Another possible diamond???

[mamadi]

Hello,

I have another possible diamond that I''m looking at. Here are my requirements again:

Looking for a good diamond for an engagement ring. My budget is $35 K. Looking for a 3.5 - 4.0 c (she wants this size - eventhough I agree to go smaller and better!), H or better SI2 or better(to get the price under my budget).

Thank you again in advance for your help.
EGL Cert.
3.87 Carat
Round Brilliant
10.22x10.19x6.20 mm
Total Depth: 60.8%
Table: 55%
Crown Height: 15%
Pavilion Depth: 43%
Girdle: thin fac
Polish: Very Good
symm: exc
culet: none
clarity: SI2
grain: Nil
Color: G
Flour: None
"Excellent Ideal Cut"

Price: $31,500

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Does the cert give you a crown angle and pavilion angle? Those measurements would be needed to put it in the HCA. But the other factor is, an EGL G color may be H or I. And remember, you may very well be able to see inclusions in a 3-4 ct. stone with SI2. So she understands that she will not get a good quality stone at 3-4 carats and wants the size even if it means poor quality? Gosh we''d have fun helping you get a fine quality stone with that kind of budget!!!!

 

[mamadi]

Date: 5/30/2006 6:16:30 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Does the cert give you a crown angle and pavilion angle? Those measurements would be needed to put it in the HCA. But the other factor is, an EGL G color may be H or I. And remember, you may very well be able to see inclusions in a 3-4 ct. stone with SI2. So she understands that she will not get a good quality stone at 3-4 carats and wants the size even if it means poor quality? Gosh we''d have fun helping you get a fine quality stone with that kind of budget!!!!

Awsome input...I only have the crown and pavilion % numbers (I know it''s not as good). But HCA gives it a great score based on the percentages. I''m hoping that the stone is close to G or at worste an H. I have asked the seller (Diamond Registry) if it is "eye clean", and he has said yes.

I have three days after receipt to have it appraised and send it back if I am unsatisfied. If it shows inclusions with the naked eye, it''s going back!

 

[belle]

is this from ebay?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

That''s great that you can have it appraised and return it. Do you have a reliable independent appraiser lined up? I know there are some recommended on here from time to time if you want to tell us your general location.

And just in case that one doesn''t work out, maybe you could get her on the Good Old Gold site to learn about diamond quality? Does she even know about the suoer ideal cut hearts and arrows stones? I didn''t until I came here! And here is an example of some stones in your budget (no, I do not work for anyone...just diamond shopping myself, but it''s fun to help others spend their money!

)

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1108/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1899/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1900/

Anyway, good luck to you and let us know how this stone turns out!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

BELLE:

ROTFLOL!!!!!!!

(This was a joke about her avatar, not about any posts in this thread)

 

[Dancing Fire]

ask the vendor for a sarin scan. you have a big $35k budget,don''t blow it.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 5/30/2006 6:22:11 PM
Author: mamadi

Awsome input...I only have the crown and pavilion % numbers (I know it''s not as good). But HCA gives it a great score based on the percentages. I''m hoping that the stone is close to G or at worste an H. I have asked the seller (Diamond Registry) if it is ''eye clean'', and he has said yes.

I have three days after receipt to have it appraised and send it back if I am unsatisfied. If it shows inclusions with the naked eye, it''s going back!

yeah butttt.... can you get your money back???

 

[mamadi]

The diamond is from a site called www.DiamondRegistry.com. I don''t know much else about them, and any input would be appreciated on this vendor. I plan to protect myself and ensure that I can return the diamond (I haven''t exactly decided how to do this).

Unfortunately, my girlfriend is set on her choice of round brilliant, and has her heart set on the size. This is going to be the first big diamond for her, and I''m sure I will move onto better quality stones for subsequent anniversaries. The cut does seem to be good based on the HCA, correct?

 

[Mara]

the HCA is really not useful to you with this stone, because EGL rounds the percentages, aka if the % of the crown angle is 12.6 then they will round to 13. this means that these numbers are not accurate enough to use in the HCA with any real measure of success. angles are the most accurate. the HCA with %'s is useful to tell you if it's a total dud, aka if it scores 4 with %'s then it's not going to score better with angles.

get a sarin...when you are dropping $30k you should do due diligence.

i also have never heard of diamond registry.

chances are with an EGL graded 3.87c SI2 stone you will see inclusions. EGL is a notoriously loose lab as already mentioned, so who knows what you are really getting. good luck!!

 

[sunkist]

Date: 5/30/2006 7:41:00 PM
Author: mamadi
The diamond is from a site called www.DiamondRegistry.com. I don't know much else about them, and any input would be appreciated on this vendor. I plan to protect myself and ensure that I can return the diamond (I haven't exactly decided how to do this).


Unfortunately, my girlfriend is set on her choice of round brilliant, and has her heart set on the size. This is going to be the first big diamond for her, and I'm sure I will move onto better quality stones for subsequent anniversaries. The cut does seem to be good based on the HCA, correct?

If you're planning on doing upgrades in the future, does this DiamondRegistry credit you the full price of the stone for upgrades? Because trading it in at another jeweler, you probably wouldn't get the full value you paid.

 

[mamadi]

Date: 5/30/2006 7:53:06 PM
Author: sunkist

Date: 5/30/2006 7:41:00 PM
Author: mamadi
The diamond is from a site called www.DiamondRegistry.com. I don''t know much else about them, and any input would be appreciated on this vendor. I plan to protect myself and ensure that I can return the diamond (I haven''t exactly decided how to do this).


Unfortunately, my girlfriend is set on her choice of round brilliant, and has her heart set on the size. This is going to be the first big diamond for her, and I''m sure I will move onto better quality stones for subsequent anniversaries. The cut does seem to be good based on the HCA, correct?

If you''re planning on doing upgrades in the future, does this DiamondRegistry credit you the full price of the stone for upgrades? Because trading it in at another jeweler, you probably wouldn''t get the full value you paid.

That''s a very good point, but I don''t think I will want this particular stone upgraded, since it is the engagement ring. The option of upgrading will be valuable in future purchases (i.e. anniversary gifts).

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 5/30/2006 7:41:00 PM
Author: mamadi
The diamond is from a site called www.DiamondRegistry.com. I don''t know much else about them, and any input would be appreciated on this vendor. I plan to protect myself and ensure that I can return the diamond (I haven''t exactly decided how to do this).

Unfortunately, my girlfriend is set on her choice of round brilliant, and has her heart set on the size. This is going to be the first big diamond for her, and I''m sure I will move onto better quality stones for subsequent anniversaries. The cut does seem to be good based on the HCA, correct?

so far the "specs" you posted looks okay but,still you should ask for a sarin scan. tell your GF size means nothing if it don''t sparkle like it should.

 

[mamadi]

Date: 5/30/2006 8:05:59 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 5/30/2006 7:41:00 PM
Author: mamadi
The diamond is from a site called www.DiamondRegistry.com. I don''t know much else about them, and any input would be appreciated on this vendor. I plan to protect myself and ensure that I can return the diamond (I haven''t exactly decided how to do this).

Unfortunately, my girlfriend is set on her choice of round brilliant, and has her heart set on the size. This is going to be the first big diamond for her, and I''m sure I will move onto better quality stones for subsequent anniversaries. The cut does seem to be good based on the HCA, correct?

so far the ''specs'' you posted looks okay but,still you should ask for a sarin scan. tell your GF size means nothing if it don''t sparkle like it should.

I just sent an email requesting a sarin scan, and some sort of insurance that I will be able to get my money back if the stone is really not as the EGL cert states (i.e. dimensions, color, clarity, etc.). My history is also such (too long to explain) that I really do want a 3.5 - 4.0 c diamond for my GF, so maybe I should increase my budget and get a better quality rock?

 

[JulieN]

Get what you can afford...make sure you can afford what you get.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

If you can afford it, by all means get her a good quality stone! And please consider contacting one of these vendors who has a reputation for years in the business and has an earnest desire (and the equipment) to get you an excellent stone. There are several that I'd buy from, but take a look at a site like GoodOld Gold and you'll see all the information he has on his site to educate the comsumer and then all the information he has on each diamond listed. I am sure Jon at GoodOldGold, or Wink of Winfield's, or Issac at Dimend Scaasi (three examples I have personally received very good service from) would be so happy to help you find a lovely 3 ct. stone, and you could give her quality as well as quantity.

Let me add that if I were spending $35,000 or more, I wouldn't even look at certifications other than AGS or GIA.