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Strmrdr..., this is one of the step-cut designs which I know are great looking when cut in the widest range of depths..., shallow or deep..., its just a matter of applying the right step facet size, angle and symmetry!!! They can be amazing at 50% - 80% TD...Date: 1/24/2008 4:16:34 PM
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I''m not a huge fan of them but that one is sweet!Date: 1/24/2008 3:51:10 PM
Author: DiaGem
A square step cut would do a good job of appearance on a 1/2 or 1/3 carat...
Haven''t seen one that well cut before.
The 2 I saw in person were pretty bad.
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Wow, this post has increased alot since I last viewed it!
Firstly, RLG, storm, GGIA and DiaGem , thankyou so much forn your opinions and advice.
And garry...well, obviously, you''re a professional..at being overly sensitive. I was merely asking for a opinion, and as you know, seeing as I''m new on the forum, you could cut a little slack before losing your cool..I appreciate your feedback, and was merely asking for guidance in finding the right stone for me.
I sincerely appreciate evryones opinions - I know the best advice is to look at as many stones in possible in person - however, i''m posting from Perth in west australia, where from what I''ve found so far, asschers are few and few between.
I''m thinking, based on what I''ve learnt, that an asscher may not be the best choice for my price range, as much as i love them
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Thanks for your input storm on asschers around half ct - i agree with u though, that its gonna be a very long and expensive process to go through enough to find a great one.
And thanks RLG for the link,
Regards. AJ
Firstly, RLG, storm, GGIA and DiaGem , thankyou so much forn your opinions and advice.
And garry...well, obviously, you''re a professional..at being overly sensitive. I was merely asking for a opinion, and as you know, seeing as I''m new on the forum, you could cut a little slack before losing your cool..I appreciate your feedback, and was merely asking for guidance in finding the right stone for me.
I sincerely appreciate evryones opinions - I know the best advice is to look at as many stones in possible in person - however, i''m posting from Perth in west australia, where from what I''ve found so far, asschers are few and few between.
I''m thinking, based on what I''ve learnt, that an asscher may not be the best choice for my price range, as much as i love them
. Thanks for your input storm on asschers around half ct - i agree with u though, that its gonna be a very long and expensive process to go through enough to find a great one.
And thanks RLG for the link,
Regards. AJ
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arjunajane...hello, i''m ron (aka...tierhog). every now and then, i like to log on to pricescope and check out threads on asschers or royal asschers. it''s nice to find your post...but, first, before i make comment i''d like to thank someone.....
lorelei...how wonderful your compliments to me and i''m flattered and touched that you''ve taken time to put links up to my postings! i''m honored that you''d remember my ''journey'' and have shared that with someone else...thank you!
okay, back to you arjunajane ...i''m gonna try to make comment to some of your concerns as i re-read your postings in order, okay? here goes (bear with me, i can be talkative!) ...i''ll try to keep it short ...
fluorescence...i''ll let the folks who''ve commented on that stand. i don''t have much experience in seeing fluor diamonds, since i left ''fluor'' out of my specs. not that i wouldn''t buy a diamond w/fluor, just left that box ''unchecked'', if you know what i mean.
everyone is very correct when they tell you that you need to see the diamond in person. i know, i know, that''s such a pain...especially depending on where you live. however, if it''ll make you feel any better (well, it won''t! lol), it''s been MY experience in searching near and far...(if you take a few years to read my threads, you''ll know that''s true!) that an asscher cut, especially a royal asscher, diamond is not common. at least when i was lookin'' they were hard to find. my opinion of that is because they''re (asscher cuts) not marketed like the common shapes, i.e. rounds, marque, princess and emerald cuts. so, chances are, no matter where you live, you''re gonna have to ask the dealer to ''call it in''...frustrating? you bet...i went to the well-known dealers to find them seriously lacking in any knowledge about an asscher cut diamond. let alone a royal. i made tons o'' calls to dealers...posted tons o'' questions here...i received tons of great advice from the folks here. fortunately, i eventually found a great vendor...
to quote you....."putting a lot of faith in the vendor representing it absolutely accurately, as i won''t have the advantage of viewing before purchase"......i would strongly advise that before you give someone your money, YOU need to see the stone in person. now, if the vendor is willing to set something up with you to view it before purchase...uh, like sending the stone(s) you wish to view to a jeweler/appraiser near you...and they may or may not charge you a fee to do this...that''s something i''d consider.
which brings me to seeing the diamond. okay, you''ve got pics, right? lol...well, you''ve got all these ''computed'' pics...aset, etc, etc. okay, those images tell you, the average diamond seeking person what? specs? great...how do you compare those specs to how that particular diamond''s gonna look on your little finger? my layman''s opinion? they''re not gonna help in that capacity. you gotta see the stone! how about these close up pics with the diamond sitting on some ''cold'' surface? well, if the pic''s zoomed in real close you may be able to judge the clarity and shape of the stone. and, depending on the SURFACE the stone''s sitting on may make it look as if it lacks in luster, sparkle...whatever. that''s why once i got my diamonds in my real hand, one''s of varying SPECS, i had to take tons of pics of those diamonds in real life settings (i posted tons of pics for your viewing...lol...pleasure!).
the pics i posted where taken in direct sunlight, indirect. cloudy days, overcast days. indoors...you name it. and, i posted them for folks to see and help me with. i understand the concern for these computer images...but man, it''s your EYES that''ll tell you what''s right. i must add this- it amazes me that anyone can recommend a diamond to you or anyone else for that matter, by either seeing some image...computer generated or not, or based on even a detailed spec sheet. i recommend, again from my researching and PURCHASING experience, that learning a bit about some basic specs is great...you''re investing money and time. but, listening to those who are directing you to see, see, see are
being more real...
next...(told ya i''m quite talkative)...lorelei''s comment''s regarding my diamond. she''s right, diamond''s look different in person. in all honesty (why not be honest here), the pictures i posted represent my J diamond very well. if you look at my pics, you''ll find varying settings where you can best tell what the diamond looks like in varying scenarios. yeah, it''s a J. it doesn''t look yellow like you''d think. i too, had my concerns about the J. until i SAW it. and, i saw an H next to it. i do believe i took a series of pictures of two diamonds side my side in my own hand at my home, inside and outside...again, i own the diamond and i''m telling you that you should not leave out J''s. again, back to the spec thing...don''t rule stuff out based solely on that. lorelei was correct, my pics give you SOME IDEA of what the diamond looks like. that''s about all a picture or a video is good for...you must SEE the diamond in person. thanks again lorelei...you''re extremely kind.
you ask about the facets that make ''the king'' ''so great''...well, the specs on ''the king''...lol...aren''t perfect. and, on paper,
i wanted somethin'' that SPEC''D close to what is supposedly best. well, i had to see THIS asscher (lorelei was right, it was a journey i went on!) regardless of it''s specs...to say i was blown away is an understatement. first off, asscher cuts, royals, square emerald cuts...whatever you wanna call ''em...they look so different than all the other cuts! they''re beautiful shape is hard to deny...NO ONE who''s viewed my wife''s royal asscher has been less than stunned. but, again, my royal doesn''t spec out to the nth degree...in my opinion...specs and color tables, fluors or non fluors, are ONLY a guideline.
oh, by the way, a common question i came across alot was...is there a viewable difference between an asscher cut diamond and a
royal asscher diamond? uh, yeah. how do i know? cuz, i looked at a COUPLE of each of the varieties in my own hand, side by side...and took the test to my wife (without her knowing anything about each of the diamonds). but, that''s another story. actually, i think i posted that too!!
to understand the difference between a royal asscher and ''generic'' asscher...search here or google. you''ll find plenty to read. again, lorelei is correct, royal asscher company, amsterdam, netherlands, cut my diamond...laser''d serial number on one side of the girdle and laser''d crown insignia on the other. cool!
again, identifying what a diamond''s gonna look like by means of an aset is impossible, huh? i do think that internet or real vendors who''re at a distance from you should take the time to take many ''real life'' photos of the diamond for you. i think that''d be great customer service. time consuming (not really) yeah...
as folks are tellin'' ya, the downsize of an asscher is it''s...well, downsize! from the top view downward, they look a bit smaller than rounds or princesses
even tho'' they weigh the same. but, from the side view, they''re nice and thick! and, i agree with garry regarding dropping clarity to gain
more size...but, again, i''d have to see the diamond...because like you wrote, you want mindclean. don''t we all...oh, but, i must admit...i didn''t follow this advice. you see, i wanted clarity more than size. matter fact, the bigger the diamond and lower clarity the more crap you''re gonna see! so, smaller great clarity might be a fabulous thing! it may be small but they''ll see it when you put your hand out there...
the setting for the royal was originally gonna be set in a very simple, thin setting...but, lol...when i saw the claude thibedeau setting...IN PERSON...with a fake round diamond in it...i imagined that the royal would be divine. it was a good call, we love it...and, not that it matters, but, so does everyone who sees it in person!
feeling overwhelmed? lol...you''re on the right track! but...slow down, try not to rush into anything...with ANYONE. take some time off (even for one day! lol) from your search to regroup. if you really want an asscher cut, the frustrating part of hunting it down will be worth it once you get it in your hand.
lemme touch on vendors...folks here don''t mind chimin'' in on their favorite vendor, repeatedly...so i won''t be shy either. you made comment that a certain vendor could only supply you with a .5 to .6 ''max'' for your money...well, don''t limit yourself. check other vendors. what''s their return policy? what if you''re not happy once you get it? ''bluenile'' is good for ''building'' your diamond...just for the fun of it, if you haven''t done it already go to their website and check it out...plug in ''asscher cut'' and have fun. and, you can order from them and they have a great return policy. how do i know? i''ve used them. folks'' recommendations here are valuable info, but, just don''t feel you have to limit yourself to the vendors you hear about here. it''s your money, spend it wisely.
again, garry chimes in that it''s not about your finger size, it''s about the look of the diamond. good advice. okay, look, i know what you''re sayin''...small fingers, don''t need a large diamond to look sizable on your finger. i agree. i agree cuz my wife''s finger is a 4.5. your logic is correct, but, go with garry''s advice on that...no matter the size...look of the diamond matters (i think he''s talkin'' quality and shape). get it? cool...
oh, by the way, i dunno garry personally and have no connection to him here, or anywhere else for that matter, but, common sense is that from what i''ve read from
him here...he works around diamonds on a regular basis. his experience in handling diamonds should be considered quite valuable...as well as many of the folks here, including myself, who''ve actually purchased one of these asschers. oh, and, i think it''s very professional of him to not get too involved with constantly recommending a certain vendor here. makes you wonder sometimes about that...well, lol, makes ME wonder! lol...
finally near the end of your thread here...a good one at that.
again...don''t let the frustration of hunting down an asscher cut keep you from getting one. why? well, cuz if you get another diamond, you''ll love it...but, you''ll still want that asscher!!!!
well, i''ve sure spent enough time here to put ya to sleep...just couldn''t help speak up a little...for the asscher community!
good luck in your search...don''t give up. continue to call on the folks here. they''ll help you till the end...i know this cuz they did with me! thanks again everyone...
sincerely, ron.
lorelei...how wonderful your compliments to me and i''m flattered and touched that you''ve taken time to put links up to my postings! i''m honored that you''d remember my ''journey'' and have shared that with someone else...thank you!
okay, back to you arjunajane
...i''m gonna try to make comment to some of your concerns as i re-read your postings in order, okay? here goes (bear with me, i can be talkative!) ...i''ll try to keep it short ...fluorescence...i''ll let the folks who''ve commented on that stand. i don''t have much experience in seeing fluor diamonds, since i left ''fluor'' out of my specs. not that i wouldn''t buy a diamond w/fluor, just left that box ''unchecked'', if you know what i mean.
everyone is very correct when they tell you that you need to see the diamond in person. i know, i know, that''s such a pain...especially depending on where you live. however, if it''ll make you feel any better (well, it won''t! lol), it''s been MY experience in searching near and far...(if you take a few years to read my threads, you''ll know that''s true!) that an asscher cut, especially a royal asscher, diamond is not common. at least when i was lookin'' they were hard to find. my opinion of that is because they''re (asscher cuts) not marketed like the common shapes, i.e. rounds, marque, princess and emerald cuts. so, chances are, no matter where you live, you''re gonna have to ask the dealer to ''call it in''...frustrating? you bet...i went to the well-known dealers to find them seriously lacking in any knowledge about an asscher cut diamond. let alone a royal. i made tons o'' calls to dealers...posted tons o'' questions here...i received tons of great advice from the folks here. fortunately, i eventually found a great vendor...
to quote you....."putting a lot of faith in the vendor representing it absolutely accurately, as i won''t have the advantage of viewing before purchase"......i would strongly advise that before you give someone your money, YOU need to see the stone in person. now, if the vendor is willing to set something up with you to view it before purchase...uh, like sending the stone(s) you wish to view to a jeweler/appraiser near you...and they may or may not charge you a fee to do this...that''s something i''d consider.
which brings me to seeing the diamond. okay, you''ve got pics, right? lol...well, you''ve got all these ''computed'' pics...aset, etc, etc. okay, those images tell you, the average diamond seeking person what? specs? great...how do you compare those specs to how that particular diamond''s gonna look on your little finger? my layman''s opinion? they''re not gonna help in that capacity. you gotta see the stone! how about these close up pics with the diamond sitting on some ''cold'' surface? well, if the pic''s zoomed in real close you may be able to judge the clarity and shape of the stone. and, depending on the SURFACE the stone''s sitting on may make it look as if it lacks in luster, sparkle...whatever. that''s why once i got my diamonds in my real hand, one''s of varying SPECS, i had to take tons of pics of those diamonds in real life settings (i posted tons of pics for your viewing...lol...pleasure!).
the pics i posted where taken in direct sunlight, indirect. cloudy days, overcast days. indoors...you name it. and, i posted them for folks to see and help me with. i understand the concern for these computer images...but man, it''s your EYES that''ll tell you what''s right. i must add this- it amazes me that anyone can recommend a diamond to you or anyone else for that matter, by either seeing some image...computer generated or not, or based on even a detailed spec sheet. i recommend, again from my researching and PURCHASING experience, that learning a bit about some basic specs is great...you''re investing money and time. but, listening to those who are directing you to see, see, see are
being more real...
next...(told ya i''m quite talkative)...lorelei''s comment''s regarding my diamond. she''s right, diamond''s look different in person. in all honesty (why not be honest here), the pictures i posted represent my J diamond very well. if you look at my pics, you''ll find varying settings where you can best tell what the diamond looks like in varying scenarios. yeah, it''s a J. it doesn''t look yellow like you''d think. i too, had my concerns about the J. until i SAW it. and, i saw an H next to it. i do believe i took a series of pictures of two diamonds side my side in my own hand at my home, inside and outside...again, i own the diamond and i''m telling you that you should not leave out J''s. again, back to the spec thing...don''t rule stuff out based solely on that. lorelei was correct, my pics give you SOME IDEA of what the diamond looks like. that''s about all a picture or a video is good for...you must SEE the diamond in person. thanks again lorelei...you''re extremely kind.
you ask about the facets that make ''the king'' ''so great''...well, the specs on ''the king''...lol...aren''t perfect. and, on paper,
i wanted somethin'' that SPEC''D close to what is supposedly best. well, i had to see THIS asscher (lorelei was right, it was a journey i went on!) regardless of it''s specs...to say i was blown away is an understatement. first off, asscher cuts, royals, square emerald cuts...whatever you wanna call ''em...they look so different than all the other cuts! they''re beautiful shape is hard to deny...NO ONE who''s viewed my wife''s royal asscher has been less than stunned. but, again, my royal doesn''t spec out to the nth degree...in my opinion...specs and color tables, fluors or non fluors, are ONLY a guideline.
oh, by the way, a common question i came across alot was...is there a viewable difference between an asscher cut diamond and a
royal asscher diamond? uh, yeah. how do i know? cuz, i looked at a COUPLE of each of the varieties in my own hand, side by side...and took the test to my wife (without her knowing anything about each of the diamonds). but, that''s another story. actually, i think i posted that too!!
to understand the difference between a royal asscher and ''generic'' asscher...search here or google. you''ll find plenty to read. again, lorelei is correct, royal asscher company, amsterdam, netherlands, cut my diamond...laser''d serial number on one side of the girdle and laser''d crown insignia on the other. cool!
again, identifying what a diamond''s gonna look like by means of an aset is impossible, huh? i do think that internet or real vendors who''re at a distance from you should take the time to take many ''real life'' photos of the diamond for you. i think that''d be great customer service. time consuming (not really) yeah...
as folks are tellin'' ya, the downsize of an asscher is it''s...well, downsize! from the top view downward, they look a bit smaller than rounds or princesses
even tho'' they weigh the same. but, from the side view, they''re nice and thick! and, i agree with garry regarding dropping clarity to gain
more size...but, again, i''d have to see the diamond...because like you wrote, you want mindclean. don''t we all...oh, but, i must admit...i didn''t follow this advice. you see, i wanted clarity more than size. matter fact, the bigger the diamond and lower clarity the more crap you''re gonna see! so, smaller great clarity might be a fabulous thing! it may be small but they''ll see it when you put your hand out there...
the setting for the royal was originally gonna be set in a very simple, thin setting...but, lol...when i saw the claude thibedeau setting...IN PERSON...with a fake round diamond in it...i imagined that the royal would be divine. it was a good call, we love it...and, not that it matters, but, so does everyone who sees it in person!
feeling overwhelmed? lol...you''re on the right track! but...slow down, try not to rush into anything...with ANYONE. take some time off (even for one day! lol) from your search to regroup. if you really want an asscher cut, the frustrating part of hunting it down will be worth it once you get it in your hand.
lemme touch on vendors...folks here don''t mind chimin'' in on their favorite vendor, repeatedly...so i won''t be shy either. you made comment that a certain vendor could only supply you with a .5 to .6 ''max'' for your money...well, don''t limit yourself. check other vendors. what''s their return policy? what if you''re not happy once you get it? ''bluenile'' is good for ''building'' your diamond...just for the fun of it, if you haven''t done it already
go to their website and check it out...plug in ''asscher cut'' and have fun. and, you can order from them and they have a great return policy. how do i know? i''ve used them. folks'' recommendations here are valuable info, but, just don''t feel you have to limit yourself to the vendors you hear about here. it''s your money, spend it wisely. again, garry chimes in that it''s not about your finger size, it''s about the look of the diamond. good advice. okay, look, i know what you''re sayin''...small fingers, don''t need a large diamond to look sizable on your finger. i agree. i agree cuz my wife''s finger is a 4.5. your logic is correct, but, go with garry''s advice on that...no matter the size...look of the diamond matters (i think he''s talkin'' quality and shape). get it? cool...
oh, by the way, i dunno garry personally and have no connection to him here, or anywhere else for that matter, but, common sense is that from what i''ve read from
him here...he works around diamonds on a regular basis. his experience in handling diamonds should be considered quite valuable...as well as many of the folks here, including myself, who''ve actually purchased one of these asschers.
oh, and, i think it''s very professional of him to not get too involved with constantly recommending a certain vendor here. makes you wonder sometimes about that...well, lol, makes ME wonder! lol...finally near the end of your thread here...a good one at that.
again...don''t let the frustration of hunting down an asscher cut keep you from getting one. why? well, cuz if you get another diamond, you''ll love it...but, you''ll still want that asscher!!!!
well, i''ve sure spent enough time here to put ya to sleep...just couldn''t help speak up a little...for the asscher community!
good luck in your search...don''t give up. continue to call on the folks here. they''ll help you till the end...i know this cuz they did with me! thanks again everyone...
sincerely, ron.
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Hey there, just at the risk of adding to this litle fire, I think you might have taken Gary wrong. From my (realtive newbie) experiences I have come to the conclusion that Gary is a man of few words, simple, to the point kinda guy. I am pretty sure he wasn't loosing his cool with you
I know that pros on this board are bound by some pretty strict guidlelines what they can post on, the whole no sales thing etc. I am sure he was just making his point clear so they could be no mistaking his intentions / position.
I would personally kept this guy on the 'friends' side, he is a fountain of knowledge!!
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Date: 2/15/2008 3:17:29 AM
Author: honey22
Hey there, just at the risk of adding to this litle fire, I think you might have taken Gary wrong. From my (realtive newbie) experiences I have come to the conclusion that Gary is a man of few words, simple, to the point kinda guy. I am pretty sure he wasn''t loosing his cool with youI took it that it would be in bad Pricescope form if he commented on prices etc, not you were in bad form asking the question.
I know that pros on this board are bound by some pretty strict guidlelines what they can post on, the whole no sales thing etc. I am sure he was just making his point clear so they could be no mistaking his intentions / position.
I would personally kept this guy on the ''friends'' side, he is a fountain of knowledge!!
Hi everyone, just a quick post, as I felt I should explain that this is a (quite old)thread from the first week I joined the board.
At that time, I had no idea who Garry was, let alone that he was "in the industry" (shows how little I *knew* about anything diamonds than). I was just blindly looking for advice from anyone who responded to me!
As i mentioned, this is an old post, that (greatfully for the input) Ron has found and responded to, bringing it back up as a *current thread*.
just FYI, me and garry have long since *made up* in another thread, and of course, I respect his position and pro input on this forum.
Ron, thanku for ur post-just at work now, can''t say much, will re post later,
just wanted to claer that up
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honey22....well explained.
arjunajane...you''re very welcome. maybe i shoulda paid more attention to the date of your posting. i thought it was relatively new on the board.
and, arjunajane, you are more than welcome!
i saw you have another post out there about prong size ...but wasn''t sure if i should reply. you were very complimentary to my ring ...nice pic you chose to show!! lol.....
most sincerely, ron (aka...tierhog)
arjunajane...you''re very welcome. maybe i shoulda paid more attention to the date of your posting. i thought it was relatively new on the board.
and, arjunajane, you are more than welcome!
i saw you have another post out there about prong size ...but wasn''t sure if i should reply.
you were very complimentary to my ring ...nice pic you chose to show!! lol.....most sincerely, ron (aka...tierhog)
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