Challenge - Find Me A Diamond...

[dssxxxx]

I hope I can ask this on the forum.

I am completely confused about getting another diamond. Some I look at.........are great "to me" but to others on the forum, are lousy diamonds. The novice always gets taken for a ride.

Here is the challenge.

Find me a diamond - round and/or radiant - around 5.0 cwt. or above - that is acceptable to everyone on the forum - in the price range of $80K - $105K. I know that there will be a lot of questions, but something that to the eye is a great diamond. I don''t care if the report says.....mediocre....but, when you look at it...........it jumps out at you and screams....gorgeous.

Now we will see, if you can go a better job of searching than myself..............

I will talk to the dealer or company that handles the diamonds and get photo''s/video''s, etc. If close enough, I will go look at in person. For this kind of money, it''s worth it to me to look at the piece personally (with the wife).

Thanks and please don''t ask a lot of questions, that I probably can''t answer. Just a nice looking stone, that will turn heads.

 

[JulieN]

If it is a round, I might ask Jon at GOG if there are any Solasferas that fit your requirements.

 

[emeraldlover1]

There are so many vendors here that would be more than willing to help you. Why not give a few a call and see what they have?

 

[yssie]

The problem is that there aren't many well-cut diamonds in that size - more money in leaving just those few extra tenths of a carat and going to the next "size-point", and a vastly smaller market than for 1cts to begin with.


I can think of two options:

1. Contact some of the PS vendors specializing in H&A, and have them see what they can find - I don't see anything on the websites, but they have resources that the public doesn't (I really, really recommend contacting some of them!). Alternatively, if you can wait, they might find rough that can be cut to your specs - this is, of course, a gamble...

2. Buy a regular ol' nicely numbered stone from some huge virtual repository like BN, take it to be independently appraised within the 30-day return and get the images then, and see if you like it.

I'm talking strictly RBs - finding a radiant in that size that you like is even tougher since they really can't be analyzed by numbers - you really need someone to inspect each stone, if you can't see them yourself.

-4.66 H VS2 http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-4-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01616243
-5.02 I VS2 - 60/60 geared more towards brilliance than fire, but could be nice
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-5-carat-very-good-cut-i-color-vs2-clarity_LD01465802

 

[Dreamer_D]

Diamonds of that size are typically not carried as in house diamonds, so we can''t really find it for you. You really need to call some vendors -- I suggect GOG and WF and BGD -- and then ask them to find you some contenders. For that money I think the vendor should work a little for YOU.

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 12/16/2009 8:27:57 PM
Author: yssie


2. Buy a regular ol' nicely numbered stone from some huge virtual repository like BN, take it to be independently appraised within the 30-day return and get the images then, and see if you like it.

Following this out, I'm thinking this one instead...

Edited to add...as a first step...you could first follow out some of the other suggestions here, identify a vendor of preferred choice (some are recommended here already), and see if they can get this particular diamond in for you, ideally at a price about the same. Then...use the benefit of their analysis to see if it is a good buy, perhaps in advance of shopping your own appraiser.

 

[dssxxxx]

Ira,

I like the diamond you selected.

On the Fluorescence...........Strong Blue. What does that really mean to "faint" or "none"?

Thanks.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/17/2009 8:26:15 AM
Author: dssxxxx
Ira,

I like the diamond you selected.

On the Fluorescence...........Strong Blue. What does that really mean to 'faint' or 'none'?

Thanks.

That could be a great diamond Ira selected, strong blue is literally stronger to faint or none, in rare cases strong or very strong can cause a stone to look cloudy in some lights but this is unusual. Also strong blue can manifest in showing a bluish glow in some lighting conditions which some, myself included, find very attractive in a diamond but this is down to personal preference.

Read more here concerning fluorescence.

 

[dssxxxx]

Author: yssie
in that size - more money in leaving just those few extra tenths of a carat and going to the next ''size-point'', and a vastly
-4.66 H VS2 http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-4-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01616243
-5.02 I VS2 - 60/60 geared more towards brilliance than fire, but could be nice
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-5-carat-very-good-cut-i-color-vs2-clarity_LD01465802

Yssie,

I like the 2 you selected but not having GIA, but AGS and AGSL as reports, does this take a little away from each diamond? Why would they not get a GIA report? Does AGS and AGSL give a "more favorable" report" compared to GIA??

I have been trying to limit myself to looking at pieces that are only GIA....am I wrong to "throw out" any others?

Thank you very much.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/17/2009 8:38:51 AM
Author: dssxxxx

Author: yssie
in that size - more money in leaving just those few extra tenths of a carat and going to the next 'size-point', and a vastly
-4.66 H VS2 http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-4-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01616243
-5.02 I VS2 - 60/60 geared more towards brilliance than fire, but could be nice
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-5-carat-very-good-cut-i-color-vs2-clarity_LD01465802

Yssie,

I like the 2 you selected but not having GIA, but AGS and AGSL as reports, does this take a little away from each diamond? Why would they not get a GIA report? Does AGS and AGSL give a 'more favorable' report' compared to GIA??

I have been trying to limit myself to looking at pieces that are only GIA....am I wrong to 'throw out' any others?

Thank you very much.

AGS is on par with GIA for lab grading, in fact, some prefer AGS cut grading to GIA. Particularly the first diamond Yssie chose could be a great pick.

 

[Rockdiamond]

HI all!

dssxxx- GIA and AGSL are on the same level in terms of dealer recognition. You can take the AGSL grade to the bank, just like GIA.

Your question is basically unanswerable, as you''re asking us to find a stone everyone will agree on.
That''s like trying to get 100 people to agree on vanilla or chocolate. It''s not going to happen.


There ARE many really well cut five carat diamonds on the market btw.
Remember, it takes HUGE financial strength to be a diamond cutter. You need millions on ready cash to buy the rough.
Bad decisions- such as cutting badly made 5 carat stones to sell to buyers looking for GIA EX cut grades ( or AGSL 0), WILL put you out of business pretty fast.
A really well cut 4.95 is far easier to sell as compared to an ugly 5.00ct. Plus, stones that almost make that barrier are priced accordingly.
In other words, a 4.95ct G/VS1 commands a much higher price compared to a 4.00ct G/VS1 of equal cut quality.

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 12/17/2009 9:02:52 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 12/17/2009 8:38:51 AM
Author: dssxxxx

Author: yssie
in that size - more money in leaving just those few extra tenths of a carat and going to the next 'size-point', and a vastly
-4.66 H VS2 http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-4-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01616243
-5.02 I VS2 - 60/60 geared more towards brilliance than fire, but could be nice
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-5-carat-very-good-cut-i-color-vs2-clarity_LD01465802

Yssie,

I like the 2 you selected but not having GIA, but AGS and AGSL as reports, does this take a little away from each diamond? Why would they not get a GIA report? Does AGS and AGSL give a 'more favorable' report' compared to GIA??

I have been trying to limit myself to looking at pieces that are only GIA....am I wrong to 'throw out' any others?

Thank you very much.

AGS is on par with GIA for lab grading, in fact, some prefer AGS cut grading to GIA. Particularly the first diamond Yssie chose could be a great pick.

Agree with Lorelei. Really, ideally, you'd engage with a dealer (who will also get you reflector images) to a) find one him or herself, b) call in these 2 specified above, and c) help you choose between the 3. I would generally choose AGS with a light performance grade over GIA, all else being equal, without question.