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I know there was a thread about this at some point, but I can''t find it (I am not an expert at these forums!) so I thought I''d see if anyone else is dealing with infertlity - we need all the support we can get! I''m actually taking a break from fertlity treatments right now, but it is on my mind.

I''ve had multiple rounds of medicated IUIs (Clomid and injectables) that didn''t work. It''s frustrating because on my first Clomid IUI I did get pregnant (and had great betas and a great first ultrasound with a heartbeat), and then was diagnosed with a missed miscarriage at 9.5 weeks. Three subsequent mediated IUIs didn''t work. My RE is now concerned about uterine scarring from my D and C, so I have to get an SHG at some point. Has anyone had one of these? How much does it hurt? I''m wondering if I''ll need to take the day off afterwards or can go back to work.

Also, I was curious about if people''s insurance covered any form of fertility treatments? Mine covers nothing, so for IVF I''d be paying $25,000 for a shared-risk program. I''m actually having to take some time off for logistical reasons, so I''m kind of in a holding pattern because I am going to be waiting quite a while to do more treatments - I guess more time to figure out where to get that money from!


Anyway, really long post - sorry about that!
 
Wow, $25k sounds high, I thought it averaged $10k to $15k.
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This thread was started awhile back ago https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/anyone-else-out-there-dealing-with-infertility.67099/

Sending you good baby vibes!!!
 
Sorry about your difficulties... and I trust everything will work out OK.

Could it be that it was not meant to be? I know how tough that concept is... see below as I answer your last question.

As for your final question: Also, I was curious about if people''s insurance covered any form of fertility treatments?

Ok - I''m a guy; so this is from a different perspective, but I hope you see the initial humor, and then understand how it relates to your situation:

Back in college I was at the health clinic for some other reason and asked the Female Dr. about another noticeable issue. A problem associated with my testicles. Our college health clinic functions in association with a medical and nursing college and is a training ground for nurses and Dr''s. Thus, anytime something unusual is available they ask permission to show the various medical students... and a half dozen other nursing and Dr students get into the situation.

Essentially, I had (and still have) a varicose vein issue with my testicles; and I was told right then and their (as a college student) that there was a 50% chance that I was sterile, and that could be tested in the future if I wanted to (if I had problems having children when I wanted them). That surgery might be effective, but I''d probably only have one shot at a surgical solution due to scaring if it did not work (so hold off on that until later if needed); and that the best thing I could do to maintain or possibly regain my fertility was to have a very active sex life... (this was a female Dr - and in front of a bunch of interns and nursing students). I hate to disappoint you, but insurance has not covered the cost associated with that fertility prescription.

Now decades later, I have no children. I never married, and while I have generally not overtly tried to get anyone I was dating pregnant; their were several times when I was not that careful - and one period with one person when I knowingly engaged in sex with a person at the "right" times of the month without any protection (i.e. I did not bother me if I got her pregnant - and I did nothing to prevent pregnancy when she could get pregnant: it was more of a "let chance rule" situation). In retrospect, I have to wonder why she did not get pregnant... (of if she did at the end of that - why she did not contact me later as she knew where I was when I left and how to contact me).

The no children thing does bother me at times. But, perhaps it was just not meant to be (I''ve had many years to think on the issue).

I wish you the best and hope things work out. I do not know of anyone where insurance has paid for fertility treatments beyond simple testing and perhaps corrective surgery of an identifiable physical defect (such as attempting to solve a varicose vein issue).

Perry
 
My uncle and his wife went through this. After 8 years and every treatment out there, they simply could not have a child. They realized that it was not meant to be and adopted a Chinese girl. They love her so much that they now have no regrets about the adoption and are actually glad the treatments didn''t work.

I am not trying to discourage you since the treatments work for so many people, just letting you know that even if they don''t work you can still find happiness and have a perfect child to raise.
 
agree with brazen and perry...it's very hard to think about 'giving up' or not having your own child after all the effort, expense, mental ups and downs...but sometimes things are just not meant to be. i don't know that i could mentally go through everything we'd need to if it turned out we could not conceive and we wanted to try alternate methods. there are so many fab children out there that need loving too. anyhow, best of luck on continued efforts, and if it does not work out, pls do consider adoption.

oh and random note as well, we know a couple who did try for 7 years to have a child. i believe they did some IVF and fertility treatments...but nothing worked. well last 4th of july i saw her and she was pregnant! she said 'it only took 7 years' and i am not sure what they did to make it work this time around but the little girl truly is their miracle baby. but MAN...7 years?? i don't think i could do it.
 
Thank you guys for the replies... skippy, I appreciate the link to the old thread I wasn''t able to find! I agree that adoption is a wonderful thing. Right now I''m actually having to take some time off from moving forward in any direction, but it''s still something I think about.

Skippy, btw the 25,000 I quote was for what''s called a shared-risk program. If accepted into the program, you are able to do a certain number of IVF cycles, and if all fail, you get your money back. So more money up front, but the potential to get the money back if it doesn''t work (and apply it towards adoption!)
 
My insurance pays for part of fertility medicine but not the procedure. Our doctor also has the shared risk program- I think it''s $21,000 for 6 tries. We did 4 rounds of IUI with injectibles/stims and I did manage to get pregnant but it was a chemical pregnancy. I do know someone whose insurance pays for 3 IUIs and 3 IVFs and one of my best friend''s husband''s insurance paid for all fertility treatments.

Our dr told us our chances of conceiving without IVF was about 20% but we knew from the start, we didn''t want to pursue IVF, even with the shared program. It just wasn''t worth it to us to put my body through 6 tries of medicine, etc. to have to get our money back.

So, we are moving forward with adoption and are super excited! I know it sounds terrible, but I was kinda relieved when the last IUI failed, b/c I really didn''t want to be pregnant. I''m a strong believer in adoption, especially since I myself am adopted.

Good luck!
 
I know nothing about IVFs but I recently read an article in the paper about women getting accupuncture for infertility. I''ll try to get a link for the article.
 
good luck with the treatments. I hope it works out the way you want, whether a natural child or adoption. If there''s a will you''ll find a way! Treatments I''ve heard are tough so hang in there!

logan - congrats on your decision to adopt! How wonderful. Keep us informed. My husband is adopted and I think it''s the most selfless gift a mother can give to her newborn - a better life. Good luck with everything!
 
Hi! I just want to let you know I''m here to support you.
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We''re dealing with male infertility issues. We''re in the beginning stages of things. He''s got 100% poor morphology due to prescription drugs.
We''re waiting on the results of a SA he recently submitted. Unless there is a miracle drug or something we or the Dr''s can do to help the morphology than we will be headed for IVF w/ICSI.

I''m in Canada. Each IVF treatment is $5000 not including any drugs ($500-$3000). The IVF w/ICSI is roughly ablout $10K (on the high side) and no, our insurance does not cover any of it. I believe we can claim the fertility drugs as an medical expense at tax time though.
I like the shared risk program that you have. I wish we had it here in Canada. At least you can get the money back. But do you get all of it back? Up here, if it doesn''t work your shelling out another $10k for another treatment and another after that if it doesn''t work. It''s costly but it will be worth it.

I wish you the best and sending you lots of baby dust!
 
Dear questionaboutsettings,

When I read the advice perry and others offered you above, I remembered my own experience. First, let me say that I really wouldn't have been very open to hearing that "maybe it just wasn't meant to be" if I was deeply invested in having a biological child. One of my best friends was only interested in a biological child with her husband and when he was infertile, she chose to be childless although he was open to adoption or to their conceiving a child with the help of a sperm donor. Despite the choice she made, she mourned her inability to have children with him and felt deep envy when she saw his brothers and their wives having children.

I was lucky that my need to have a biological child did not run that deep. The other day I was reading an old thread on Pricescope and I came upon a posting I had written. It was in response to Mara, who had, apparently, been speculating on what her children might look like. My response from the old thread is in quotation marks. It seems very a propos to this thread.

Date: 1/21/2006 2:51:58 PM
Author: Mara

Well, we're not really 'planning' anything...but if we do have kids we wonder what they will look like.


My response:

"I used to do that :-). I have told my story before, so if you have seen it before, just skip my posting :-).

My husband is fair skinned with blue eyes and dark blonde/light brown hair. My uh...natural hair color is almost black, but I have fair skin, blonde eyebrows, and green eyes. My mother has blue eyes. So I used to dream of a fair skinned, blue-eyed baby with dark blonde to very dark hair.

When we didn't conceive, I made my first call to an adoption agency. I had some friends who had adopted previously and they had a baby from Korea. I thought the Korean babies I had seen were the most beautiful babies in the world! I really wanted one, too. But the adoption agency told me Korea was closed. ("Sources" open and close due to political considerations over time.) I was heartbroken!!!

That first agency told me I could contact the Latin American Parents Association and that they would help me adopt from South America. But I had had my heart set on a beautiful Korean baby. Would I like a South American one?

So I started to attend LAPA (Latin American Parents Association) socials. I saw some South American Indian babies, children from countries like Bolivia where not everyone is mestizo, and I fell in love with their looks. I cannot tell you how much I loved holding the other families' babies! I wanted a chubby, brown little Indian girl like those of the LAPA moms who had managed to get their babies. I cannot tell you how gorgeous those little girls were; each had a face more perfect than the last one!

We went through the adoption process, deciding to adopt from an orphanage in Colombia.

Well...due to a glitch in travel plans, I arrived in Colombia during the weekend when the orphanage was closed. Instead of meeting me at the orphanage, the Director of the orphanage had me come to her home. She was (and is) the daughter of a former President of Colombia and her mother (the former first lady) was also at her home. I was introduced then ushered over to the couch. On the couch sat the "foster mother" with a baby in her arms. The baby was fair as can be with the bluest of blue eyes and spiky black hair. I couldn't believe that that beautiful child could be meant for me! I really couldn't believe she was going to be mine!

Then I took my daughter in my arms and thought, "So this is what she was supposed to look like!"

All my dreams were wrong. Every baby I wanted was not meant for me. I didn't get any of the babies I dreamed of. Instead I got the perfect one, the one meant for me. So I thank God for unanswered prayers :-)."

Deb
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QAS - sorry to see that you have to start the same sort of thread I did a few months back. I''ve been there too with the early miscarriage (though I had crap betas, good ultrasounds x2, and then started spotting and miscarried on my own) in January, so I''m really sorry to hear that you had to go through that and then the frustration of the next 3 tries not working. So far I''ve done clomid for 4 cycles with timed intercourse, and femara for one (that''s what got me pregnant the one time). I''m on my next femara cycle again now, waiting for AF to finish and DH to get back from a business trip on CD14. I splurged on the OV-watch, hoping it might help me with the BD timing, so I''m using it for the first time this month. I had a lot of trouble emotionally with taking an enforced break last month during my first post-miscarriage cycle (DH was far away on business then entire time I had fertile cervical mucus).

I had a sonohysterogram as part of my fertility workup a while back. As far as I remember, I took 1000mg tylenol and 400-600mg ibuprofen about an hour before when I thought the SHG would take place to give the meds time to kick in. I''ve never had a problem with paps or anything, so the speculum part was totally fine. Then they prepped with betadine, and put the little catheter in the cervix. I don''t remember that bothering me too much. Injecting the saline for contrast was definitely crampy and relatively nasty, but it was pretty short-lived. I wonder if one of my tubes might have been a little clogged and that let the pressure build up a little more than usual? Not sure. I think I was post call that day, so I had the day off anyhow, but I don''t remember being in much pain for long afterwards - maybe a little crampy (mild) for 30min, and then I was fine? It can''t have been too bad if I can barely remember the whole thing now, only a few months later.

My insurance right now as a medical resident covers drugs 100%, which I was surprised to see. So I hope if we do have to move on to IVF, we do it in the next 6 months or so so I can hopefully get the drugs paid for. Even some of the mucus-enhancing stuff my RE prescribed is covered: guiafenesin (I''m sure I spelled that wrong), slow-release B6...

How old are you? Do you and DH have a dx? I''ve got PCOS, and I''m pretty sure I''ve got a luteal phase defect and ovulation problems. I think the fact that you got pregnant once has to be a really good sign (though I know lots of people hate it when you say that after a loss, I''m trying to keep positive for myself in eactly the same way right now). Maybe while you''re waiting to do more treatments you could try something like the OV-watch or the Ovacue (I bought the OVwatch before I found out about the OvaCue or CueII) to help optimize BD timing in case a miracle happens naturally? One online friend of mine was just getting into the adoption process after nearly 4 years of infertility, and had one night of BD action with her DH between trips of his, and found out last month that she''s finally pregnant (she miscarried last year too). She attributes it to just being totally relaxed cause she''d given up hope. I''m trying for a more relaxed attitude myself this month - we''ll see if I''m any good at that! And another online friend is now pregnant with twins from her first round of IVF (severe male factor). I''m kind of jealous, but hope the luck passes my way sometime soon.

OK, you thought you had a really long post?? I''ve got you beat! I''m glad you''ve revived this topic, cause I know there are quite a few of us out there who do need the support. And seeing the flurry of quick/unexpected BFPs on here recently has been a little hard too, not that anyone else''s luck is taking away from mine, but still...

Hope things work out for you before you have to go for the expensive IVF! A great board for IVF stuff is www.ivfconnections.com from what I remember reading about years ago, in case you need to research anything or have questions.

Kate
 
Date: 3/9/2008 10:30:24 PM
Author: drk

So far I've done clomid for 4 cycles with timed intercourse, and femara for one (that's what got me pregnant the one time). I'm on my next femara cycle again now, waiting for AF to finish and DH to get back from a business trip on CD14. I splurged on the OV-watch, hoping it might help me with the BD timing, so I'm using it for the first time this month.

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My insurance right now as a medical resident covers drugs 100%, which I was surprised to see. So I hope if we do have to move on to IVF, we do it in the next 6 months or so so I can hopefully get the drugs paid for. Even some of the mucus-enhancing stuff my RE prescribed is covered: guiafenesin (I'm sure I spelled that wrong), slow-release B6...
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Kate,

It's good to get an update on your situation. I hope good things happen soon. My friend who underwent years of fertility treatments during her first, eleven year, marriage then adopted a baby boy with her second husband. As most of us do, they had a limited amount of money and had to decide whether to try IVF once or to adopt a second child with the money they had. They decided to try IVF once...and had twin girls. I have told the story elsewhere. One pregnancy: three children.

Their are stories of infertility with absolutely magical endings! May yours be another of the many!

Hugs,
Deb
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Hi Questionaboutsettings, I replied to your other post, but I wanted to reply to your thread as well. I am so sorry that you are going through this. My husband and I have been ttc for over 16 months, we are on round 7 of IUI''s, have tried clomid, acupuncture, drank Chinese herbs, pre-seed, meditation, stood on my head after sex, yoga, injectibles, progesterone, geritol complete, prayed, drank green tea, cut off caffeine, had an SHG (not painful really, was fine afterwards...it''s more invasive, but if you have had several rounds of IUI''s, you are used to it a bit more) and are now going to give IVF with ICSI a try. It is more costly than IVF alone, but has a higher success for people dealing with male fertility factors. Good luck to you!!!
 
Logan Sapphire, that is great that you are moving forward with adoption!!! I hope the process goes very smoothly!

CdnBlingGal, I''m sorry you''re dealing with infertlity - just wondering, does poor morphology from perscription drugs have the ablity to change once the drugs are stopped? We have MF issues as well. I think with the shared-risk program, if you go through the designated number of cycles and it never works, you do get all your money back - but you don''t get it all back if you don''t complete all the cycles. And $25,000 is so much money!

AGBF, thank you so much for sharing your experience - your story is sweet and inspiring. :)

drk, I think I remember your posts from the other infertlity thread - I am so sorry to hear about your miscarriage. Taking breaks are hard, aren''t they? I''m actually taking a break for quite a while (at least 1.5 years) after being benched with an ovarian cyst last cycle. It''s pretty frustrating, but I didn''t want to try to do more aggressive treatments with my job. I''m actually a resident also, and it does not seem to be compatible. Of course, that''s just my specific situation, and I have a while to go in residency. Are you towards the end of your program? That is so awesome that your insurance covers drugs. I keep thinking it will be easier down the line, but I guess I just kind of have to think that, you know? I am in my late twenties, and it is kind of hard to wait. My RE basically told me there''s not a chance of natural conception. I have a luteal phase defect, some sx of PCOS (but don''t meet diagnostic criteria), and we have moderate MF as well. Also possible scarring from my D and C. Ugh! I agree it''s important to think positively about being able to get pregnant once - though difficult because of all the what-if''s (what if that was my one shot? etc.) I hope you have great luck with your femara cycle - do you have a plan for at what point you''ll move on to IUI''s, etc? Though I hope you get a BFP this month and don''t have to worry about it!
Btw, thanks for the info on the SHG instead, I''m glad it wasn''t too terrible.

ivanadiamond, good luck to you!!! I hope you get a BFP and don''t need IVF after all. :)
 
Hi everyone,

I don''t post often, but I thought I should reply to this thread. Someone already mentioned trying acupuncture for infertility and I wanted to add some more info.

I''m actually an acupuncturist who specializes in infertility and have had a lot of good success with issues like high FSH, PCOS, advanced maternal age, endometriosis, male factor, irregular cycles and unexplained infertility. If anyone has questions about trying alternative therapies, I''d be happy to help.

There is a great book for those who might be interested:
"The Infertility Cure" by Randine Lewis
I used to work at her clinic. The book has great advice about diet, supplements, improving your health to increase your chances to conceive naturally. Acupuncture is also very helpful during IVF cycles. There was a research article a few years back that showed IVF success rates going from 26% to 42% with acupuncture.
 
questionaboutsettings: We had hoped that the prescriptions were not the factor but in the back of our minds, that was only thing that would cause our infertility issues. The one drug that can hinder the morphology is any kind of steroids. Unfortunately, my DH was on a prescribed steriod called prednisone. He was on a heavy dose. Everyone including his doctors were surprised that he could withstand all the side effects. He had no choice as to whether he wanted to be on it, it was life or death. No one thought to ask whether or not he was ever thinking about having more children at the time.
He had been off the drug for at least 4 years when he had his first SA show the 100% abnormal sperm so I am not sure if the morphoplogy can be reversed after taking such a high dose of steriods. The urologist is definate that the Prednisone is the cause. He is also on 5 different other medications now and we think he will be on them for the rest of his life.

He went and did another SA at the fertility clinic a week ago and we''re waiting now on a call for an Ultrasound appointment. We will find out whether or not the morphology has reversed in time when we see the urologist again.

Hopefully, there will be something that can be done to reverse the effects of the Prednisone or from any of the prescription drugs has done. All we can do is wait.

drk: Thank you for the link to ivfconnections. It''s nice to read all the success stories. I think it gives people who have infertility issues HOPE. A definate site with lots of information.

logon sapphire: Good luck with the adoption process!
 
Date: 3/8/2008 8:41:11 PM
Author: Logan Sapphire

Our dr told us our chances of conceiving without IVF was about 20% but we knew from the start, we didn''t want to pursue IVF, even with the shared program. It just wasn''t worth it to us to put my body through 6 tries of medicine, etc. to have to get our money back.


So, we are moving forward with adoption and are super excited! I know it sounds terrible, but I was kinda relieved when the last IUI failed, b/c I really didn''t want to be pregnant. I''m a strong believer in adoption, especially since I myself am adopted.
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Dear Logan Sapphire,

I do not want to hijack this thread, but I did not even congratulate you on the upcoming adoption. Congratulations! Is there another thread where I can hear much more about this? Whenever someone adopts a baby, I get the shivers. It is just so special! I want to know everything.

Hugs,
Deb
 
I thought I'd just reply on here since I'm getting confused between this and the IVF thread. Maybe we can all congregate on this one to support each other?

Ivana - I'm thinking of you, and hoping that you got positive results today....

CdnBlingGal - I can't say I know too much about morphology issues. I know my DH had borderline morphology (40%, I think) last year when he first got tested. My RE put him on some daily vitamins: multivit, 25mg zinc, vit E 400IU, vit C 500mg, selenium 100mg twice daily (I got lazy splitting the 200mg tablet, so I give him 200mg once a day). Our family doc also has him on calcium since he hardly eats milk products, but that's nothing to do with the infertility. I'm waiting for the results of the retest we did a while back. I wonder if the hydrocortisone cream my husband is on for his atopic dermatitis has any effect? I would think the amount that he absorbs is pretty small. It must be so rough for your DH to not only have to deal with a chronic medical problem, but to have to worry about how the meds will affect you having kids is horrible. I love ivfconnections too. I came across it years ago, can't even remember how, whether I was just so sure I'd end up infertile and wanting to know more, or cause a friend and colleague of mine was going through it. I love how the women there share info on their clinics, their protocols, agonize together and celebrate together. I definitely loved seeing all the success stories, and was amazed at how many post-IVF "oops" pregnancies there were.

Logan - I agree with Deb, I want to hear all about the adoption process if you're willing to keep us in the loop. It's so exciting, and I'm very impressed that you and DH are so together in knowing what you will and will not pursue to have a genetic child of your own. I wonder if you'll have your first child by the end of 2008?

Gongjoo143 - thanks for the post and the info on the book. I just put in a request for it at the public library, so I'm sure I'll have an interesting read in my near future. I should look into seeing if my health plan also covers acupuncture, cause I'm a believer too. I think there are some clinics that do infertility acupuncture here in Toronto, so I should really look into it. What should you look for in an acupuncturist? Are there any accupressure techniques you can try on your own? I'd love to know more about what you do.

Questionaboutsettings - Sorry to hear about the ovarian cyst putting a kink in things. Did I understand correctly that now you're on hold for the next 1.5 years? That would be really frustrating to me. Luckily you're a little younger than me, so time is on your side. I'm only getting really antsy now because I'm 33.5, otherwise I probably would have waited till residency was over to try to get pregnant. What kind of a resident are you? I'm in anesthesia. Treatments are definitely not too compatible with work, though I found the children's hospital I was at for the 6 months before Christmas was really pretty good. The didn't ask any questions when I was doing the ultrasound series, and simply told the staff I'd be working with the next day that I wouldn't be able to set up my room ahead of time because of an appointment. I'd drag down to the Ob/Gyn's office for the lovely vag probing for 7am, and then have to be in the OR by 7:45am to start the first case of the day. I was really lucky that the two places were only 10min apart. And my RE is really nice and lets me be double-booked late in the day to see her, and then just show up around 4:15pm. Obviously I end up waiting a long time sometimes since she's really busy, but it's totally worth it to me to just be able to tell the folk at work that I have to leave for an appointment at 4pm. I've got 1 1/4 years left to go in residency now. The first 3 3/4 years have gone by really fast. Your diagnoses and mine sound pretty similar. I've got the LPD and some PCOS symptoms too (long irregular cycles with weird spotting throughout, a bit of acne, my fasting insulin is higher than it should be for my fasting glucose, and supposedly my ovaries have looked polycystic on U/S), and DH has low volume and moderate morphology. I really don't think he's the problem for us though. I've definitely had the same "what if that was my one shot" thoughts about my first pregnancy too. I'd probably lose it completely if I let myself believe that for a minute, so I'm working on thinking positive and assuming that I'll get pregnant again soon in the near future. I don't know if my RE believes in IUIs (she's an endocrinologist RE, not an ob/gyn RE). I think before I got pregnant the plan was to try one more femara cycle and then regroup. I imagine we'll try 2-3 more femara cycles with timed intercourse now before reassessing, though I have to meet with her at the beginning of April to find out for sure. She was considering sending me for laparoscopy to look for endometriosis, and has mentioned injectibles too. I think we'd go there before IVF, but I'd be fine with IVF too if that's what it takes. I'd just have to take a medical leave of absence from work probably to squeeze it in. Unless they were super understanding and just gave me the necessary hours off here and there. At least I know my program director went through it with his wife, so he's likely to be sympathetic.

Deb - thanks for continuing to pop in with your inspirational stories!

Apparently the typing class I did in grade 9 (that taught me 10-finger touch typing) has led me to be a rather rambling and chatty poster. Hope you all don't mind!
Kate
 
I''d be happy to talk about adoption! Maybe we can start another thread?
 
Ugh, I wrote a long post and somehow deleted it trying to send it!

Ivanadiamond, I hope you got great results yesterday!

CdnBlingGal, that sucks about the morphology issues. We''re dealing with that too, and I haven''t seen much about how to treat it except some basic supplements.

drk, that''s awesome that your RE has clinic at 7am! I''m jealous! That would definitely change my plans. My doctor doesn''t start clinic until 8, which is just not compatible with residency for me, it seems. It''s a little frustrating - I have over two years left, so the wait might be longer to do treatments again, who knows. I just hope I can pursue them again at some point. It''s funny, aside from your post I have never heard about a resident with fertility problems (not that I go around asking) so sometimes I feel really different than all those other residents that go around planning what month they''ll get pregnant so they can have a baby at X time, and it always seems to happen! For some reason I always thought I''d have problems, and it turns out I was right. It''s funny, I have heard derogatory statements in the past about "career women" who waited until their forties to have kids and then needed fertility treatments, and if I ever hear that again I''m going to mention that being younger doesn''t always make it easy! Also, our dx seem similar - how funny. Though my PCOS diagnosis isn''t "real" because I don''t meet the 2/3 diagnostic criteria, but I think it''s an issue anyway. It''s funny, I always had totally regular cycles, and my first one since stopping treatments took six weeks, so I worry I''ve now developing more symptoms in the absense of treatments. Also, I had a fasting blood glucose that was WNL, but I wonder it if would be good to do the GTT. I am sure I am a pain in the neck for my RE - he''s probably relieved I''m taking a break from treatments!
 
QAS - it''s definitely annoying that every other resident who seems to want to get pg has no problems getting knocked up exactly when it would be convenient. I just knew I''d have problems and started trying shortly after we got married so I''d be able to have that year of trying under my belt to prove to the docs that I''m infertile. I figured whenever it happens it''ll be a challenge, and the timing probably won''t be perfect, but i''ll just deal with it when it happens. I''d love to be pregnant as a resident cause I''ve got great insurance and taking anywhere from 6 weeks to 1 year off is so easy. I think my salary even gets topped up to 75% while on mat leave, so that would be pretty great. My RE doesn''t start early, but there''s an older ob/gyn in the building next to her who does infertility stuff, and she''s probably in her 60s now. She comes in and does all the follicular series ultrasounds before her normal clinic starts at 8am. I think my RE''s morning clinic (once a week) doesn''t start till 9am, and she has one afternoon a week too.

Well, still waiting to hear from Ivana... and now it''s time for bed. At least I got 3.5h of sleep last night, which was pretty good for on call, so I won''t be too dead to the world today. And i have to clean up cause Mum''s coming to visit for the weekend (the post miscarriage visit since she spent the two weekends after my miscarriage hanging out at my brother''s place waiting for grandchild number 2 to arrive).

Kate
 
Bumping to see how you all are doing these days - it''s been a while! I''m still in the hellish 2ww...

Kate
 
Hi there!
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I''m also dealing with infertility as my DH and I have been TTC naturally for 15 months. This week I just started my first round of Clomid. I haven''t really had any side effects, yet!
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I''ve heard some horrible experiences from it though. I just wanted to stop by... good luck with the 2WW DRK, I''ll be right there too in a week or so!
 
Hey L2L - Hope you have better luck than me! AF arrived yesterday, just after I''d gotten excited that I''d made it to 15dpo without spotting. The only side effect I had from clomid was crummy cervical mucus once I got up to the 50mg dose. Otherwise I haven''t really had side effects from any of the stuff I''ve been on, I don''t think.

I was really crushed yesterday, but am feeling a little more positive today. If things weren''t meant to be last cycle, I''d rather have it end before a pregnancy began than go through a month or so of feeling happy and excited only to lose the baby at 8wks again.

Take care everyone!
Kate
 
Hi everyone, I usually post in the TTC thread but wanted to say good luck and you are all such an amazing well informed group.
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Hope you don''t mind me being here as we were able to get pregnant once at 37 (Olivia in avatar 1 now) and I think we are experiencing
secondary infertility
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Just turned 39 and eventhough it happened once, nature isn''t being as amenable now.

My story in brief:

Had a 10cm dermoid cyst on rt. ovary removed 3/06 (Ob said he preserved rt ovary but I have my doubts). Never had a pregnancy before.

I had a transvag. US mid-cylce 5 months later and bam had a 18mm follicle on left ovary. We got pregnant that weekend!

Now almost 2 years later I don''t think I''m ovulating, having AF sporadically, and those stupid LH strips are so vague. Also lost a lot of weight as dad died last Nov. after Olivia was born.

I know you guys are well beyond this stage of exploration and frankly I have always felt I would have to go straight to IVF one day. *Sigh*

How much longer should I wait until I begin the whole fertility arsenal? The 6 month standard seems too long.
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Just want to add on the accupunture thing.

My father - who is a very ''orthodox'' kind of doctor with no time for homeopathy etc, used accupuncture almost daily as a GP.

He had an enormous success rate using it for infertility - even he was shocked how well it was working. I think it was something like 19 out of 23 became pregnant within a few months.

It''s certainly worth a try - there aren''t any side effects like you''d get with drugs after all.

I''ve used maybe 6 different accupuncturists for my back - three of them were extremely good, the other three didn''t seem to have the same effect.

They were all normal doctors or physiotherapists - I''ve never seen a chinese accupuncturist or anything, although I''ve heard good things about some of them.
 
Date: 4/17/2008 6:37:24 PM
Author: Pandora II
Just want to add on the accupunture thing.

My father - who is a very ''orthodox'' kind of doctor with no time for homeopathy etc, used accupuncture almost daily as a GP.

He had an enormous success rate using it for infertility - even he was shocked how well it was working. I think it was something like 19 out of 23 became pregnant within a few months.

It''s certainly worth a try - there aren''t any side effects like you''d get with drugs after all.

I''ve used maybe 6 different accupuncturists for my back - three of them were extremely good, the other three didn''t seem to have the same effect.

They were all normal doctors or physiotherapists - I''ve never seen a chinese accupuncturist or anything, although I''ve heard good things about some of them.
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Yes Pandora there has been lots of studies here in Australia into this. Particular when patients are undergoing IVF
http://www.adelaide.edu.au/news/news11641.html
 
I thought I would share the story of two of my close family members. They both had severe fertility issues and ended up going with IVF. They used shots etc and then "regular" IVF for 4 years (I think 4 - 6 rounds) to get their first child when the mother was 36, then started trying again when he was 1 year old. No success with 3 or 4 rounds of IVF, so they actually ended up using donated eggs and got pregnant the first time with that method and had their second son when the mother was 40. In all it took 8 years and close to $100 000 (10 years ago). Their first son is now 11 and their second son is 7, and they are wonderful, lively boys. They were lucky to be able to afford the whole process, and were very committed to a biological child.

DD
 
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