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BOB FLASHES – HOW DIAMONDS ARE PURCHASED IN THE INDUSTRY AND HOW THAT HAS AN EFFECT ON THE CONSUMER

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BOB'S FLASHES – HOW DIAMONDS ARE PURCHASED IN THE INDUSTRY AND HOW THAT HAS AN EFFECT ON THE CONSUMER

When Mr. Diamond Cutter goes to buy rough diamonds he might get what he wants but he will have to also purchase what he does not want.

Here is the deal. It works for both rough and polished diamonds. The man holding the diamonds has, let’s say 500 round brilliant cut diamonds. Let us also say the diamonds range in size from 4.00 to .50 ct, E to K, VVS1 to I1. Buyer A has $100K to spend and buyer B has $500K to spend. The diamond dealer will not let either of them just pick the preferred material because if he did that, he would be left with the lower quality diamonds. The seller has a huge amount of money wrapped up in those diamonds and he needs to sell all of them equally. If his stock gets off balance with diamonds that are not moving, he is unable to buy more goods. The buyer spending $500K will get a better price and a larger choice than the buyer with $100K.

The buyer spending $500K will have a better price and a larger choice than the buyer with $100K.

Moving on to the next step in the chain. The $500K buyer paid maybe 5% less per carat than the other buyer, therefore he has three choices: he can pass the savings on to who buys from him, he can make more profit and sell at the same price that the other buyer sells his for or he can do a little of each. The volume buyer anywhere has the advantage as long as they can move the goods.

Right now higher quality (D-F, IF-VS1 with fine make) goods are in short supply. 1.25-1.75 carat higher quality goods are in very short supply. Put those numbers into the Pricescope – Search by Cut Quality and you will find FIVE diamonds; two AGS H&A diamonds and three GIA ideal cut diamonds. Very short supply. There is a very big demand for these diamonds and they get sold very quickly. If you put those same numbers into the Pricescope regular round diamonds with ideal table and depth %, you get 256 diamonds. Those are still high quality diamonds but not the cream of the crop.

Right now we are selling the high quality diamonds that are in the pipe-line either at the factory or at the lab, before they even land in our offices.

The B&M stores and the internet vendors can buy in quantity but they can only sell one diamonds at a time. If you sell only your higher end diamonds, you are left with the others and are stuck if there are no higher end diamonds available to buy for stock.

When a consumer starts his or her diamond search only a month before the ring is needed he may run into a little problem if he is looking for certain diamonds. Some ethnic groups demand IF-VVS1 D-E diamonds only. It is ok that you want those diamonds and can afford them but they may not be available when you want them. The moral of the story is, if you have specific, well defined characteristics for the diamond you are planning on buying, don’t wait for the last minute!
 

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AMEN Bob! Speaking from experience in having exacting standards and getting back diamond mulch, I admit you need the time to search and pray...
 

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Bob~

On average, to a local independent, how many hands will a diamond pass thru, increasing the price each time, before the end user/customer buys the diamond?
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Very timely message Bob. All the finest cut stones are always those that move the quickest and rough is in short supply. I too am working with a couple of clients who are looking for D,E VVS in high cut qualities that, in alot of sizes just simply are not out there. Especially with regards to fancy shapes ... hunting down the cherries are like finding needles in haystacks.
 

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I believe you dimonbob about allowing for lots of time to find the right stone. Don't expect to find the perfect stone in a month! I started right after January for some diamond studs (0.6 - 0.65ct each I/J SI1 (eyeclean)) and I can't find a good match ANYWHERE! At the time I started I said I would like them in april because I have a wedding to go to in May. It looks like I'll be getting them in April too
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. But when I get them, I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.
 

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Unfortunate market, isn't it?

If I am following this right...
The first to break the logic of selling by package is the customer. So when every other middle-man gets to buy some undesirable goods in the mix, some customers must inevitably end up with them or else. Oh well... Last time I checked, it was illegal to ship low quality black pearls out of Tahiti and low quality corundum out of Myanmar: couldn't the diamond industry do the same so no one gets the bad and the ugly ?

There is something intriguing in your message Diamonbob: you rightly say that the largest buyers get the best choice (some advantage of scale) and price. But I somehow fail to observe large scale jewelry makers or diamond sellers offering the best and cheapest goods. Is competition that mangled? Or there is a lot I am missing about the wholesale scenario ?

Of course, I imagine that answering this is the last of your worries, just had to jot the Q down once
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bottom line consumers always get the short end of the stick.
Story of the diamond business,,,,
Will it ever change...?
 

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Well done Bob.

Can I add a little first hand experiance here.

I am off buying in a month with around 100k to spend and I only ever pick and choose, but I pay before the goods are shipped. With me will be my wife and her boss (who is a friend of mine). They will spend 500-1M and not pay for a very long time.
We will often sit at the same table (confusing for the cutter suppliers). We often pass comments on each others goods.
I buy D-H SI-VS and select every stone with the Ideal-Scope. Over a certain size will be sent off to GIA or IGI (this year). The price of these goods will be negociated on a back from Rap based on the final lab grading.
Wifey buys TLB and TTLB (H-L but brownish) SI to I1 and still will select from parcels (actually it is more like a small rejection).
Obviously they have a better buying power, but because we come together (ho ho ho, pun was an acccident) and they get an immediate cash hit from me, it all works out.
 

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On 2/1/2004 12:20:45 AM Cut Nut wrote:



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Obviously they have better buying power, but because we come together and they get an immediate cash hit from me, it all works out. ----------------


Oh my, that's one nifty buying team
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Are those browns often cut to H&A or similar high standards? One does not get to see them all that often... surely I would be looking for them.
 

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OK, voice of a newbie cynic (or apprehensive one) here:




There was mention above of a shortage of certain stones of certain presently desirable parameters.




Now, I have heard hearsay of DeBeer´s having guarded warehouses overflowing with diamonds of all (colloquial) shapes and sizes, ready to flood the market should another company try to impinge upon their 1950s manufactured monopoly.




First: Am I completely out to lunch in this bit of diamond history and conspiracy theory?




Second: If I am not completely out to to lunch, then is the shortage of previously mentioned stones a falsely manufactured industry ploy to drive prices of highly demanded stones up?}




I apologize if I have taken this discussion off-track,




Michael.
 

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One supplier cuts Ekati canadian goods and large size near H&A's argyle browns.

Re The mythical De Beers stockpile:
They held back large low color high clarity "Asian" goods after the 1997 Asian economic crash. Is that cloak and dagger stuff, or just plain good business sense?
They did the same in the early 90's and the early 80's when the market softened. But when ever the markets were hot they cleared those safes right out and reduced borrowings.
It seems to be rare to find socialist journo's who understand simple business.
 

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yea its a ploy to clear inventory of crap stones and an excuse for the 2 price increases in the last few months totaling over 8%

There are more diamonds being mined today than ever before there is no shortage and thats not even taking into account the stockpiles.

While DeBeer´s isn't as powerful as they once where there isnt any real compitition either.
I wonder if it isnt the same groups of people behind all the raw material suppliers that would explain things a lot.
 

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One trick I used to use when I was buying colored stones. I would buy a parcel of rubies, opals or sapphires, pluck out the best two or three stones and resell the lot for exactly what I paid of the parcel. Before I made the buy, I knew who I could sell the parcel to. I got my money back and a couple of beauties to add to my stock. All perfectly legal but if you don't know what you are doing, you can get stuck with a parcel of stones that you can only sell a few at a time. Not very profitable unless you have that kind of business.

A diamond, or colored stone, can pass through many hands before it finally ends up on someones finger. I would say six to eight passes is not unusual.
 

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On 2/1/2004 5:31:16 AM strmrdr wrote:

yea its a ploy to clear inventory of crap stones and an excuse for the 2 price increases in the last few months totaling over 8%

There are more diamonds being mined today than ever before there is no shortage and thats not even taking into account the stockpiles.

While DeBeer´s isn't as powerful as they once where there isnt any real compitition either.
I wonder if it isnt the same groups of people behind all the raw material suppliers that would explain things a lot.----------------


So the Russians are holding a stockpile, and Riotinto, and BHP and De Beers S?
And the shareholders of Rio and BHP do not mind?
And De Beers bankers do not mind?
And the Russian govt has no loan problems?

And the diamonds coming out of the ground have not been consumed by rich people in USA, Arab countries, India and China?
It is only about $8B a year being mined - it is not that much you know. There is no conspiracy - I have shares in a diamond prospecting company - I have attended 3 diamond mining conferences (I am a geologist as well and presented at 2) and the people there are from all these big comapnies and you know what - they are real and ordinary folk with only one head each
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Infact what amazes me most of all is the amount of co-operation between prospecting companies (and no - it is not colusion)
 

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Why would anyone want cheap diamonds?

There are no other top tier gems around in THAT quantity to match demand for all things precious. I would never understand the logic of this immortal "conspiracy theory". The rarest of gems are not necessarily the most valuable, virtually no natural quality of a mineral insures market value - someone must take care of it, as far as I remember. If anyone makes up the value of diamonds, that they never fail, that's all. Just a thought...
 

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Hey Garry, if you don't mind would you email me the prospecting companies you are backing that are publicly traded? I'd like to have Grant investigate them as possibilities for diversifying the portfolio. Thanks.
 

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Thanks for the insight, CutNut.




The complexities of the industry get quite complex to the outsider! I think I stuck my toe in waters best left undisturbed by me. I´ll stick with matters within my realm; "Wow, that´s one heck of a nice looking diamond. I´ll buy it."




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To each his own level of involment! I thank cut nut for explainging it, because like a car, I would rather know what's under the hood before I drop that kin of cash! Thanks Cut Nut!
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