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First off I am glad I found you guys & gals.I have been kinda looking and learning on here for a couple weeks and I must say WOW what a crash coarse to get into..I am gonna try and do this thing before Christmas and do not want to make a big mistake in getting the stone as its alot of money to me,but its been a long time comeing. I have been in contact with a few places on here as well and they all seem to be nice..I think I have to it in the area of a Round---Ideal/Ex cut (harts-n-aarows type---G,H ---VS2/Vs1 1.75 carat or better stone. I want the best bang for my buck as everybody and get lost in the angles and %. I am will to go lower on carat for quility if need be. I can go look at diamonds all day and here their spill to why I need theirs and not yours .But honestly I don''t trust myself enough to know what I am looking at in person and hate the feeling I could have later by getting some sort of steep deep or other flaw I know nothing about.So I guess I am looking for some sort of forum consenus from you all on a online diamond and vendor that is trustworthy to give my hard earned money to..I have been putting certian diamonds in the tool and getting good results but don''t really know what out ways what. The perfect stone with the most bling for my money.Upgrade later is also important...Thanks in advance for anyhelp....Great board..



JJ
 
Date: 11/25/2009 1:53:51 PM
Author:jjinindy
First off I am glad I found you guys & gals.I have been kinda looking and learning on here for a couple weeks and I must say WOW what a crash coarse to get into..I am gonna try and do this thing before Christmas and do not want to make a big mistake in getting the stone as its alot of money to me,but its been a long time comeing. I have been in contact with a few places on here as well and they all seem to be nice..I think I have to it in the area of a Round---Ideal/Ex cut (harts-n-aarows type---G,H ---VS2/Vs1 1.75 carat or better stone. I want the best bang for my buck as everybody and get lost in the angles and %. I am will to go lower on carat for quility if need be. I can go look at diamonds all day and here their spill to why I need theirs and not yours .But honestly I don't trust myself enough to know what I am looking at in person and hate the feeling I could have later by getting some sort of steep deep or other flaw I know nothing about.So I guess I am looking for some sort of forum consenus from you all on a online diamond and vendor that is trustworthy to give my hard earned money to..I have been putting certian diamonds in the tool and getting good results but don't really know what out ways what. The perfect stone with the most bling for my money.Upgrade later is also important...Thanks in advance for anyhelp....Great board..



JJ
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Hi JJ

I will take a look to see what I can find for you....Also if an upgrade is important to you as you mention then it is best to stick to vendors with the most generous upgrade policies. If you would consider I colour and verified eyeclean SI1 clarity that would help the budget and broaden the options.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2192369.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-1466936.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-2141789.htm# ( non h&a of excellent cut)

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2169556.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2163496.htm ( non h&a)

http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2163494.htm ( non h&a)

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2145436.htm ( non h&a)

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6345/ ( non h&a)
 
Date: 11/25/2009 2:21:17 PM
Author: MissGotRocks
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2145436.htm

I did just see this one. Lorelei will certainly see this one too along with others. She''s a good picker!!
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Thanks so far,,LoL a couple of those are pending sales already..Would an I-VS1 or a G-SI1 get more or less fire or would an I affect my trade up later..As long as nothing is caught by the human eye I am with it, I am not sure if their will ever be a time that any of our friends break out a 10Xer on her finger.With that being said I do want it to hold its own when I go back to get something better.And also @ a 1.75 what would your ideal specs be if it were you. I have seen different spec's for different sizes. Thanks again for taking time for me.

Whats your thoughts on this bad boy? 1.1 on the cut advisor.
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2163495.htm

JJ
 
Date: 11/25/2009 5:15:03 PM
Author: jjinindy
Thanks so far,,LoL a couple of those are pending sales already..Would an I-VS1 or a G-SI1 get more or less fire or would an I affect my trade up later..As long as nothing is caught by the human eye I am with it, I am not sure if their will ever be a time that any of our friends break out a 10Xer on her finger.With that being said I do want it to hold its own when I go back to get something better.And also @ a 1.75 what would your ideal specs be if it were you. I have seen different spec''s for different sizes. Thanks again for taking time for me.

Whats your thoughts on this bad boy? 1.1 on the cut advisor.
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2163495.htm

JJ
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Fire is not determined by color or clarity - fire is determined by cut. An I or a G won''t give you more or less fire.

The only thing that affects your trade-in later is the amount of money you pay for the stone - provided the vendor has a trade in policy.

The specs aren''t different for different sizes of the same type of stone. Specs for rounds are the same - specs for princess cut are the same, etc.

As far as the stone you have selected, it is very pretty and falls within the ideal cut range. A 1.1 score on the HCA is great too but the HCA doesn''t select great stones - it just helps weed out the less preferred ones. Whiteflash is a very reputable company and their ACA cut is their top of the line cut so no worries there.

There are lots of tutorials here regarding cut, color and clarity grading. There are also many wonderful members here that are glad to answer any questions you might have.
 
There are some nice options at Brian Gavin as well and I can personally vouch for the beauty of their stones and the excellent service!
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Here are a couple to consider, going to an eyeclean SI1 will give you a little more bang for your buck:

AGS-1040381680004 Brian Gavin H&A 1.721 G SI1 56.7 61.5 7.68 7.7 4.73 $15,585.00
AGS-1040376130006 Brian Gavin H&A 1.767 H SI1 56.1 61.6 7.75 7.78 4.78 $14,780.00

Their full diamond listing can be found here.

Lesley is wonderful to work with, she''d be more than happy to send you the AGS report and images if you''re interested in any of their stones.
 
Date: 11/25/2009 5:44:59 PM
Author: MissGotRocks

Date: 11/25/2009 5:15:03 PM
Author: jjinindy
Thanks so far,,LoL a couple of those are pending sales already..Would an I-VS1 or a G-SI1 get more or less fire or would an I affect my trade up later..As long as nothing is caught by the human eye I am with it, I am not sure if their will ever be a time that any of our friends break out a 10Xer on her finger.With that being said I do want it to hold its own when I go back to get something better.And also @ a 1.75 what would your ideal specs be if it were you. I have seen different spec''s for different sizes. Thanks again for taking time for me.

Whats your thoughts on this bad boy? 1.1 on the cut advisor.
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2163495.htm

JJ
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Fire is not determined by color or clarity - fire is determined by cut. An I or a G won''t give you more or less fire.

The only thing that affects your trade-in later is the amount of money you pay for the stone - provided the vendor has a trade in policy.

The specs aren''t different for different sizes of the same type of stone. Specs for rounds are the same - specs for princess cut are the same, etc.

As far as the stone you have selected, it is very pretty and falls within the ideal cut range. A 1.1 score on the HCA is great too but the HCA doesn''t select great stones - it just helps weed out the less preferred ones. Whiteflash is a very reputable company and their ACA cut is their top of the line cut so no worries there.

There are lots of tutorials here regarding cut, color and clarity grading. There are also many wonderful members here that are glad to answer any questions you might have.
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Ditto, though the colour of fire will change. My I/J stones have bolder, darker flashes of colour, while my old G had very pastel-coloured fire.
 
Date: 11/25/2009 6:38:19 PM
Author: yssie

Date: 11/25/2009 5:44:59 PM
Author: MissGotRocks


Date: 11/25/2009 5:15:03 PM
Author: jjinindy
Thanks so far,,LoL a couple of those are pending sales already..Would an I-VS1 or a G-SI1 get more or less fire or would an I affect my trade up later..As long as nothing is caught by the human eye I am with it, I am not sure if their will ever be a time that any of our friends break out a 10Xer on her finger.With that being said I do want it to hold its own when I go back to get something better.And also @ a 1.75 what would your ideal specs be if it were you. I have seen different spec''s for different sizes. Thanks again for taking time for me.

Whats your thoughts on this bad boy? 1.1 on the cut advisor.
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2163495.htm

JJ
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Fire is not determined by color or clarity - fire is determined by cut. An I or a G won''t give you more or less fire.

The only thing that affects your trade-in later is the amount of money you pay for the stone - provided the vendor has a trade in policy.

The specs aren''t different for different sizes of the same type of stone. Specs for rounds are the same - specs for princess cut are the same, etc.

As far as the stone you have selected, it is very pretty and falls within the ideal cut range. A 1.1 score on the HCA is great too but the HCA doesn''t select great stones - it just helps weed out the less preferred ones. Whiteflash is a very reputable company and their ACA cut is their top of the line cut so no worries there.

There are lots of tutorials here regarding cut, color and clarity grading. There are also many wonderful members here that are glad to answer any questions you might have.
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Ditto, though the colour of fire will change. My I/J stones have bolder, darker flashes of colour, while my old G had very pastel-coloured fire.
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I have never heard of body color of a stone affecting the color of the fire. I''d still be willing to bet it is the cut and not the color of the stone. Light is reflected off of the facets - not the color of the stone. I''d love to hear some of the experts chime in on this!
 
Date: 11/25/2009 7:20:11 PM
Author: MissGotRocks
I have never heard of body color of a stone affecting the color of the fire.
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I don''t think she meant that it was the main factor, but certainly if a stone if noticeably yellow the light is going to reflect that to some degree.
 
Date: 11/25/2009 7:47:24 PM
Author: Hest88


Date: 11/25/2009 7:20:11 PM
Author: MissGotRocks
I have never heard of body color of a stone affecting the color of the fire.
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I don't think she meant that it was the main factor, but certainly if a stone if noticeably yellow the light is going to reflect that to some degree.
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Yup.

It's not that body colour changes the intensity or presence of fire, just its hue. It may or may not be visible - I do see dark reds and blues out of my almost-k while my old G put out pinks and baby blues.
 
Date: 11/25/2009 5:15:03 PM
Author: jjinindy
Thanks so far,,LoL a couple of those are pending sales already..Would an I-VS1 or a G-SI1 get more or less fire or would an I affect my trade up later..As long as nothing is caught by the human eye I am with it, I am not sure if their will ever be a time that any of our friends break out a 10Xer on her finger.With that being said I do want it to hold its own when I go back to get something better.And also @ a 1.75 what would your ideal specs be if it were you. I have seen different spec''s for different sizes. Thanks again for taking time for me.

Whats your thoughts on this bad boy? 1.1 on the cut advisor.
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2163495.htm

JJ
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Lovely diamond! As to fire it comes down to cut, ACA are crafted with superior visual balance in mind so you will get a good display of fire, brilliance and scintillation from this brand.
 
Where is this stone from? I didn''t look at the GIA report but the WF stone is really a killer in terms of cut. Can you just put in the crown, pavillion, table and depth numbers for us?
 
Sure here is the total spec''s
7.60-7.67x4.74
1.71
F
SI1
Cut X
Depth 62.1%
Table 57%
Crown 35.5%
Crown Height 15.5%
Pavilion 41%
PavilionDepth 43%
Star lenght 50%
Lower half 75%
Slightly thick ,Faceted (3.5%)
Cutlet none
polish X
Symmetry X
FLUorescence =med blue

$14,500
 
Date: 11/29/2009 8:05:24 PM
Author: jjinindy
Sure here is the total spec''s

7.60-7.67x4.74
1.71
F
SI1
Cut X
Depth 62.1%
Table 57%
Crown 35.5%
Crown Height 15.5%
Pavilion 41%
PavilionDepth 43%
Star lenght 50%
Lower half 75%
Slightly thick ,Faceted (3.5%)
Cutlet none
polish X
Symmetry X
FLUorescence =med blue
$14,500
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Pavilion angle is too steep for that crown angle. IS/ASET image will show leakage if the vendor can provide the images.
 
I think you need to decide what color clarity combo you want before you go much further. You were given a bunch of suggestions that would be great stones, now it is up to you to decide! If you want an F color we can help there, or a G or an H...
 
Date: 11/29/2009 8:05:24 PM
Author: jjinindy
Sure here is the total spec''s
7.60-7.67x4.74
1.71
F
SI1
Cut X
Depth 62.1%
Table 57%
Crown 35.5%
Crown Height 15.5%
Pavilion 41%
PavilionDepth 43%
Star lenght 50%
Lower half 75%
Slightly thick ,Faceted (3.5%)
Cutlet none
polish X
Symmetry X
FLUorescence =med blue

$14,500
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It is what we call a steep deep ( lots of current threads discussing these, enter the term steep deep into the search tool to read more). Both crown and pavilion angles are too steep and deep to be a good fit for each other, especially once you start getting pavilion angles much over 41 degrees even with a shallower crown angle this can negatively affect the diamond. It is likely this diamond will show light leakage.
 
Thanks alot. For some reason I did not see the Brian Gavin post above. Now I am looking over their as he has some nice stuff.Dreamer sorry, but I am really not sure at this point as I just want the best stone I can get for my money and this is all new to me.Thanks for looking and taking the time to help me try to decide everyone..


JJ
 
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