Karl_K]

The virus could have been much worse and the next one just might be and China has proven they can not be trusted. So why hide the facts?