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Attached is a magnified picture from JA. This is from an email I received:

"I have spoken to the diamond department and the diamond department partner which explain that the diamond will appear eye-clean to the naked eye.

*To a customer who is near sighted, has more of a trained or eagle eye may be able to see if staring for a long period of time a minimal amount of the imperfection within the diamond.

A small percentage of our customers are able to see these imperfections with their naked eye."


I've attached pictures. What are your thoughts?

1.72 I/SI2
EX/EX/EX
Depth: 60.7%
Table: 58%
Crown: 34.5%
Pavilion: 40.6%
HCA: 0.80

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JA had their gemologist look at it further and this is what I just received:

"The information I have received from the diamond department partner after the loose diamond has been further inspected is that the brilliant loose diamond will be eye-clean.No imperfections or inclusions will be visible by the naked eye; from arms length. The imperfections will blend in very well within the diamond. * We would determine a diamond will be eye-clean from the "face-up view/ table facet view" of a loose diamond. In regards to color, the diamond will appear warmer than a "G" or "H" color grading but will be considered in the high "I" category. There is no sign of yellow tint which at times can be found in "J" color diamonds. The loose diamond will face up white and will have a great light performance from the face up angle/view.The diamond will be visibly clear with no tint of color. Please keep in mind that clarity is measured by the table and is not profiled; side view, of the diamond. * In regards to the request of an idealscope, I have confirmed with the diamond department partner that they are unable to supply me with the image of an idealscope.They would not have the photographic tools to take images of the loose diamond at this time. In viewing the loose diamond under an idealscope viewer, they have explained that there is no visible light loss found within the round diamond in the table facet region. The imperfection in the 1-2 o'clock region of the table will not be noticeable/found when viewed under an idealscope
viewer.The imperfections/inclusions in the round diamond will not have a negative impact in the light performance of the diamond"

What do you guys think?
 
Sounds like you might want to see this diamond in person, you can return it after you compare it to the stone your jeweler has. "no leakage under the table" but how about the rest of the stone? Here is an interesting video on clarity in GIA diamonds...how it can vary:

Comparisons of Diamond Clarity Grades 2 SI2’s and 2 SI1’s (gia)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkybfyLO2FI&feature=related

Have you looked at these OEC's ??? they perform awesome and many times out perform H &A higher colored Modern RB's

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9273/ (this stone has medium blue flourescence...another added bonus! faces up very large with a high crown!)

This girl had an N AVR and her friend had an H color H &A....such an interesting thread:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/august-vintage-round-oec-n-color-nervous.174356/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/august-vintage-round-oec-n-color-nervous.174356/[/URL]

This guy went into GOG looking for a H & A but the AVR's out performed them.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/good-old-gold-avr-is-this-a-bad-inclusion-for-an-si1.174686/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/good-old-gold-avr-is-this-a-bad-inclusion-for-an-si1.174686/[/URL]

Just more options that you might not have even considered. Hope this helps.
 
i thought about getting an AVR as they are quite beautiful. i think my gf would like a RB more though. maybe earrings or something someday! anyone have any other thoughts on this diamond? im about to pull the trigger...
 
outperformed is subjective...many people prefer traditional 'ideal' cut rounds to the AVRs (in fact, Jon said that the majority of customers when shown different round cuts pick the modern idea cut RB).

what type of setting are you getting? do you want the diamond to be eye-clean from the side view? does this sound like it is 'eye-clean' to your standards?
 
i havent looked that deeply into settings. im thinking of going with the vatche caroline or having something custom made that is very similar to that. once i get the stone and it checks out and is appraised, i will then find the perfect setting. i think this stone looks pretty good for the SI2s ive seen and im really excited about the 0.8 HCA score and the fact that the JA gemologist said the stone looked very white. any suggestions re: setting are welcome! i am def going to go with a solitaire setting with no diamonds on the band.
 
Hi jfmii! I also just purchased an SI2 from JA and I just thought that I would tell you a little about my experience. I currently have a VVS1 and was very concerned about dropping so far in clarity, however I found a stone that I believed may be eyeclean. I contacted JA and I also got the initail email that you did stating that the diamond department confirmed that the stone was an exceptional SI2 and would have no eye visible inclusions. I put the diamond on hold and made a list of questions that I wanted the gemologist to answer for me, specifically if the stone would be eye clean from 6 inches if I was looking very closely at the stone and knew where the inclusions were, and secondly if the stone would have visible inclusions from the side. I recieved a second email, similar to yours stating that the stone would considered eye clean from face up at 6 inches however if I were to know where to look and looked carefully for an amount of time it may be possible for me to locate the inclusion and that I also may see the inclusions from the side. I got similar responses when I pressed about color and asked for it to be evaluated critically next to a higher and lower color grade. My point is, I believe that JA was honest in there evaluation of the stone, but as I made my expectations more clear the information that I got back was more critical, which is what I really wanted and needed to make a good decision for me.

If you truly do not want to see any inclusions in this stone, then I think that you may be disappointed. While most vendors describe eye clean has half an arms length, that may not be your definition of eye clean. And I believe that they told you a full arms length. I just want to be sure that JAs definition is ok with you. It appears that most of the inclusions are white and twining wisps which are some of the best inclusions to have, and it certainly sounds like it may have wonderful optics. your eyes will be the best judge and you have a fantastic return policy with JA. I've been very pleased with their service the few times I've purchased from them. :)) Congrats on your upcoming engagement!

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Hi Jfmiii,
Sounds like you really like this diamond! Ok, I want to look!! 8)

Size is nice (Doubtfull I'll ever have a rock like that)....RBC nice and classic and that what your girlfriend wants....Is it in your budget?
If yes that is good.

Must have a GIA cert? (because of the EX/EX/EX I assume, did I miss a cert download?) If yes this takes alot of guess work out.

Ok, some other importants. Cut. I see they cant give you an Ideal Scope image. Alright, well look at the photo. Do you see the nice pattern of the stone? How the dark portions are all uniform and the points all line up nicely at the outer edge with the bezel facets? Also the nice grey circle pattern in the center? Look again at the pattern of the stone, its all nice and symetrical and has a good balance of light and dark. Those are all good indicators of a well preforming stone with good symetry. I dont know why they botherd mentioning that more noticable inclusion will not be seen under the ideal scope, an ideal scope is not used for viewing inclusions. Thats irrelevant.

On to clarity. In a stone this size, if your trying to stay in a budget, a correctly graded SI2 is perfecty acceptable to my standards.
I guess I can understand why some people try to evaluate different stones of the same clarity with a "eye clean" verbage, but I personaly think it causes confusion and is not helpfull. "Eye Clean" is way to subjective. The whole point of evaulating diamonds by Gemological standards is take the guess work OUT. Its SI2. Period. I understand there are different inclusions in different diamonds, but it is more helpfull to understand the definition of SI2 than to start trying to define what "Eye Clean" means to you, and what does that mean to the vendor, and are you on the same page, and does this diamond fit those paramaitors. See what I mean?

An SI Clarity means Slightly Imperfect, or Noticabley included when graded faceup by a trained Gemologist diamond grader at 10x magnification.
That said, if you ARE going to ask for more information about the stone, its much more helpfull to ask what kind of inclusions are in the diamond. (If you cant already tell from the certificate). Are there crystals? Yes? Do they reflect?
Are there feathers? How deep are they? Are they really white, or not as visable? Anyway, in your case, you have an awsome picture.
Looks like twinning wisps. Can you ask? The most visable inclusion is at the Two-o-clock. Ask what it is, (Crystal, part of a twinning wisp, feather,) and maybe its just kind of dark because of the photo. If its whitish in person, I wouldnt worry about it at all. You probable wont even notice it, and if you ever do, it will be because you know its there and your in a certain lighting condion that happened to catch your eye. Chances are no one else will even notice, especially because its not in the table.

Color. Its funny they said it will be warmer that 'G' or 'H'. Well Duh :lol: thats why it was graded "I"!! Ok, so its near colorless. Great! I now I IS on the lower end of Near Colorless, but Its a well cut round brilliant, it will face up fantastic. Color is so subltle, especialy if your going to put it in a solitair. I dont know, if you really want a better color you can keep looking but I dont have a problem with "I" Color stones in a RBC if thats whats in your price range.

I hope this helps. Congradulations. Its a beautifull stone. Just compair to like stones to sure if you havent already. :wavey:
 
Hi Christina, I just read your post, I think you did great job navigating what your expections were! Good advice on trying to go about that whole "Eye Clean" communication. And about the twinning whisps. They do often tend to go un-noticed nicely if they are not to heavy as it appears to be in this stone. ;))
 
ariel144|1335542559|3182236 said:
Sounds like you might want to see this diamond in person, you can return it after you compare it to the stone your jeweler has. "no leakage under the table" but how about the rest of the stone? Here is an interesting video on clarity in GIA diamonds...how it can vary:

Comparisons of Diamond Clarity Grades 2 SI2’s and 2 SI1’s (gia)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkybfyLO2FI&feature=related

Have you looked at these OEC's ??? they perform awesome and many times out perform H &A higher colored Modern RB's

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9273/ (this stone has medium blue flourescence...another added bonus! faces up very large with a high crown!)

This girl had an N AVR and her friend had an H color H &A....such an interesting thread:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/august-vintage-round-oec-n-color-nervous.174356/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/august-vintage-round-oec-n-color-nervous.174356/[/URL]

This guy went into GOG looking for a H & A but the AVR's out performed them.https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/good-old-gold-avr-is-this-a-bad-inclusion-for-an-si1.174686/

Just more options that you might not have even considered. Hope this helps.
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I agree with slg that 'out performed' is very subjective. These are two different cuts with different optics, they perform differently, but I don't believe one can out perform the other. I know that your intention was only to state an opinion made by another person, but it's also important when posting to state that it is just an opinion and not a fact. :))
 
thanks to everyone for the response, esp PS34One. that was really a great post. thanks for the taking the time to write that. some people were asking for a cert; here it is:

http://www.jamesallen.com/certs/OFXC74048cer.jpg

anyway, i did buy the stone yesterday for a little over $11k. it should arrive to me on thursday. it was on the upper end of my budget and i did nearly purchase a 1.5ct for about $2k less, but this will be the one time i buy one of these and i didnt want to short change my gf (though she would certainly not be able to tell the difference between 1.5ct and 1.7ct). anyway, this scored 0.8 on HCA, looked good symmetry wise in that photo, and appeared pretty clean for an SI2 in both the JA photo and the GIA cert. i will look at it closely next week before taking it to the appraiser to make sure it is eye clean in a manner that is satisfactory to me, but i really hope it is as nice as i think it is.

i must say, the service at JA has been absolutely top notch. they really deserve an A+ for customer service. i hope i can give their stone the same grade!
 
:appl: Yay!! Im totaly exited for you both!! I think you make a great choice! Its going to be amazing in person! :love:
 
you guys think i got a decent deal (just >$11k)? ill try and post some pictures of the stone next week when i get it.
 
I think that you have a really beautiful diamond at a pretty fair price. It has a nice size and color, sounds fairly eye clean to me. True you could find a better diamond but it will cost more. Post photos when you can!
 
well, the stone arrived today from JA. i spent about a half hour looking at it and it is now in a safe until i get it appraised on friday. i dont have any pics YET, but i wanted to comment on the diamond and on my experience with JA.

first off, JA customer service is really, really top notch. everyone who i spoke with there was extremely nice, helpful, and FAST. the diamond arrived on time in a nice packaging. now the stone itself....

as you can see from the GIA cert, the main inclusions were twinning wisps. JA indicated that the stone was eye clean, and it is. no inclusions are visible from the top without a loupe. even then, you can really only see the twinning wisps. from the side, i think i MIGHT be able to see a reflection of an inclusion but im actually not sure, i think it may just be how it is cut. with a loupe, i can see a crystal (or its reflection from the side). overall, im very happy with the clarity for an SI2. in regards to color, when i opened up the package in my dad's office, i was a bit worried bc it was a very warm color. he is an old art deco building in downtown chicago with off white walls and old flourescent lights. so, i took it downstairs, guarding it in my hand for dear life, and took it outside. the diamond faces up very very white outside and has a ton of sparkle! when i brought it back upstairs, i took it to the window and when pressed against the window, the warmth basically disappeared and the stone appeared very white. i think the lights/wallpaper/carpeting was causing the stone to give off more warmth than normal and when it sparkled it exhibited a bit more "orange" (dont know if i can really call it orange) than i wouldve liked. additionally, the stone is LARGE. i was back and forth between 1.7 and 1.5 and im glad i went with the bigger size. dimend scaasi is making an alessandra setting for it and that should be done in the next week or two.

i am curious if people with higher color stones (E, G, etc) have similar experiences where the stone can exhibit warmth in a weird lighting environment but be extremely white when outside or in normal light conditions. or is your stone white all the time?

ill try and post pics friday when i have it appraised and also when it is set. thanks for all the help PS!
 
well, I got the finished ring today. just have some iphone pics but im really happy with the result. the stone has a ton of fire. let me know what you all think!

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Good to know you had excellent service with JA, as this is someone I am dealing with as well!


I can't tell really from the pic, but is that an Omega?
 
Diamonds reflect. I have an F step cut and there is this one cafe with orange yellow walls and carpet and my diamond looks weird in there, period. It gets this reflection thing of all that yellowish orange and it looks alternately really white (when the light hits it right) or really yellow and it can go from one to another in a split second.
 
Beautiful ring and it's HUGE! Your gf will be so happy, great job! And I agree - I've gotten great service from JA, including a hassle free return!
 
Beautiful ring!

I just wanted to share an experience I had last night regarding seeing color in my diamond. I recently purchased an 1.34 emerald cut F color (GIA grade). Well, I would swear I was seeing some tint in it sometimes, and I was just perplexed. I really don't have any experience with diamonds previously, but I am thinking they reflect the surrounding colors? I used a restroom I've never been in before last night and as I went to dry my hands (and admire my ring) my heart almost stopped. My diamond was YELLOW! :shock: I thought at first I had perhaps coated it with that yellow orange soap, but I rinsed again and they were clean. Then I noticed all my side melee diamonds were yellow as well. I looked up and around and the walls of the bathroom were super yellow and the light was dim. I walked outside back to the bright light and my diamond was white once again! :lol:
 
titan- yes, it is a 2531.80 bond seamaster.

and my gf (now fiance!) said yes on saturday. ive attached a pic of the ring on her hand. thanks to everyone on PS for all their help!

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