Any thoughts welcome on this cushion please :)

[b.anna]

picture #2:

 

[b.anna]

SARIN:

 

[AprilBaby]

To the eye, that WF is a beauty!

 

[Cehrabehra]

I''m afraid there won''t be enough scintillation in the middle. I''m on my way to Sushi - perhaps someone who knows what I''m talking about can explain it.... crown is shallow - what was the table again? 68% wow - okay... you''ll have to see it with your eyes. No one is going to be able to tell you if this is good. It has kinda fringe measurements IF I''m remembering correctly. Don''t quote me - I''m very dusty.

It''s worth considering I suppose - I''m not sure what is out there in the market this year or what you''re going for exactly - the color here is antique but the stone itself is a pretty modern cut from what I can tell. An ASET would be helpful too.

 

[Cehrabehra]

I know what it is for me - the lower girdle facets are way too long for a table that big - in my opinion.

 

[b.anna]

Date: 9/4/2009 9:14:08 PM
Author: Cehrabehra
I''m afraid there won''t be enough scintillation in the middle. I''m on my way to Sushi - perhaps someone who knows what I''m talking about can explain it.... crown is shallow - what was the table again? 68% wow - okay... you''ll have to see it with your eyes. No one is going to be able to tell you if this is good. It has kinda fringe measurements IF I''m remembering correctly. Don''t quote me - I''m very dusty.


It''s worth considering I suppose - I''m not sure what is out there in the market this year or what you''re going for exactly - the color here is antique but the stone itself is a pretty modern cut from what I can tell. An ASET would be helpful too.

thanks for your input cehra - i think that stats you were looking at were for another cushion i was considering - i''m sorry for any confusion! there was one cushion (the first of this thread) that i got information on first (the consultant could only provide an IS not an ASET), then i asked james at whiteflash to bring in another cushion i found on bluenile (the second pictures). here are the stats for the whiteflash cushion:

Depth %: 64.4%
Table %: 62%
Symmetry: Very Good
Polish: Excellent
Girdle: Thin to Very Thick, Faceted
Culet: Very Small
Fluorescence: None


let me know what you think?

 

[Cehrabehra]

You''re right - I didn''t realize you had two stones here. The first one is bright but dead in the middle and actually looks like it has very short LGF or - I dunno, it''s reflective but more like a mirror than scint at least from what I can tell in the pics.

The second stone is much nicer. On those I think the LGF are too long for my taste but it is by far the nicer choice from what I can tell.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

B.Anna,

The first stone you posted would have very small flashes and I too would reject it for that reason.

This second stone could be a promising the one called in by WF with the ASET and SARIN shown.

Pros:

i) Bigger faceup size for carat weight
ii) Very nice square shape with flat edges it really does look square no bow like edges
iii) The ASET has nice red areas right to the edges and decent distribution throughout.

Cons

i) The stone will not have edge to edge brilliance nor will it have large chunky flash like antique cushions.
ii) The ASET indicates possible obscuration in the dead center of the table and in other places. This COULD mean it is dark in these places.
iii) May not have great fire due to it being a bit more shallow would have to see this to tell.

Conclusion:

If you like the light return and faceting pattern, and are looking for a modern stone with smaller flashes then you should call this in a see for yourself. I like the symmetrical light return and facet structure.

I would ask Bob at WF to tell you how much brilliance and fire the stone has especially in the precise centre of the table. Ask him to critique it in low lighting and outside lighting NOT the bright UV or office lighting. Under these lighting conditions the weaknesses of the green areas will be most noticeable. Ask him also specifically about the areas in the ASET that are dark in the middle as those may be dark zones in the stone.

Also just some other notes:

Be very cautious about judging warmth or optics from pictures that is a very slippery slope. The only thing I definitively like to say from a picture is the facet structure and the size of the flash. A picture combined with ASET Blue may or may inidicate areas of obscuration/darkness but that can be very misleading and an incorrect conclusion.

Also I would not judge modern cushions by some defined numbers about crown height percentage or depth and table %. In antique 8 mains or OMCs we are generally considering high crowns, depths in the high 60%, tables% in the Mid 50s etc. In contrast lots of modern cut stones(like the two you posted) have large tables, more shallow depths and are still cut that way deliberately for light performance so these numbers should not be used as rejection criteria. The 4 mains modern cushion brilliants are deliberately cut with a larger table so that these 4 pavillion mains are not broken up by crown faceting.

If I were to rank the criteria for selection in these Modern Fancy Cushion Shapes:

Your Eyes In Various Ligting Conditions > ASET > Pictures > Sarin Numbers

Good-Luck,
CCL

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 9/4/2009 7:37:49 PM
Author: b.anna
ASET:

Its a gorgeous cushion from what I can tell from the photos and other images and could be an excellent choice. Nice ASET too, you can see the red is well distributed and from the Sarin a very good crown height which can assist fire. I would ask Bob Hoskins to discuss this stone with you, he has a good eye and will give you an honest opinion. To me this WF diamond looks to be a far better proposition than the other cushion.

Nice to see you back in cushion threads Cehra, your skills have been missed!

 

[diagem]

Date: 9/5/2009 3:23:28 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 9/4/2009 7:37:49 PM
Author: b.anna
ASET:

Its a gorgeous cushion from what I can tell from the photos and other images and could be an excellent choice. Nice ASET too, you can see the red is well distributed and from the Sarin a very good crown height which can assist fire. I would ask Bob Hoskins to discuss this stone with you, he has a good eye and will give you an honest opinion. To me this WF diamond looks to be a far better proposition than the other cushion.

Nice to see you back in cushion threads Cehra, your skills have been missed!

Welcome back Cehra....., nice to read your posts again....

 

[b.anna]

fantastic feedback from everyone! i would really have no idea what to do without the great help and expertise of everyone here.

thanks so much!

i will admit i am still mystified by all the technical aspects of the stone, but i do agree with everyone that what my eyes tell me is way more important than any work up that can be done on it

like many, i did notice a black spot on one of the main pavilions on the ASET and the pictures of the stone seems to be dead right in the middle.

i''m not really concerned about the lack of chunky flashes - i like the more modern look but with lots of brilliance but not the crushed ice look. so this one seems to be a great fit for what i like in a cushion.

i will address everyone''s (and my own) concerns to Bob or James. i think i may go with this one if i don''t get any red flags from the people at WF. i love their upgrade policy.

i had one more question: for anyone who has purchased a stone from whiteflash, do you think they will wiggle with the price? they brought the diamond in from a dropshipper through bluenile, and they said they''d offer it for the same price listed on blue nile. i asked about a pricescope discount, but didn''t get an answer. i wonder if i could knock down the price of the stone by a few hundred.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Thanks Lorelei - and DG you are my diamond guru!

 

[Rhino]

Yea ... good to cya back around Cehrabehra.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 9/5/2009 1:04:03 PM
Author: b.anna
fantastic feedback from everyone! i would really have no idea what to do without the great help and expertise of everyone here.

thanks so much!

i will admit i am still mystified by all the technical aspects of the stone, but i do agree with everyone that what my eyes tell me is way more important than any work up that can be done on it

like many, i did notice a black spot on one of the main pavilions on the ASET and the pictures of the stone seems to be dead right in the middle.

i''m not really concerned about the lack of chunky flashes - i like the more modern look but with lots of brilliance but not the crushed ice look. so this one seems to be a great fit for what i like in a cushion.

i will address everyone''s (and my own) concerns to Bob or James. i think i may go with this one if i don''t get any red flags from the people at WF. i love their upgrade policy.

i had one more question: for anyone who has purchased a stone from whiteflash, do you think they will wiggle with the price? they brought the diamond in from a dropshipper through bluenile, and they said they''d offer it for the same price listed on blue nile. i asked about a pricescope discount, but didn''t get an answer. i wonder if i could knock down the price of the stone by a few hundred.

They beat the Bluenile price by several hundred on my modern cushion so I would expect a little room.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 9/5/2009 2:35:02 PM
Author: Cehrabehra
Thanks Lorelei - and DG you are my diamond guru!

LOL!