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MrsT

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Well I''ve established that finding an oval with minimal bowtie by numbers alone is not going to work.
I''m hoping to get some clarification from the knowledgeable folks here on the forum.

Anyone looking for this cut is going to have to rely on the vendor''s expertise,pictures, and how it looks to the eye. An Aset scope photo is helpful if you know what you''re looking for. I''m still not sure what a decent oval should look like under the Aset.

The link below shows the Diamond x-ray of an oval from GOG. What should this photo be telling me?

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2053/

I found a chart of oval diamonds which shows various depths and ratios and what you can expect as far as the bowtie effect. I thought this was great until I realized the info conflicts with AGA''s cut chart for ovals.

I was hoping someone could tell me if this is an accurate guide. Unfortunately I couldn''t print the diagram here is the link:

http://www.drostes.com/oval-depth.html

This article contradicts Accredited Gem Appraisers guidelines for Ideal cut ovals in that an "Ideal" cut oval has a depth of 59.0 -63.0%. Yet in the tutorial above 66 - 68% is better to minimize the bowtie.
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As you can tell, my knowledge is shakey and I''m just trying to be better prepared in making a purchase for this cut.
I want to thank Lorelei for directing me to the AGA charts. However, it''s impossible to find the crown depth for most listed diamonds.

Don''t you wish someone would write an article for ovals showing the relationship of table and depth and bowtie?
Using pictures for people like me that can get easily confused? If any of the experts have done this I hope someone can direct me to the article or tutorial.

Mrs. T
 
Hi MrsT!

Here is some info which may help you with ASET - https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/why-we-prefer-aset-to-ideal-scope-with-fancy-shapes.73949/

I know it is so hard to find an oval which has everything you want, but I think you might be best working with an expert vendor and not worrying so much about the numbers, otherwise difficulties can arise with conflicting info. I would approach it personally by using a vendor I trusted to be my eyes, then along with photos and ASET I would evaluate the diamond, then if the numbers didn't quite match up, I wouldn't worry too much, as the proof of the pudding is whether I loved the diamond or not. It is easier with rounds to predict that a certain set of numbers will result in a lovely diamond, but with fancy shapes the goal posts shift dramatically so to speak! Also concerning the other chart you posted, there are only suggested guidelines for proportions and these can vary as to what is best, so best not to rely on them too much.

As for diamxray, to the best of my knowledge this is Jon's own invention from GOG, he may be able to chime in and explain it.
I am sorry you are having all this trouble! I don't know if there is such a tutorial as you would like regrettably as fancy shapes can be so unpredictable, but you are right, it would make life a lot easier if there was!
 
Thanks again Lorelei! The article is very helpful. Now I understand what the various colors mean!

Yes, I will need to work with a knowledgeable vendor. I just wanted to feel educated before I approach them.

I think ovals are making a come-back. If I''m right, we may see an increase in inquiries about this cut.

Thanks again!
Mrs T
 
Date: 8/5/2008 10:52:10 AM
Author: Mrs.T
Thanks again Lorelei! The article is very helpful. Now I understand what the various colors mean!

Yes, I will need to work with a knowledgeable vendor. I just wanted to feel educated before I approach them.

I think ovals are making a come-back. If I''m right, we may see an increase in inquiries about this cut.

Thanks again!
Mrs T
You are most welcome! I know you will end up with a gorgeous diamond! Knowledge is definitely power so that is great you are doing so much research, it will be time well spent. Personally I adore ovals and it seems we are seeing more and more fancy shape hunters here these days, so I think you are right that ovals could be making a comeback, they can be so beautiful!
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Date: 8/5/2008 10:54:58 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 8/5/2008 10:52:10 AM
Author: Mrs.T
Thanks again Lorelei! The article is very helpful. Now I understand what the various colors mean!

Yes, I will need to work with a knowledgeable vendor. I just wanted to feel educated before I approach them.

I think ovals are making a come-back. If I''m right, we may see an increase in inquiries about this cut.

Thanks again!
Mrs T
You are most welcome! I know you will end up with a gorgeous diamond! Knowledge is definitely power so that is great you are doing so much research, it will be time well spent. Personally I adore ovals and it seems we are seeing more and more fancy shape hunters here these days, so I think you are right that ovals could be making a comeback, they can be so beautiful!
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Ditto!
Lots of good information from Lorelei. With fancy shape diamonds its all about the shape and each diamond is a unique shape and provided that your vendor has sifted out the dogs (e.g. too deep, too shallow, too strong a bow-tie, not visibly symmetrical...etc) then the final choice is often boils down to personal taste. Mind you, I speak as one who sells fancy shapes in person rather than online.

I too love ovals and finally succumbed to a large oval as my right hand-ring. Of course demand varies from vendor to vendor but I can certainly say that I have noticed an increased demand for the oval shape in the past 2-3 years!
 
Date: 8/6/2008 3:12:08 AM
Author: Indira-London

Date: 8/5/2008 10:54:58 AM
Author: Lorelei


Date: 8/5/2008 10:52:10 AM
Author: Mrs.T
Thanks again Lorelei! The article is very helpful. Now I understand what the various colors mean!

Yes, I will need to work with a knowledgeable vendor. I just wanted to feel educated before I approach them.

I think ovals are making a come-back. If I''m right, we may see an increase in inquiries about this cut.

Thanks again!
Mrs T
You are most welcome! I know you will end up with a gorgeous diamond! Knowledge is definitely power so that is great you are doing so much research, it will be time well spent. Personally I adore ovals and it seems we are seeing more and more fancy shape hunters here these days, so I think you are right that ovals could be making a comeback, they can be so beautiful!
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Ditto!
Lots of good information from Lorelei. With fancy shape diamonds its all about the shape and each diamond is a unique shape and provided that your vendor has sifted out the dogs (e.g. too deep, too shallow, too strong a bow-tie, not visibly symmetrical...etc) then the final choice is often boils down to personal taste. Mind you, I speak as one who sells fancy shapes in person rather than online.

I too love ovals and finally succumbed to a large oval as my right hand-ring. Of course demand varies from vendor to vendor but I can certainly say that I have noticed an increased demand for the oval shape in the past 2-3 years!
Thanks Indira!!!

I would LOVE to see some pics of your ring sometime please!!!
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I really thought this chart was interesting and might be helpful to those of us searching for an oval cut.

Is it accurate? I tried to attach the picture and it seems to have worked.
I'm not real savvy with computers.

According to this chart, minimal bowtie is seen in 63 - 65% and slightly less so in 66 -68%. Yet the ideal depth for oval is 59 -63% according to the AGA chart for ovals. I have been overlooking stones with depths greater than 63% but that isn't necessarily the right approach.

Hope an expert can look at this and clear this up for me.

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Date: 8/6/2008 8:17:11 AM
Author: Mrs.T
I really thought this chart was interesting and might be helpful to those of us searching for an oval cut.


Is it accurate? I tried to attach the picture and it seems to have worked.

I''m not real savvy with computers.


According to this chart, minimal bowtie is seen in 63 - 65% and slightly less so in 66 -68%. Yet the ideal depth for oval is 59 -63% according to the AGA chart for ovals. I have been overlooking stones with depths greater than 63% but that isn''t necessarily the right approach.


Hope an expert can look at this and clear this up for me.


Any one know if this chart applies to rectangular radiants also?
 
Date: 8/6/2008 8:17:11 AM
Author: Mrs.T
I really thought this chart was interesting and might be helpful to those of us searching for an oval cut.

Is it accurate? I tried to attach the picture and it seems to have worked.
I''m not real savvy with computers.

According to this chart, minimal bowtie is seen in 63 - 65% and slightly less so in 66 -68%. Yet the ideal depth for oval is 59 -63% according to the AGA chart for ovals. I have been overlooking stones with depths greater than 63% but that isn''t necessarily the right approach.

Hope an expert can look at this and clear this up for me.
My strong advise: To do not use this chart( or similar )
 
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