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(This version of the Jan 22 story was officially corrected to clarify that CDC director was referring to historical vaccination trends and not deaths from the current flu season in paragraphs 1 and 4)

By Julie Steenhuysen
















CHICAGO (Reuters) - Of the 30 U.S. children who have died from the flu so far this season, some
85 percent likely will not have been vaccinated, said Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, who urged Americans to get flu shots amid one of the most severe flu seasons in yea

“My message is, if you haven’t gotten a vaccine, please get a vaccine. Also, please get your children vaccinated,” said Fitzgerald, who is urging citizens “to take every advantage that you can to protect yourself.”

The dominant strain during this flu season is an especially nasty type called influenza A (H3N2) that in seasons past has been linked with severe disease and death, especially in the elderly and young. This year’s seasonal flu epidemic is especially severe.


In past flu seasons, between 80 and 85 percent of children who have died from the flu had not gotten a flu vaccine that season, the agency said in an email.

In its latest report, the CDC said the virus is present in every state, with 32 states reporting severe flu activity.

Although the vaccine is only estimated to be about 30 percent effective against the H3N2 strain, it has been shown in studies to reduce severity and duration if people do become infected, said Dr. Dan Jernigan, director of the influenza division at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Emergency room nurse Christine Bauer treats Joshua Lagade of Vista, California, for the flu as his girlfriend Mayra Mora looks on in the emergency room at Palomar Medical Center in Escondido, California, U.S., January 18, 2018. REUTERS/Mike Blake
Fitzgerald conceded in a telephone interview that reports that the flu vaccine in Australia was only 10 percent effective may have caused people to think the vaccine would not be worth the trouble.

Fitzgerald said the agency’s flu division has been on the job during the three-day federal government shutdown. Senators on Monday reached a deal to keep the government funded through Feb. 8.

Studies have shown that even a vaccine that has lower overall effectiveness can decrease the number of days spent in hospital, duration of the flu and the degree of symptoms.

“That helps support the point of getting a vaccine,” Jernigan said.

Fitzgerald said the flu vaccine and antiviral drugs used to fight the flu are widely available across the country, noting that people can go to the CDC website and enter their zip code to find the nearest flu clinics with vaccines. (here)

Fitzgerald also recommended that people frequently wash their hands or use hand sanitizer, avoid those who are sick or coughing and carry disinfectant wipes.

The CDC does not have numbers for adult deaths from the flu because adult flu is not a reportable disease in all U.S. states. But she said North Carolina, which collects such data, has reported 42 adult flu deaths so far this season.

Official estimates from the CDC are expected at the end of the current season, based on a calculation from hospitals and states reporting data to the agency.

In the 2014/2015 flu season, in which the H3N2 strain was also the leading strain, there were an estimated 35.6 million cases, 710,000 hospitalizations and 56,000 deaths. At this point, it is not clear whether the current flu season will surpass those estimates, Jernigan said.

Reporting by Julie Steenhuysen; Editing by Cynthia Osterman

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When I went to see my doctor for a routine visit a few days ago the women at the desk told me a ten year-old boy in a neighboring town had died of the 'flu that day. It seemed unbelievable to me. Of course I know that extremely ill people with underlying conditions can get 'flu and die. My father died just last year. Although he was always vaccinated against 'flu, I never thought that when he was extremely old and fragile that the vaccinations totally protected him against any illness. But no one intimated that this child who died was anything but healthy and young. I found it terribly shocking.

We were all vaccinated in October. A vaccination is never 100% protection. Sometimes 'flu strains change. Sometimes one gets the 'flu, but more mildly, despite having had a vaccination against the correct strain. But getting a vaccination is better than doing nothing.

AGBF
 
I don't usually get the flu vaccine, not for any particular reason than laziness. I was getting vaccines for my asia trip and they suggested the flu vaccine. I am SO glad we both got it. It has been so nasty this year.
 
When I went to see my doctor for a routine visit a few days ago the women at the desk told me a ten year-old boy in a neighboring town had died of the 'flu that day. It seemed unbelievable to me. Of course I know that extremely ill people with underlying conditions can get 'flu and die. My father died just last year. Although he was always vaccinated against 'flu, I never thought that when he was extremely old and fragile that the vaccinations totally protected him against any illness. But no one intimated that this child who died was anything but healthy and young. I found it terribly shocking.

We were all vaccinated in October. A vaccination is never 100% protection. Sometimes 'flu strains change. Sometimes one gets the 'flu, but more mildly, despite having had a vaccination against the correct strain. But getting a vaccination is better than doing nothing.

AGBF

I agree. People don't understand that even 10-34% effective makes a difference. Yes, the flu is killing HEALTHY children this year.

My son's friend's mom didn't get the shot because it was only 10% effective (Well, first off, that is the stat from Australia, not the US) and she had it for well over 7 days (with tamiflu).

i had the shot in September and still got it, but I was only truly miserable for 1 day and I would say down for 3-4 days (took tamiflu).
 
They can keep mine, I haven't gotten a shot, any shot in 18 years.
 
I got the flu shot this year and still caught the flu. I was in bed for two days - it would have been three but this was during the holidays, and one was a travel day. It was definitely the flu, but fortunately fairly mild.
 
Ugh. I don't usually get a shot and I'm 10 weeks pregnant. I don't really want to get it in first tri but I REALLY don't want to get the flu.
 
I'm knocking on wood here, but I think my extreme hermit-ism this year has helped. It is dead boring though. I only go out around people when absolutely necessary. I will take my 10% chance of effectiveness too. I'm on heavy duty chemo drugs and can't afford to either get sick, or miss an infusion. Maybe it helps that it's so cold out too. In general that means less people everywhere.
 
Well, I got the flu during the 2014-15 season, when, as stated above, the H3N2 strain was the leading strain. I had the shot that year, and I suspect it was why my course was fairly mild, with a shorter duration. Hopefully, I won't get it this year, but if I do, maybe the having it in 2015 and had the shot this year, will result in another mild course.

Naturally, I would much prefer to not test that theory.
 
I had my second flu shot of my life this winter.

I wonder if flu deaths are happening bc people are not getting to see a doctor soon enough...

I also have noticed that I don't get sick as often since I started working from home in 2013. The worst I get hit with are cold viruses. When we worked in the office people kept coming in sick!
 
They gave me one in the hospital yesterday morning and now today my joints ache and my body feels like crap.
 
I'm knocking on wood here, but I think my extreme hermit-ism this year has helped. It is dead boring though. I only go out around people when absolutely necessary. I will take my 10% chance of effectiveness too. I'm on heavy duty chemo drugs and can't afford to either get sick, or miss an infusion. Maybe it helps that it's so cold out too. In general that means less people everywhere.

It may suck but I'm glad you're being a hermit. You don't need flu on top of chemo, though my sister...(she's a social butterfly) ended up with just that. Week in the hospital and she's particularly lucky thats all that happened.

@PintoBean I think many of us who don't work around people do tend to stay healthier. My germs usually come from the gym:lol-2: But I also try to go early enough that I'm not around a lot of people if I can manage that (or late at night, its a 24-hour place)
 
Never had one in my life. haven't caught the flu in over 30 yrs..:praise:

Well you are doing something right apparently DF! I've had two pregnancies and with both they were pushing me to get a flu shot, get a pertussis shot, this that and the other, no thanks. Other than that they don't bother me about them.
 
Never had one and never will.
 
Well you are doing something right apparently DF! I've had two pregnancies and with both they were pushing me to get a flu shot, get a pertussis shot, this that and the other, no thanks. Other than that they don't bother me about them.

Just to clarify: they ask pregnant women to check their immunization in order to protect the newborn.
Pertussis and the flu are especially dangerous for newborns (well, they are generally more at risk in the first few years). You don't give them the shots before a couple of months (varies from country to country. Germany 6 months, France 4 months, for instance), so one tries to make sure the family is immunized to protect the baby ( herd immunization).

Man was I relieved we had JUST checked all this, earlier last year. A friend of MIL showed up at their house sick while DH was there. Turns out she had pertussis. Our last baby was 3 months old at the time and DH had just had his shot - urged by our pediatrician.
Otherwise I'd have booked a hotel room for him upon his return
 
Uugh. @kipari

And let's not forget all of these obsolete diseases are coming back because some people are generally against vaccinations now.

There was a measles scare at the Chicago about two weeks ago....
 
Uugh. @kipari

And let's not forget all of these obsolete diseases are coming back because some people are generally against vaccinations now.

There was a measles scare at the Chicago about two weeks ago....

First of all @kipari, whew thank goodness that situation turned out A OK. What a scare.

Second of all yes to @whitewave's post above. It is a dangerous slippery slope.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm

What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations?

A final example: what could happen.

We know that a disease that is apparently under control can suddenly return, because we have seen it happen, in countries like Japan, Australia, and Sweden. Here is an example from Japan.

In 1974, about 80% of Japanese children were getting pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine. That year there were only 393 cases of whooping cough in the entire country, and not a single pertussis-related death. Then immunization rates began to drop, until only about 10% of children were being vaccinated. In 1979, more than 13,000 people got whooping cough and 41 died. When routine vaccination was resumed, the disease numbers dropped again.

The chances of your child getting a case of measles or chickenpox or whooping cough might be quite low today. But vaccinations are not just for protecting ourselves, and are not just for today. They also protect the people around us (some of whom may be unable to get certain vaccines, or might have failed to respond to a vaccine, or might be susceptible for other reasons). And they also protect our children’s children and their children by keeping diseases that we have almost defeated from making a comeback.

What would happen if we stopped vaccinations? We could soon find ourselves battling epidemics of diseases we thought we had conquered decades ago.
 
When I was pregnant I got my flu shot and TDAP when I was around 28 weeks, everyone my son would be in contact with before he could get his had to have it or they couldn't visit. He was a January baby although I would do it again at anytime during the year.
 
@daintyG how is it going keeping everyone away from the baby?
 
@daintyG how is it going keeping everyone away from the baby?

Just fine! We are still not allowing visitors except close family and a few friends we have secretly invited. People understand because the flu is bad everywhere. I don’t really go anywhere, but if I do, I don’t bring baby, and I change and shower when I come home.
 
Also in the last major swine flu epidemic, pregnant women were disproportionately affected and there were many women who were critically ill or died. It’s not just about the baby.
 
I have had the flu very few times in my life. I have had a flu shot once or twice but I will not get another. At one point, doctors were saying that this shot was only 10% effective, now it is back up to 30% effective. They used to tell you in previous years that if you didn't get it by early December it was pointless to get it. Now, they are urging you to still get it. Maybe things have changed and maybe they just want to sell more vaccines.

If they want more people to get it, they should take out the thermisol and formaldehyde and the polysorbate. I don't want to inject that stuff into my body. Just my personal conviction and I realize others feel quite differently. I also realize that many people feel they should get it and it saves lives. I am not convinced, but I would respect all those who feel it is an absolute must for them. I will be really glad when flu season is over this year. I have noticed that the people that have died have been both people who got the shot, and also those who didn't.
 
Every single season that we have gotten flu shots we've gotten the flu. And it's the strain not covered by the shot. I really think it's hit or miss.
 
I've only gotten the flu the year I didn't get vaccinated. Even if it's 30% effective, it's still better than nothing. Some people are very healthy or very lucky not to come into contact with enough sick people to get infected even without vaccination.

It does help to stay away from crowded places when transmission rates are high. I haven't taken my kids to any museums, malls, indoor play spaces, etc since mid December when flu started spreading in the Northeast. We did go to one birthday party but thankfully only ended up with mild colds afterwards.

The latest statistics for this season are that 80% of deaths are in unvaccinated.
 
I have had the flu very few times in my life. I have had a flu shot once or twice but I will not get another. At one point, doctors were saying that this shot was only 10% effective, now it is back up to 30% effective. They used to tell you in previous years that if you didn't get it by early December it was pointless to get it. Now, they are urging you to still get it. Maybe things have changed and maybe they just want to sell more vaccines.

If they want more people to get it, they should take out the thermisol and formaldehyde and the polysorbate. I don't want to inject that stuff into my body. Just my personal conviction and I realize others feel quite differently. I also realize that many people feel they should get it and it saves lives. I am not convinced, but I would respect all those who feel it is an absolute must for them. I will be really glad when flu season is over this year. I have noticed that the people that have died have been both people who got the shot, and also those who didn't.
You are misinformed on the thimerosal and formaldehyde in flu vaccine. It has been taken out of all available single dose prefilled syringes. For example, the quad shot Flucelvax I received back in October does not contain either ingredient.

Unless you have Crohn's disease, polysorbate is not harmful, especially in the dose in vaccine. Besides, you likely eat quite a lot of polysorbate anyway as it's included in a lot of packaged food. Is anyone refusing to put ice cream that contains polysorbate in their body ?
 
I know the anti-vaccine crowd gets a lot of heat in an outbreak but consider this. My son was vaccinated with his MMR shot and got breakthrough measles that I was advised by a doctor could have been spread to others. I was not told this until years later, so other people could have been infected from him, so it is not always the unvaccinated.

@baby monster, it is my understanding that delivery method is a consideration, so something that is injected will have a very different effect on the body than something ingested. Also how many people are aware of the potential health effects from Polysorbate80? So many do not read labels, I got pickles last year that had it in them and immediately threw them out. We may not have Crohns (my brother does) but there is no need to ingest that.
 
There’s research to suggest that the flu vaccine efficacy is cumulative as well, so those who are vaccinated every year have significantly higher immunity than those who don’t. Plus, if you get achy and sick feeling post-shot, that’s not the flu (the vaccines are not live, and cannot infect you) - it’s your immune response building the antibodies needed for immunity. So the stronger your response, the better chance you have of immunity. It sucks. I get a giant red welt and aches every year. But I haven’t had the flu in 14 years while my stubbornly unvaccinated husband has had the flu multiple times in that timeframe (and has done his best to infect me along with him if were being honest).

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002024.htm

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/in-depth/flu-shots/art-20048000?pg=2

The sad thing is that those who need it the most (children, the elderly, those with autoimmune disorders or weakened immune systems) often won’t have a sufficient immune response, even with vaccination. It’s why herd immunity (relying on everyone to be vaccinated) is so crucial.

I’m also not sure why anyone would accuse doctors of wanting to make more money by advocating that people get vaccinated. Doctors don’t earn anything from either the prescriptions they write or the vaccinations they recommend. Nothing. It’s against the code of ethics. That’s why pharmacies exist.
 
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I know the anti-vaccine crowd gets a lot of heat in an outbreak but consider this. My son was vaccinated with his MMR shot and got breakthrough measles that I was advised by a doctor could have been spread to others. I was not told this until years later, so other people could have been infected from him, so it is not always the unvaccinated.

They deserve it. MMR is a weakened live vaccine, so those with weakened immune systems can sometimes get sick. It’s typically a much milder form, and immunity still occurs after. He wouldn’t have been a risk to people who were vaccinated (which would have been the majority of the population at some point), and I’m presuming that he also wasn’t running around in public while he was acutely sick (the time of greatest contagion). You know, seatbelts cause injuries too. So do airbags. But no one argues that we shouldn’t use them. Because the relative risk is still so much lower than the risk of *not* using them. It’s the equivalent of being ejected through the windshield resulting in life threatening polytraumatic injuries, vs a broken sternum. But when we talk about vaccinations, suddenly the minor risks get given huge weight over the risks associated with *not* vaccinating. For many these preventable illnesses can cause death, deafness, encephalitis (which causes irreversible brain damage), testicular inflammation, sterility....
 
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