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[Gwyn]

I was wondering if I could get you all''s opinion on the following asscher cut stones:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=1000713

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=862602

I was wondering if someone could explain why the square pattern around the table to the stone looks so different on these two. The pattern on the first one is what I am used to seeing, though the more and more that I search the more I am seeing the second pattern.

I like this one but the symetry is only "good" and the image itself looks a little smudgy.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=859710

Also, what makes the yellowish coloring as shown in this photo:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=864492

A final question, about how long would you say a typical acquisition of a diamond takes. If you take the search, the design of a setting, the construction and shipping into account, how far ahead from the date where you need the ring would you recommend having people call in diamonds for you? I ask because I do not need the ring until June, so I am not looking to buy right away. I do not know if I should be having people at sites like niceice and such start their searches for me now or if I should wait a few months. I know there is no harm in getting it early but since I dont need it, I think I would rather wait. Of course I do not want to wait too long to ask people to run searched since I dont know how long it usually takes to find a *kicken* ring.

 

[JulieN]

The fourth one was photographed in a different environment.

 

[strmrdr]

For an asscher a month is about right.
Keep in mind those pictures are good enough for rejection but better pictures are needed before its accepted.

The first one the corners and windmills are too small for me.

second is a bright drop style and looks worht getting better pictures if you like that style.

third really bad photo cant tell a thing about it, good symmetry might or might not be an issue.

4th is the best of the lot, the yellow color means nothing, Id have this diamond called in for more pictures.

 

[strmrdr]

here is the picture of the 4th one.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=864492

 

[starryeyed]

Hi Gwyn.

I think the earlier you begin your search, the better off you are, particularly if you want a custom setting. Some custom setting might take 2-3 weeks, others may take 2-3 months. Sometimes, particular designers can take even longer - like 6-7 months. Sourcing the stone probably depends on availability and how much attention you can pay to the matter. One month is probably a good estimate, but I might call it 6-8 weeks, just to be safe.

I think you have to know for yourself what "look" you are going for. I have to agree with Storm that #4 looks promising, although it could look a little busy for its size. There is no grading report online, but I wouldn''t be surprised if the pavilion has 4 or 5 step cuts.

#1 looks a little darkish under the table, but it might be nice. The windmills aren''t as big as the other stones you posted, but this is a matter of personal preference.

#2 might be nice. The windmills are a little wider and the stone is shallower than #1.

I didn''t see a lot of contrast in the image for #3. The pavilion has 4 step-cuts, but from this image, I''m not seeing the benefit.

I''m not an expert, but from what I''ve seen there are a few different styles for asschers and I think you need to figure out what you want. Some asschers, like #4, have many contrasting facets. Some people love this look, others think it''s busy for smaller stones. Some asschers look like the pattern on still water when you drop a rock. Others have a deeper focal point so there is more of a hall-of-mirrors effect. The preferred width of the windmills and the size of the clipped corners are also things you need to decide for yourself.

Glad you are starting early!

 

[Gwyn]

i posted something and then found the answer, oops. I know how to edit topics now i just need to learn how to delete

 

[Gwyn]

Okay, so lets say tha i find a stone (like number 4) that i am interested in. If I cannot go to the place and see it in person first, what kind of additional photos should i ask for/order. I hear people metion sarans and things like that. the only thing i see on james allens website is the request a grading report ( i think this is because it has yet to be AGS graded) good old gold has links to view saran and helium. and some other reports. what should i be looking for

 

[Gwyn]

can someone explain what that circular thing is in the center of the diamond. Ithe report says it is a cloud/pinpoint, what is that exactly and how does that affect the diamond to the naked eye. online I found the following information: "Cloud:
A cluster of very small inclusions inside a diamond that give a cloud effect. Tiny clouds will not interfere with the flow of light, but large or numerous clouds can affect brilliance." how do you know what is large and what is tiny?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=992166


i was thinkign of getting more information on this diamond since the photo looks so smudgy is 1.05 ratio a very large difference? I was told to get as close to 1.0 as possible but i am unsure how noticeable a .05 difference is

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=859653

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 2/18/2007 9:50:50 PM
Author: Gwyn
Okay, so lets say tha i find a stone (like number 4) that i am interested in. If I cannot go to the place and see it in person first, what kind of additional photos should i ask for/order. I hear people metion sarans and things like that. the only thing i see on james allens website is the request a grading report ( i think this is because it has yet to be AGS graded) good old gold has links to view saran and helium. and some other reports. what should i be looking for

crown height is a good thing to know he has an ogi scanner and can get that.
ASET pictures are prefered IS is ok and just regular pictures under different lighting is sometimes good enough.

 

[strmrdr]

its a cloud in the picture which is a group of small inclusions vs2 will generaly be small if its a si and the cloud is the grade maker it would be considered large.

I wouldnt bother with the last one you posted.

 

[Gwyn]

Anyone on this board have an "H" colored Asscher? If so, I was wondering if you could give me some insight as to how you like/dislike the coloring. I have been having alot of trouble finding asschers in general in my area and I have yet to see an "h" to get any kind of feel for them. I was looking at the two of these stones thinking I might want to go up a little bit in size (between 1 and 1.5 or so carats) but I don''t want to spend more then 10K or so on the stone.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=957078http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&module=diamond&item=957078

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=860248



http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=860248

 

[curiopotter]

here''s a thread with an H colored diamond. https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/im-engaged-asscher-ring-pics.49872/

You should ask Asscher_Girl for more pictures, and if she likes hers.

I have an H and I absolutely love the color.. no yellow, just icy white. If you''re having a hard time finding the right color for your asscher, try looking at the emerald cuts. It''s basically the same cut, the best way to simplify it is that the asscher is just the square version of an emerald cut. Having something with a step-cut like an emerald cut will allow you to see how much the diamond shows it''s color, since asschers generally don''t reflect tons of white light like a round brilliant, and show more true color.

Personally, I''d have no qualms about getting an H to get a larger stone.

 

[strmrdr]

I love h colored asschers.
Im not that thrilled with either you posted however.
But the second one is worth getting more pictures of.