Big Daddy 48

[D&T]

not sure if you visited this page, this will help you navigate on attaching pictures.

https://www.pricescope.com/forum/faq1/how-to-upload-reduce-pictures-for-posting-t41381.html

 

[Big daddy 48]

WOW! TY VERY MUCH.

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:16:47 AM
Author: Big daddy 48
It''s ok pal. At least you can understand where I am coming from and what a good buy is! I could take a little abuse but I can give it as well As long as it''s all in healthy fun I am good with it. I am trying to figure out how to post pictures on here. Once I do I will show off a little. I don''t know if people on here are into watches but I am. I have a Cartier with 33.75 CTS of diamonds set in it, a Frank Muller with 19.65 CTS set, a Daytona with 3 CTS on the bezel and several more.

I''d love to see your pics. Watches are a big love of mine. Please post your pics in jewelry pieces, it''s a forum a few places down from here. I''ll bump it for you.

 

[D&T]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:24:43 AM
Author: Big daddy 48
WOW! TY VERY MUCH.

Sure anytime. Also if you want to comment on someone, just go to their post and after you hit reply on the upper left hand there is a quote button, which will bring up their quotes. hope that helps, and by the way, Welcome to pricescope

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:24:43 AM
Author: Big daddy 48
WOW! TY VERY MUCH.

No problem, we love to see gorgeous watches so have at it!!!
And welcome to PS!!!! Glad you are here.

ETA: I see you were not responding to me, but D&T gave you a great thread about posting pics. I look forward to seeing yours....

 

[Big daddy 48]

TY. I will do that now.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 8/1/2009 11:31:59 AM
Author: Big daddy 48
The reason being is your basically getting a piece of paper. Now in most of our eyes GIA is the most respected lab there is, correct? Now so you know when purchasing a colored diamond they could be enhanced after the report was made and sold as non enhanced. This is why I bring my stones to EGL. They give me an accurate rating and it dosn''t cost much to do.

Well, my reply to this is that if you suspect the person/company you are buying
from would be dishonest enough to do this, you should find new vendors.

I don''t know what EGL charges for a new cert, but I do know they are not the most reliable lab and often inflate their colour an clarity grades. Why do you believe they always give you an accurate rating? If you plug "EGL" into the search box here, you will find hours worth of reading on this contentious issue.

Can you please clarify why you don''t send the stone back to GIA, as you mentioned who is the most respected (trusted) lab?
Or, just find a reputable independent appraiser in your area.? I have a feeling if what you''re saying about your diamond collecting is true, creating a relationship with an appraiser will be good for you.

If you go to resources at the top of the page, there are lists of reputable ones in each state.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:16:47 AM
Author: Big daddy 48
It''s ok pal. At least you can understand where I am coming from and what a good buy is! I could take a little abuse but I can give it as well As long as it''s all in healthy fun I am good with it. I am trying to figure out how to post pictures on here. Once I do I will show off a little. I don''t know if people on here are into watches but I am. I have a Cartier with 33.75 CTS of diamonds set in it, a Frank Muller with 19.65 CTS set, a Daytona with 3 CTS on the bezel and several more.

hate to tell ya,but most watch enthusiast do not collect watches loaded with diamonds.

btw; are these watches loaded with enhanced diamonds ?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 8/2/2009 1:06:17 AM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 8/2/2009 12:16:47 AM
Author: Big daddy 48
It''s ok pal. At least you can understand where I am coming from and what a good buy is! I could take a little abuse but I can give it as well As long as it''s all in healthy fun I am good with it. I am trying to figure out how to post pictures on here. Once I do I will show off a little. I don''t know if people on here are into watches but I am. I have a Cartier with 33.75 CTS of diamonds set in it, a Frank Muller with 19.65 CTS set, a Daytona with 3 CTS on the bezel and several more.

hate to tell ya,but most watch enthusiast do not collect watches loaded with diamonds.

btw; are these watches loaded with enhanced diamonds ?

my above post was referring to gent''s watches,not ladies.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:08:49 AM
Author: Moh 10
Sorry Big Daddy for having fun at your expense.

I''m not mainstream here either.
The largest group here likes stones at the eye clean clarity of SI1 and color near I, J and K.

I also own a few stones.
All are top cut, tip top cut, with color of E and F, and clarity between VVS1 and VS1.
All stones have AGS or GIA reports.
My most recent score was a fancy deep purplish-pink VVS1 emerald cut, natural color diamond with a GIA report.
For the price I paid for that tiny quarter-carat stone I could have gotten a 5000-pound clarity and color enhanced honker with NO lab report.
To each his own.

So I get ribbed and made to feel dumb occasionally for buying stones that are smaller than I could have gotten for the same price.
So what if you and I are not in the center of the pricescope bell curve?

We are both delighted with our purchases even though we both go against the majority preference here.

If anyone does do that to you let me know and I will smack ''em.

 

[Moh 10]

Well, nobody does it outright Lorelei.
It comes up in statements like...
(approximate quote) "When I bought my first diamond I was stupid and bought a VVS1 . . . "
The classic: "Why pay for what you can't see?" (My reply to that is, The same reason you'd pay for a real diamond when 99.99% of the public can't tell)
A newbie posts about their find, say an F VVS2, and several posters say, OH you should go down in color and clarity and get a bigger stone.

People like when others agree with them.
It's natural.
We all feel we are right, and the larger our group is the more right we feel.

I say get educated then decide, and as long as the person makes their selection AFTER education their decision is perfect, for them.

It is really hard to feel strongly about something, but also have the discipline and courtesy to restrict the application of that belief to yourself.

I'm serious, if Big daddy 48 loves enhanced stones after being educated about them, then bless his heart.
But if he's snowed by a vendor about their value, let's educate him.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/2/2009 11:44:33 AM
Author: Moh 10
Well, nobody does it outright Lorelei.
It comes up in statements like...
(approximate quote) ''When I bought my first diamond I was stupid and bought a VVS1 . . . ''
The classic: ''Why pay for what you can''t see?'' (My reply to that is, The same reason you''d pay for a real diamond when 99.99% of the public can''t tell)
A newbie posts about their find, say an F VVS2, and several posters say, OH you should go down in color and clarity and get a bigger stone.

People like when others agree with them.
It''s natural.
We all feel we are right, and the larger our group is the more right we feel.

I say get educated then decide, and as long as the person makes their selection AFTER education their decision is perfect, for them.

It is really hard to feel strongly about something, but also have the discipline and courtesy to restrict the application of that belief to yourself.

I''m serious, if Big daddy 48 loves enhanced stones after being educated about them, then bless his heart.
But if he''s snowed by a vendor about their value, let''s educate him.

Bingo. And it is so important to emphasize and respect the choices of others so that we can be of help to everyone regardless of what their preferences are! And of course education is key to make sure new consumers understand their options and can make the best choice for them personally.

 

[Moh 10]

Big daddy 48 you say you got a great deal.
Can you be sure?

Did you know a stone that would have gotten an I2 grade before enhancement but gets an SI2 after enhancement should be priced as an I2, not an SI2?
Plus, this is all based upon a reputable lab grading the stone.
Some labs grade, shall we say, optimistically compared to AGS and GIA.
This makes it hard to be sure what the grade truly is before or after enhancement.

Next, UGLy grades stones after enhancement so how do you know what it was before?
You don't.
So you don't know what the price should be.

Next if a lab assigns grades on a mounted stone they loose credibility in my mind.
A reputable lab has to see all of the stone they are grading.
A big black hompin grade-dropping carbon blotch could be under a prong.
A scummy vendor could even look for such diamonds to mount, then grade.

Hence I would argue you really don't know if you got a great deal because of grading uncertainty.

Next you have not mentioned cut.
Cut, rather than clarity or color, determines how beautiful a diamonds light show is.

This is why you are getting roasted here.
PS is all about good cut and being sure of what you are getting.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 8/2/2009 11:44:33 AM
Author: Moh 10
Well, nobody does it outright Lorelei.
It comes up in statements like...
(approximate quote) ''When I bought my first diamond I was stupid and bought a VVS1 . . . ''
The classic: ''Why pay for what you can''t see?'' (My reply to that is, The same reason you''d pay for a real diamond when 99.99% of the public can''t tell)
A newbie posts about their find, say an F VVS2, and several posters say, OH you should go down in color and clarity and get a bigger stone.

People like when others agree with them.
It''s natural.
We all feel we are right, and the larger our group is the more right we feel.

I say get educated then decide, and as long as the person makes their selection AFTER education their decision is perfect, for them.

It is really hard to feel strongly about something, but also have the discipline and courtesy to restrict the application of that belief to yourself.

I''m serious, if Big daddy 48 loves enhanced stones after being educated about them, then bless his heart.
But if he''s snowed by a vendor about their value, let''s educate him.

People like to validate their own choices by teaching others to make the same choice.
If they see that someonelse made the same choice as they did they feel more secure in their own decision.
Someone who is truly secure with their own choice has no need to push others to make the same.

 

[Moh 10]

Major Bingo!

When we are at peace with ourselves others being different is not a threat.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:04:45 PM
Author: Moh 10
Major Bingo!

When we are at peace with ourselves others being different is not a threat.

Absolutely!

 

[Ellen]

I don't feel any of us actually "push" people to choose/buy anything (though we may strongly urge against something we feel is potentially bad), but we (at least I) do point out options they may not be aware of, or would not have considered because of erroneous information. Once they are informed, I have no problem with what anyone buys!

 

[Skippy123]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:12:46 PM
Author: Ellen
I don't feel any of us actually 'push' people to choose/buy anything (though we may strongly urge against something we feel is potentially bad), but we (at least I) do point out options they may not be aware of, or would not have considered because of erroneous information. Once they are informed, I have no problem with what anyone buys!

I agree, I think people are good at giving others options and then letting them decide on their own. I also think a lot of people want to get the best price for them so it is good to have eye clean options too; I never knew before PS there were eye clean SI1 stones. just as a side note I don't have SI stones but it is good to know if I want to save some money and want to go bigger just as an example.

 

[Moh 10]

If a newbie pops in with an E VVS1 to get advice on, I hope I'd also educate them about how they are paying tons of money for what most people don't see.
I have also mentioned to these newbies that the majority of people are happy with an eye-clean SI stone.

Lots and lots of people want to to identify and join the largest group.
They assume that is the groovy group because it is largest.
It is kind of like a Consumer Reports approach.
Pick what others pick, safety in numbers, etc.

Also most people want the largest stone possible.

So be it.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:12:46 PM
Author: Ellen
I don''t feel any of us actually ''push'' people to choose/buy anything (though we may strongly urge against something we feel is potentially bad), but we (at least I) do point out options they may not be aware of, or would not have considered because of erroneous information. Once they are informed, I have no problem with what anyone buys!

You do great and have a very balanced viewpoint which is important.

 

[jet2ks]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:12:46 PM
Author: Ellen
I don''t feel any of us actually ''push'' people to choose/buy anything (though we may strongly urge against something we feel is potentially bad), but we (at least I) do point out options they may not be aware of, or would not have considered because of erroneous information. Once they are informed, I have no problem with what anyone buys!

Big DITTO on that! I think one of the reasons you see so many posts on PS about lowering color and clarity is that too many shoppers have been convinced by jewlery stores that only high color and high clarity will get them a beautiful stone. Some of that sales pitch is about selling a higher priced diamond, some is about how poorly graded the stones are. After looking in some maul stores at supposed G SI1 stones that are visibly tinted and have noticeable inclusions, a consumer can easily start to feel that they have to get E VVS to avoid that. I do try to point out to those people that a GIA or AGS grade stone from a reputable vendor will appear vastly different.

It is all about educated choices, not picking out of desperation.

 

[Moh 10]

I agree that a common misconception is that high color and clarity make a diamond much more beautiful, not cut quality.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/2/2009 12:26:56 PM
Author: jet2ks

Date: 8/2/2009 12:12:46 PM
Author: Ellen
I don''t feel any of us actually ''push'' people to choose/buy anything (though we may strongly urge against something we feel is potentially bad), but we (at least I) do point out options they may not be aware of, or would not have considered because of erroneous information. Once they are informed, I have no problem with what anyone buys!

Big DITTO on that! I think one of the reasons you see so many posts on PS about lowering color and clarity is that too many shoppers have been convinced by jewlery stores that only high color and high clarity will get them a beautiful stone. Some of that sales pitch is about selling a higher priced diamond, some is about how poorly graded the stones are. After looking in some maul stores at supposed G SI1 stones that are visibly tinted and have noticeable inclusions, a consumer can easily start to feel that they have to get E VVS to avoid that. I do try to point out to those people that a GIA or AGS grade stone from a reputable vendor will appear vastly different.

It is all about educated choices, not picking out of desperation.

And I shall return your ditto in kind. Exactly.

 

[John P]

Date: 8/1/2009 12:22:56 AM
Author: Big daddy 48
I some what agree with you on the other labs if you deal with one of the workers. No matter what stones I purchase or where I purchase them from I get them appraised my self, even if they have a GIA certificate. Anyone can dummy up anything and I don't trust a sole! I have had some good experience with EGL. They are a little pricey but they are pretty much on the money. I know I am new to this forum but I am a collector and love diamonds. I think this price scope thing is great!

Who do you work with at EGL? A gentleman I consider one of the foremost authorities on treatments/enhancements has long worked out of their Vancouver location. He just launched his own gem ID service with a colleague. I'm wondering if you've done business with him.