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JaneSmith|1403059325|3695453 said:Do you know what we call alt med that has been proven to work?
Medicine.
Here is a short vid by the indomitable Tim Minchin about alt med and scientifically illiterate thinking in general. Caution, a couple of NSFW curses herein.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U&feature=kp
Alt med is full of unproven or disproved therapies. The purveyors of alt med rely on logical fallacies such as the argument from antiquity, the argument from popularity, and the argument from personal incredulity to support their claims of efficacy.
One of the main thrusts in the marketing of alt med is to sow doubt and distrust in the medical system (I am completely for critique and science-based inquiry, not scaremongering), and then come in as the white knights of a holistic alternative.
Another tactic is the bait and switch. Alt med appropriates entirely mainstream science-based medicine such as exercise, and dietary advice, and then also tacks on the more fringe therapies such as homeopathy, and reiki. Therapies such as these rely on the pre-scientific theory of vitalism. It is basically faith based.
Here is an article about the NCCAM trying to rebrand itself, and a brief history of the branding and marketing of alt med in general:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/nccam-tries-to-polish-a-turd/
Excerpt:
"To be honest, I fail to see what Dr. Briggs means when she says that “a much more defined set of research opportunities has emerged.” The snarky skeptic in me can’t help but wonder whether this “much more defined set of research opportunities” came about as NCCAM was so continually embarrassed over the years because of its funding of studies into what can only be described as magic and mysticism, such as homeopathy, reiki, therapeutic touch, and distance healing that under Dr. Briggs’ leadership the most blatant of these have been (mostly) discarded. As I put it when discussing the recent five-year strategic plan for NCCAM for 2011 through 2015, this amounts to saying, “Let’s do some real science for a change!” In other words, let’s concentrate on modalities like diet, pharmacognosy (excuse me, herbal medicine and supplements), and exercise, where we might actually find something, rather than on type 1 CAM like energy medicine, which even CAM practitioners at some level seem to recognize as pure fantasy and magical thinking. Of course, if that’s what NCCAM does, then the need for NCCAM disappears, because there is nothing inherent in any of these things that requires a separate center or institute within the NIH to study it. NCCAM was created through Senator Tom Harkin’s (D-IA) efforts to study magic like energy medicine, not mundane, science-based interventions that have been “rebranded.”"
ksinger|1403140925|3696200 said:JaneSmith|1403059325|3695453 said:Do you know what we call alt med that has been proven to work?
Medicine.
Here is a short vid by the indomitable Tim Minchin about alt med and scientifically illiterate thinking in general. Caution, a couple of NSFW curses herein.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U&feature=kp
Alt med is full of unproven or disproved therapies. The purveyors of alt med rely on logical fallacies such as the argument from antiquity, the argument from popularity, and the argument from personal incredulity to support their claims of efficacy.
One of the main thrusts in the marketing of alt med is to sow doubt and distrust in the medical system (I am completely for critique and science-based inquiry, not scaremongering), and then come in as the white knights of a holistic alternative.
Another tactic is the bait and switch. Alt med appropriates entirely mainstream science-based medicine such as exercise, and dietary advice, and then also tacks on the more fringe therapies such as homeopathy, and reiki. Therapies such as these rely on the pre-scientific theory of vitalism. It is basically faith based.
Here is an article about the NCCAM trying to rebrand itself, and a brief history of the branding and marketing of alt med in general:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/nccam-tries-to-polish-a-turd/
Excerpt:
"To be honest, I fail to see what Dr. Briggs means when she says that “a much more defined set of research opportunities has emerged.” The snarky skeptic in me can’t help but wonder whether this “much more defined set of research opportunities” came about as NCCAM was so continually embarrassed over the years because of its funding of studies into what can only be described as magic and mysticism, such as homeopathy, reiki, therapeutic touch, and distance healing that under Dr. Briggs’ leadership the most blatant of these have been (mostly) discarded. As I put it when discussing the recent five-year strategic plan for NCCAM for 2011 through 2015, this amounts to saying, “Let’s do some real science for a change!” In other words, let’s concentrate on modalities like diet, pharmacognosy (excuse me, herbal medicine and supplements), and exercise, where we might actually find something, rather than on type 1 CAM like energy medicine, which even CAM practitioners at some level seem to recognize as pure fantasy and magical thinking. Of course, if that’s what NCCAM does, then the need for NCCAM disappears, because there is nothing inherent in any of these things that requires a separate center or institute within the NIH to study it. NCCAM was created through Senator Tom Harkin’s (D-IA) efforts to study magic like energy medicine, not mundane, science-based interventions that have been “rebranded.”"
You will likely appreciate this video. It's my all-time favorite slagging of homeopathy. Hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0&list=PLwJQG83FpnCJITe0M21jMzU2ok4v_l0El
monarch64|1402983747|3694769 said:Sure.
Alum powder applied directly to canker sores.
Melatonin for insomnia. (I think that's a natural remedy?)
We use a mixture of mint/eucalyptus oil/tea tree oil for bug bite reactions
Lavender again for insomnia
Ginseng for energy, but there is a tolerance issue (6-8 weeks after beginning)
Were you looking for a cure for a specific ailment?
If you're in a mood sometimes a very nice scotch can mellow one right out.
If you're the sort who likes to roll something up and smoke it to become peaceful...well, depending on the governed state in which you live you could insert some organic marijuana.
I love these threads.
VRBeauty|1403028680|3695085 said:I always have a bottle of grapefruit seed extract around. It took care of a bad case of athlete's foot that a year of OTC and prescription remedies didn't touch. It also seems to help with urinary tract infections - I drink a glass of water with a few drops of GSE added whenever I feel that I might be getting a UTI. I've recently started drinking oat straw tea again to help with emotional equilibrium. It's loaded with B vitamins (and calcium).
Kenny - there are studies that have been conducted on some herbal and natural remedies including government-funded studies in other countries. Here in the US the National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM), which is affiliated with the National Institute of Health, provides an summaries of the studies conducted for most common herbs, including their efficacy, side effects and any scientific research on the herb. http://nccam.nih.gov/ You're absolutely right to be cautious about herbs and natural remedies, but there are herbs out there that can provide an effective alternative to man-made chemical formulations. The problem of course is that it's expensive to test new medicines of any type, and many herbal remedies are relatively inexpensive and often can't be patented, so there's usually no "natural" economic incentive for testing natural remedies.
VRBeauty|1403283318|3697306 said:Mary - the person I consult with re natural alternatives is Nancy Yilk of Optimum Health in Sacramento. I've forgotten the details of her background, but she once worked in a professional capacity for pharmaceutical companies (with the requisite college degree) so she knows a lot about the "why's" of how the body works, and how medicines work, and how herbal and nutritional supplements work. She's steered me in the right direction many times. Equally important, she's often steered me away from approaches I might have read about that would not have worked for me for some reason - interference with a prescribed medication I was taking, for example. She might charge you for a phone consult (which would include a health questionnaire to be completed) but the $50 cost is probably less than what the doctors you've consulted charge. Anyhow, I've found her to be a good resource and you might consider checking her out.
IndyLady|1403190593|3696495 said:VRBeauty|1403028680|3695085 said:I always have a bottle of grapefruit seed extract around. It took care of a bad case of athlete's foot that a year of OTC and prescription remedies didn't touch. It also seems to help with urinary tract infections - I drink a glass of water with a few drops of GSE added whenever I feel that I might be getting a UTI. I've recently started drinking oat straw tea again to help with emotional equilibrium. It's loaded with B vitamins (and calcium).
Kenny - there are studies that have been conducted on some herbal and natural remedies including government-funded studies in other countries. Here in the US the National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM), which is affiliated with the National Institute of Health, provides an summaries of the studies conducted for most common herbs, including their efficacy, side effects and any scientific research on the herb. http://nccam.nih.gov/ You're absolutely right to be cautious about herbs and natural remedies, but there are herbs out there that can provide an effective alternative to man-made chemical formulations. The problem of course is that it's expensive to test new medicines of any type, and many herbal remedies are relatively inexpensive and often can't be patented, so there's usually no "natural" economic incentive for testing natural remedies.
+1
That's why I tried Proactiv years before I ever tried Lush's organic products to help me acne--Proactiv had better marketing, and I'd actually heard of it. I tried every prescription and over the counter acne medication, including Differin, Retin A, Epiduo, Azelaic Acid, salicylic acid peels, Clindiamycin, and basically every strength of benzoyl peroxide out there. I tried everything short of going on Accutane. Then, one single organic facewash took care of the acne problem I'd had for years. Lush's Angels on Bare Skin, a face wash made of almonds and lavender that costs $12. I wasn't even trying to 'cure' my acne when I bought it; one of my friends was buying it, and I went ahead and bought a bottle too because I was tired of using Cetaphil, which was the facewash my derm recommended.
Sky56|1403904832|3702356 said:mary poppins: Challah bread always contains eggs.
I had horrible chronic eye problems from 1972 to 1985...chalazions, styes, etc...even had numerous surgeries because of disfiguring aftermath of large lumps on my eyelids filled with calcified matter (sorry, TMI)...until in 1985 I figured out it was eggs causing the problems...and I ~never~ once had an episode of eye trouble after avoiding anything containing eggs beginning in 1985. Luckily, my surgeons were skilled and you can look at my eyes and lids and see no evidence of any surgery.