Asscher Opinions.....(it ''''looks'''' great in person!!!)

[sollars9082]

it''s an E.G.L. cert.......i''ll give you what it says.

1.50 cts
H
VVS2

6.65 x 6.33 x 4.24

total depth: 67%
table width: 71%
Crown height: 10%
pavilion depth: 54%
girdle: medium, polished

good/good
culet: none
Graining: Nil
Flour: very slight blue

be brutally honest......i''m looking for the ''''technical guru'''' stuff here.... i know that i like it, and it looks awesome in person.......but i''m looking for technical info

thanks folks.
matt

 

[RockDoc]

I think you very honestly have to ask yourself, if you''d know the difference. How many good asschers have you seen? Have you compared it to a Royal Asscher?

If you''re not sure then get an expert to look and test the stone for you.

Do you know if you''ve really seen the "cats meow" so you can reasonably compare them?

Rockdoc

 

[strmrdr]

yuck is my opinion on it.

 

[sollars9082]

strmrdr.........

can you expound on ''''yuck''''........what specifically is bad......give me as much detail as possible please......i''m trying to learn some of this stuff and i think the best way is to ask professionals.

thanks for the detailed input.
matt

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 6/14/2006 3:25:46 PM
Author:sollars9082
it''s an E.G.L. cert for starters, most folks here prefer GIA or AGS certs, believing EGL to be not so "tough" at grading ... i.e. an EGL "H" might be a GIA "I" or even "J"
1.50 cts generally stones just at 1.5, price jump mark, might not be cut for beauty but for ct. weight -- that said, I have one, so, personal choice
H stepcuts show a lot of color ... I have a GIA "H" -- this might show more color than desirable
VVS2 I like high clarity, some folks think its a waste of $$
6.65 x 6.33 x 4.24 this isn''t exactly square -- takes a "grading" hit for it in Stmdr''s eyes
total depth: 67% not a bad depth except for ...
table width: 71% the fact that the TABLE is BIGGER than the depth. BIG NO NO (imo)
Crown height: 10% just "ok" - not good, not great. Crown heights over 13% are most desired
pavilion depth: 54% no comment
girdle: medium, polished fine
good/good in jewelry terms, "good" kinda means "fair" -- symmetry is VERY imp. in Asschers
culet: none fine
Graining: Nil no comment
Flour: very slight blue this could be cool -- but doesn''t make up for all other "flaws" IMHO

There are many tutorials on buying nice Asschers on here, many written by Stmdr. If you read even one you''ll be able to pick out the same stuff in my comments above ... e.g. -- how this stone doesn''t jibe with the "most desireable" stats.

They''re tricky little boogers, Asschers. Good luck!

 

[sollars9082]

was there a reason for the ''''no comments'''' or just didn''t know much info on those??

it''s the percentages, etc, that i get all jacked up on.

why is the table being bigger than the depth a big issue??? not defensive....just ignorant.

thanks.
keep it coming....looking for strmdr to chime in.

 

[Gypsy]

You need to do a search on the word asscher and specs. And use the tutorials. The information is out there, look it up. That asscher.... in a word... sucks. As for table and depth quickly (you REALLY need to run some searches on here and look at that tutorial), for every cut there are standards established by experts, these standards are what a cut has to conform to. The better it conforms to these standards, the better the cut is. One of those standards is the depth/ table thing... asschers without the right relationship between these perform badly in terms of light performance and other factors. Another HUGE problem with your stone is the symmetry as deco said, this is KEY for asschers.


After you do some searches and educate yourself a bit, come back on here and tell us what you''ve figured out... and then we''ll help you. But first, you have to help yourself.

 

[strmrdr]

Sorry didn''t have a lot of time earlier, busy day at work.

It is possible that that is the best asscher you have seen because unless you find a dealer who knows them most of them will be cut for weight not looks.

The biggest downgrade on that stone is the 71% table combined with a 10% crown height that means the crown facets beside the table are going to be tiny and that kills fire.

Unknown EGL cert is another deal killer the EGL-usa labs are good but a lot of the other EGL labs can be way off.

The cutters of the best asschers send them to GIA and eventually also to AGS.
The second and third string stones get sent elsewhere.

There are several threads in the FAQ with good info.
In this thread you can see my understanding of them expand as I study them its a good start point with the best info towards the end.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/all-about-asschers.24689/

There are also some other threads worth checking out there.

Then do a search for asscher in the "show me the ring" forum and in "rocky talky" and look at some of the picture of asschers others have looked at and bought.
Then if you have any questions I will be happy to answer them or if you need some leads on internet vendors but I think by reading the threads you will know who to talk to about them.

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 6/14/2006 6:30:08 PM
Author: Gypsy
You need to do a search on the word asscher and specs. And use the tutorials. The information is out there, look it up. That asscher.... in a word... sucks. As for table and depth quickly (you REALLY need to run some searches on here and look at that tutorial), for every cut there are standards established by experts, these standards are what a cut has to conform to. The better it conforms to these standards, the better the cut is. One of those standards is the depth/ table thing... asschers without the right relationship between these perform badly in terms of light performance and other factors. Another HUGE problem with your stone is the symmetry as deco said, this is KEY for asschers.


After you do some searches and educate yourself a bit, come back on here and tell us what you've figured out... and then we'll help you. But first, you have to help yourself.

Gypsy,
I'm sorry but that's very harsh of you. Asscher's are very hard to figure out. You can read the tutorials and still come away being confused. I like to go by what my eyes see. That's why I ask posters for pics. They tell us so much about the patterns, windmills etc.. If it's well cut etc.. I don't wear numbers on my hand so I go with my eyes. For me the numbers are a guidline, no more and no less. Sollars, good luck in your search. We will be happy to help you along the way.

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 6/14/2006 7:36:22 PM
Author: Kaleigh

Date: 6/14/2006 6:30:08 PM
Author: Gypsy
You need to do a search on the word asscher and specs. And use the tutorials. The information is out there, look it up. That asscher.... in a word... sucks. As for table and depth quickly (you REALLY need to run some searches on here and look at that tutorial), for every cut there are standards established by experts, these standards are what a cut has to conform to. The better it conforms to these standards, the better the cut is. One of those standards is the depth/ table thing... asschers without the right relationship between these perform badly in terms of light performance and other factors. Another HUGE problem with your stone is the symmetry as deco said, this is KEY for asschers.


After you do some searches and educate yourself a bit, come back on here and tell us what you've figured out... and then we'll help you. But first, you have to help yourself.

Gypsy,
I'm sorry but that's very harsh of you. Asscher's are very hard to figure out. You can read the tutorials and still come away being confused. I like to go by what my eyes see. That's why I ask posters for pics. They tell us so much about the patterns, windmills etc.. If it's well cut etc.. I don't wear numbers on my hand so I go with my eyes. For me the numbers are a guidline, no more and no less. Anyway, good luck in your search. We will be happy to help you along the way.

Why are you sorry? I'm the one who was harsh. Sorry, just read that through and the tone IS very harsh... much harsher than I intended. I'm the one who is sorry. My appologies sollars. Kaleigh, thanks for calling me on that.

 

[isaku5]

Sollars...The asscher shape is by far the toughest to figure out "ideal proportions" for.

As I have come to learn from the great people on PS, there are certain guidelines to follow. These were pointed out earlier by decodelighted and Storm so I won''t add to what they have said as they are definitely experts.

The stone you are considering does not look very appealing on paper, but your eyes saw it in person and you liked what you saw - very important with fancy cuts.

My advice would be to look at more asschers and , if possible, post pictures. There are many helpful folks on PS and we all love to see and hear about that asscher shape.

Pricescope is a great place to get valuable opinions. so bring ''em on!!!

 

[sollars9082]

thanks for all the responses.

i was never offended, nor did i take anything as ''''too harsh''''......(i teach 8th graders all day everyday.....my skin is as thick as a rhino''s!!)

i really appreciate the help.

i''m still looking and will let you know...or post pics of whatever it is when i get it.
thanks again
matt

 

[UCLABelle]

Kaleigh- You are by far my favorite PS poster

You seem to always be right!!! No matter what you seem to be talking about!!!! I hope when I move to Philly in September (remember, I am going to Penn!) that we could meet!!!!!

Anyway, I agree with Kaleigh, I have an asscher and seeing it is one of the best ways of determining whether or not it is to your fancy!

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 6/19/2006 4:10:00 PM
Author: UCLABelle
Kaleigh- You are by far my favorite PS poster

You seem to always be right!!! No matter what you seem to be talking about!!!! I hope when I move to Philly in September (remember, I am going to Penn!) that we could meet!!!!!

Anyway, I agree with Kaleigh, I have an asscher and seeing it is one of the best ways of determining whether or not it is to your fancy!

Oh good lord, no I''m not, but very nice of you to say. Of course I remember that you''ll be at Penn. My daughter is going to be living in the Quad, and would love to meet up with you. That would be great!!!

 

[diagem]

Date: 6/14/2006 5:00:07 PM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 6/14/2006 3:25:46 PM
Author:sollars9082
it''s an E.G.L. cert for starters, most folks here prefer GIA or AGS certs, believing EGL to be not so ''tough'' at grading ... i.e. an EGL ''H'' might be a GIA ''I'' or even ''J''
1.50 cts generally stones just at 1.5, price jump mark, might not be cut for beauty but for ct. weight -- that said, I have one, so, personal choice
H stepcuts show a lot of color ... I have a GIA ''H'' -- this might show more color than desirable
VVS2 I like high clarity, some folks think its a waste of $$
6.65 x 6.33 x 4.24 this isn''t exactly square -- takes a ''grading'' hit for it in Stmdr''s eyes *ok if you prefer slightly elongated!
total depth: 67% not a bad depth except for ...
table width: 71% the fact that the TABLE is BIGGER than the depth. BIG NO NO (imo) *table UNDER 62% (my opinion preferably -60%!
Crown height: 10% just ''ok'' - not good, not great. Crown heights over 13% are most desired *Crown way too flat!!!
pavilion depth: 54% no comment*means weight distribution is located on the pavilion!!!

girdle: medium, polished fine
good/good in jewelry terms, ''good'' kinda means ''fair'' -- symmetry is VERY imp. in Asschers
culet: none fine
Graining: Nil no commentFlour: very slight blue this could be cool -- but doesn''t make up for all other ''flaws'' IMHO
Suggestion... KEEP LOOKING, and use the info on this site... (you''ll get a great stone...)

There are many tutorials on buying nice Asschers on here, many written by Stmdr. If you read even one you''ll be able to pick out the same stuff in my comments above ... e.g. -- how this stone doesn''t jibe with the ''most desireable'' stats.

They''re tricky little boogers, Asschers. Good luck!