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sniggity

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Hello all,
I''m very glad i have found this forum. Since I found it i have been reading all the great information already posted. Think I might get into trouble at work soon.

My situation is im looking for a princess cut diamond around:
>$4000
.85-1.0 karat
Ideal Cut
G-I color
and better then SI

I have found a few stones in my budget but would love others opinions. My site of interest had been bluenile, but without actual images and detailed info makes it less interesting.


1.0 G VS1 Ideal Princess

1.01 H VVS2 Premium Princess

Any help would be appreciated, I plan to propose in 2 weeks.
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Welcome! I prefer the first one from the photos. The second looks like it has a bit of leakage under the table. Ask JA for an Idealscope image from the first - it could be a winner!

Also, an eye-clean SI1 from a trusted vendor (like JA) could save you a bit of money, and it will look identical to a VS, VVS, or even IF.
 
Hi sniggity, welcome to Pricescope.

You are off to a good start with understanding that the sites that provide more info are better places to shop. As far as your specs, like jstar, I would encourage you to consider SI clarities if you are working with a vendor who can confirm eye clean--some of the best values are found in this clarity range.

Of the two diamonds you linked, I agree that the first may have possibilities, you can as James Allen for an Idealscope image and post it here. I would pass on the second.
 
Thanks for the responses.

Im awaiting the detailed spec sheet and images as we speak.

Should i be concerned about the inclusion stated in the GIA report (for choice 1)? says that there is a pinpoint crystal inclusion?
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Also found this one on Bluenile...comes with GCAL and GIA report. What do ya think?


Price: $3,756
Carat weight: 0.88
Cut: Signature Ideal
Color: H
Clarity: VS1
Depth %: 63.4%
Table %: 71%
Symmetry: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Girdle: Very thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 5.46 x 5.24 x 3.32 mm
Crown height: 10.3%
 
Not liking the BN Signature. If you read the GCAL report, it never mention that the princess is an ideal due to cut performance, just the standard dimension guidelines. I prefer the AGS0 stone I linked to previously, at least that is based on cut performance.
 
Date: 6/23/2009 8:14:39 PM
Author: sniggity
Should i be concerned about the inclusion stated in the GIA report (for choice 1)? says that there is a pinpoint crystal inclusion?
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Not at VS1 clarity. It will be tiny, pretty much guaranteed eye-clean, and won''t affect performance.

Ditto Stone-cold on the Signature one. Not enough info to tell if it''s a winner (and don''t pay attention to the vendor''s label of "ideal"). SC''s suggestion looks nice, but I''d rather see photos than buy a princess unseen. Could you see if James Allen can access that diamond and consider getting it from them instead of BN?
 
Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:37 PM
Author: jstarfireb


Date: 6/23/2009 8:14:39 PM
Author: sniggity
Should i be concerned about the inclusion stated in the GIA report (for choice 1)? says that there is a pinpoint crystal inclusion?
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Not at VS1 clarity. It will be tiny, pretty much guaranteed eye-clean, and won't affect performance.

Ditto Stone-cold on the Signature one. Not enough info to tell if it's a winner (and don't pay attention to the vendor's label of 'ideal'). SC's suggestion looks nice, but I'd rather see photos than buy a princess unseen. Could you see if James Allen can access that diamond and consider getting it from them instead of BN?
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Ditto. Even with AGS0 Princess, it might get you into the ballpark of well cut Princess but still so much info we are missing without photographs at least, it is really buying blind without images. Princess are just too variable to purchase without photographs at minimum.
 
Date: 6/24/2009 5:31:08 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:37 PM
Author: jstarfireb

Date: 6/23/2009 8:14:39 PM
Author: sniggity
Should i be concerned about the inclusion stated in the GIA report (for choice 1)? says that there is a pinpoint crystal inclusion?
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Not at VS1 clarity. It will be tiny, pretty much guaranteed eye-clean, and won''t affect performance.

Ditto Stone-cold on the Signature one. Not enough info to tell if it''s a winner (and don''t pay attention to the vendor''s label of ''ideal''). SC''s suggestion looks nice, but I''d rather see photos than buy a princess unseen. Could you see if James Allen can access that diamond and consider getting it from them instead of BN?
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Ditto. Even with AGS0 Princess, it might get you into the ballpark of well cut Princess but still so much info we are missing without photographs at least, it is really buying blind without images. Princess are just too variable to purchase without photographs at minimum.
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Good advice from Lorelei and Stone-cold.

I also find it unfortunate that AGS''s grade does not cover scintillation yet.

Live long,
 
My first suggestion stone has already been sold.

Thank you stone cold for the suggestion. I have requested some more pictures from BN, but i dont think they will supply much more information.

I''ve been up all night researching and searching whats for sale.

What are your thoughts on this 1.01 Carat I-VS2 Ideal

I like James Allen because of reputation given from this site, as well as there pricing seems fair.

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It looks like a nice Princess actually, ask JA for an Idealscope image and to check that the very thin part of the girdle isn''t a potential durability issue, this isn''t always the case but prudent to check.
 
Date: 6/24/2009 8:30:38 AM
Author: sniggity
My first suggestion stone has already been sold.

Thank you stone cold for the suggestion. I have requested some more pictures from BN, but i dont think they will supply much more information.

I''ve been up all night researching and searching whats for sale.

What are your thoughts on this 1.01 Carat I-VS2 Ideal

I like James Allen because of reputation given from this site, as well as there pricing seems fair.

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Did JA tell you it was sold or are you basing that on the "no longer available" on the website? If you requested IS images, they will mark the stone as not available in order to hold it until 24 hours after the images are taken and sent to you.
 
Date: 6/24/2009 9:01:24 AM
Author: jet2ks

Date: 6/24/2009 8:30:38 AM
Author: sniggity
My first suggestion stone has already been sold.

Thank you stone cold for the suggestion. I have requested some more pictures from BN, but i dont think they will supply much more information.

I''ve been up all night researching and searching whats for sale.

What are your thoughts on this 1.01 Carat I-VS2 Ideal

I like James Allen because of reputation given from this site, as well as there pricing seems fair.

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Did JA tell you it was sold or are you basing that on the ''no longer available'' on the website? If you requested IS images, they will mark the stone as not available in order to hold it until 24 hours after the images are taken and sent to you.
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Good point
 
Damn!!!
I''m such a newb.
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They are holding the first diamond and now i requested they hold the 1.01 I-VS2 aswell.
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Should be getting the images today.
 
Date: 6/24/2009 9:33:23 AM
Author: sniggity
Damn!!!
I''m such a newb.
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They are holding the first diamond and now i requested they hold the 1.01 I-VS2 aswell.
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Should be getting the images today.
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I didn''t even think of it so don''t worry, t''was the Jetskis! Post the images when you have them then we can take a look.
 
It's OK, we routinely see people freak out because a diamond was sold out from under them, only to find out it was on hold in their name the whole time.
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Maybe JA needs to do a better job of communicating that process to customers. They will do IS for up to three diamonds at no charge, so the two is not a problem and you will have a couple to compare and choose from.
 
Date: 6/24/2009 8:30:38 AM
Author: sniggity
My first suggestion stone has already been sold.

Thank you stone cold for the suggestion. I have requested some more pictures from BN, but i dont think they will supply much more information.

I''ve been up all night researching and searching whats for sale.

What are your thoughts on this 1.01 Carat I-VS2 Ideal

I like James Allen because of reputation given from this site, as well as there pricing seems fair.

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Ideal? With good polish and good symmetry?
 
well, the idealscopes have arrived. Not too thrilled with the results, but ill let you guys decide.

1.01 Carat I-VS2 Ideal Cut Princess Diamond - 1244485.jpg

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And this is for

1.00 Carat G-VS1 Ideal Cut Princess Diamond - 10559646


what do ya guys think?

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The G VS1 is definitely the better of the two and is a pretty nice princess. It has very good corner to corner light return and good overall light return. It is a two chevron as opposed to three for the I and the GOG that stone cold linked, so will be a little more "contrasty". What I mean by that is it will have fewer scintillation and fire events, but they will be larger. A three chevron will have more smaller events. Both are perfectly OK, it is just personal preference.
 
I like that stone you have suggested.
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Only thing that worries me is that the inclusion is right in the middle of the diamonds table. Do you think this will hamper its performance?

pardon my newbiness
 
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Date: 6/26/2009 8:01:32 PM
Author: sniggity
I like that stone you have suggested.
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Only thing that worries me is that the inclusion is right in the middle of the diamonds table. Do you think this will hamper its performance?

pardon my newbiness
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Nay, should not be a problem at VS2. Call up GOG and check, as they will be the best to answer this question, no way to really tell from a image.
 
I think a three chevron is what i should be looking for. I would perform more smaller events as oppose to bigger but fewer.

The fact that the one from GOG is AGS Ideal makes me smile as i know the cut shows to be excellent(my main point in purchase).

Is there any other comments that can be made on the one from GOG?
 
Ditto jet and SC. I would add that the GOG rock is a 3-chevron, so that may be what you want. It's also a very desirable size (just under 1ct, avoids the 1ct price premium but you can still call it 1ct!).

ETA: The J color may show a small amount face-up - just make sure you or the person you're buying for would be comfortable with that. In such a well-cut stone, it's not likely to be very noticeable, but it will be what we refer to as a "warm" color.
 
Date: 6/26/2009 8:00:01 PM
Author: jet2ks
The G VS1 is definitely the better of the two and is a pretty nice princess. It has very good corner to corner light return and good overall light return. It is a two chevron as opposed to three for the I and the GOG that stone cold linked, so will be a little more ''contrasty''. What I mean by that is it will have fewer scintillation and fire events, but they will be larger. A three chevron will have more smaller events. Both are perfectly OK, it is just personal preference.
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Are you sure it''s a 2-chevron? The GIA report shows 3 chevrons, and my understanding was that they were to scale. The chevrons are individually larger in that stone compared to the GOG one, so I think you''d still get the a similar effect as a 2-chevron.
 
Date: 6/26/2009 9:49:55 PM
Author: jstarfireb



Date: 6/26/2009 8:00:01 PM
Author: jet2ks
The G VS1 is definitely the better of the two and is a pretty nice princess. It has very good corner to corner light return and good overall light return. It is a two chevron as opposed to three for the I and the GOG that stone cold linked, so will be a little more 'contrasty'. What I mean by that is it will have fewer scintillation and fire events, but they will be larger. A three chevron will have more smaller events. Both are perfectly OK, it is just personal preference.
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Are you sure it's a 2-chevron? The GIA report shows 3 chevrons, and my understanding was that they were to scale. The chevrons are individually larger in that stone compared to the GOG one, so I think you'd still get the a similar effect as a 2-chevron.
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Looks like a duck. Quacks like a duck.

Sure looks like one. Maybe GIA just uses one image for princess that is a 3 chevron regardless of how the diamond was cut?
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This thread is helpful https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/how-the-number-of-chevron-facets-change-the-character-of-a-princess-cut.53052/

Sniggity, here's a video by Jon at Good Old Gold that shows the differences. (It is from his post near the bottom of the first page of the thread.)

http://www.goodoldgold.com/videos/AGSPr2chev3chev.wmv
 
Date: 6/26/2009 10:06:40 PM
Author: jet2ks
Looks like a duck. Quacks like a duck.

Sure looks like one.
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True dat! Which is why I still would recommend the GOG stone for someone desiring the look of more virtual facets. I''m a 3-chevron kind of gal, for that matter.

I think you''re right about GIA using the same plot regardless of the configuration. Just look at this stone - definitely looks like a 2-chevron from the pics, but still 3 on the plot.
 
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