ASET and pricescope vendors?

[joycer]

Two questions about the new AGS ASET,

For vendors:
Will you be making ASET images a standard part of the light return analysis you offer online?
Do you have any photos of how your top performing diamonds look like under the ASET?
What I mean is that if I was to pick almost any one of your diamonds, I''d know what to expect, with some slight variations in the idealscope/lightscope/firescope image. Will this be the same for the ASET images, or will the position of colors change a lot from diamond to diamond?

For anyone who can comment:
Has anyone seen an Eightstar under the ASET? What does the image look like? Is it consitent for all Eightstars (like the firescope image) or is there a large variation? Is it consistent with what the best diamonds would look like as their image is in the firescope?
The reason I ask, is I understand that 8* has been using a Gilbertson Scope for some time which I believe is similar to the ASET. I am wondering if they are still have the same consistency/quality with ASET as the Firescope since they would have been using the Gilbertson scope for a long time.

Just starting to get the hang of the idealscope/firescope/lightscope images, and now this!

Appreciate your comments.
-joycer

 

[Maxine]

Stay tuned to Pricescope....Rhino said that he was going to start doing some photography today.....And he said he will post that!!!!!

 

[WinkHPD]

With the small hand helds we have currently it is difficult to get a decent photo, but they will be coming.

I have looked at much of my inventory with the ASET since I returned, including my EightStars. You will not have much trouble adjusting to the ASET and it will tell you even more about your stone than the idealscope.

By the way, I saw comments about green table reflections being bad. This is emphatically not necessarily true as many diamonds with AGS 0 cut grades are cut with angles less than 40.76 degrees. This is merely the angle at which the color of the table reflection changes, not the angle at which stones become not AGS 0 cut grade candidates.

Wink

 

[perry]

So if someone wanted to purchase the hand held ASET and the light table - where would they get it from? I presume that they would also get the chart as well.

Perry

 

[Rhino]

Wink is correct. Dark green under the table is not a bad thing and I''ve confirmed it with Mr. Yantzer as well. A point of note also confirmed for me ... a green "eye" is not a disqualifying factor from Ideals to non ideals in the new system. I''ve been able to photograph through the handheld ASET but am working on different configurations at this time since it is very difficult to photograph through the handheld.

 

[JohnQuixote]

Rhino,

Maybe you missed my post back on page 3 in the other thread, but I tried to stop yous guys from crying wolf on this. Wink was just providing interesting info.

 

[Rhino]

gotcha ... I''ve been hella busy when I got back and haven''t had a chance to read every detail in that thread. thanks John.

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 6/9/2005 8:01:29 PM
Author: perry
So if someone wanted to purchase the hand held ASET and the light table - where would they get it from? I presume that they would also get the chart as well.


Perry

The current hand helds are not cheap, the sell for $100. I will have some and I am sure that Davve Atlas will also, maybe Rhino but I am not about to speak for him when he speaks so elequently for himself.

Gary Holloway already has them too, and AGS tells me that eventually they will build a model so inexpensive that jewelers can give them away.

Wink

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 6/10/2005 12:12:47 AM
Author: Rhino
gotcha ... I''ve been hella busy when I got back and haven''t had a chance to read every detail in that thread. thanks John.

HEE HEE! Not often you catch Rhino without all the latest greatest information. Good thing we snagged you on this one quickly, cause you will be teaching all of us in a few more days.

Good to see you, wish we could have hooked up in Vegas!

Wink

 

[Rhino]

Feeling is mutual Wink. You were one person I really wanted to meet face to face. I have a feeling when we do it''ll be almost like catching up on old times as you already seem like a brother to me.

ew ... that sounded gushy.

I''ve been examing stones of various proportions and playing with lens all day. I think I have unlocked the key to the mysteries behind this darn thang but I want to spend a little more time and ask a few more questions before I draw or post any solid conclusions. I''ve been in email today with Pete and he has been a tremendous help in the questions I am raising as I''m examing stones.

One that comes to mind which I''ll be forwarding tomorrow is this ... if you know the answer please let me know.

All of this talk about the 40.768 pavilion ... not one person has answered me this ...

Is this angle (and resulting change in color from red to green) DEPENDANT upon any particular crown angle combination? Ie. will the "eye" turn green at less than 40.768 regardless of the crown angles that are coupled with it or is it dependant upon certain crown angle combinations?

If this is posted in the other thread already, my apologies if I didn''t catch it but this is one I''ll be getting an answer on tomorrow. Night time for Rhino.

Peace,

 

[WinkHPD]

I don''t know, but Pete does. Or at least his mathmatical genius does. I think this one is independant of the crown angle, that would be my guess, but I will look forward to hearing the answer from someone who knows...

Wink

 

[JohnQuixote]

The large chart I have shows green in the eye of the table for all rounds with a PA< the given 40.768 degrees, regardless of crown angle (CAs running from 29-40 degrees). Several smaller charts illustrate it this way as well.

I found 1 exception that must be an anomoly: It shows 40.75PA 35CA with no green in the eye - but that chart serves a separate purpose.

I've asked AGS if I can post these illustrations, but have not heard back yet.

 

[WinkHPD]

John,

I asked Peter Yantzer about posting this information and he said to ask Jim. I asked Jim and he said it was not a problem so long as proper attribution was given. They WANT this information distributed to both the trade AND the public!

Wink

 

[Rhino]

I posted in the other ASET thread. It is confirmed ... the red/green "eye" is strictly a table/paviloin relationship and is not dependant in any way upon crown angles.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Correct

 

[JohnQuixote]

Date: 6/11/2005 8:10:49 AM
Author: Wink
John,

I asked Peter Yantzer about posting this information and he said to ask Jim. I asked Jim and he said it was not a problem so long as proper attribution was given. They WANT this information distributed to both the trade AND the public!

Wink

Perhaps, but we've been a bit knee-jerky in our brouhaha about the 'new toys'

- so I'm going to press pause until I hear back from them on a Q or 2.

I suspect the boys at the lab may have a few laughs if they dial up that other thread.

EDITED TO ADD: If interested, see this thread in RockyTalky that answers the 40.768 color change 'mystery.' (AGS ASET 40.768 Pavilion 'On the ledge'.