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Hamster

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We just picked up our AGS 0 Princess Cut diamond (purchased from Capitol Bill at Icemine) from the appraiser''s on Friday. It''s so pretty and sparkly, much more so than anything I had previously seen in my search for diamonds in B&M stores. I would definitely recommend that anyone considering purchasing a princess cut see an AGS 0 in person - it was really a sight to see! I tried to take pictures, but my low-end digital camera doesn''t take such extreme close ups
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Now its at the jewelry store getting ready to be mounted, so no loose pictures. Here are the specs on it though:

AGS 0 Princess Cut
Color - G
Clarity - VS1
Carat Weight - 1.683
Measurements: 6.41 x 6.36 x 4.76 mm

Once I got it home, I spent a good hour or so marvelling at its sparkly beauty. Call me crazy, but what I find even more fascinating than the face up beauty of the stone is the view from the pavillion. Not sure if its b/c the quality I had seen in B&M stores was fairly low, but I couldn''t believe how absolutely different it looked, even from the bottom! I could clearly see all the chevrons and how crisp and symmetrical everything was. And I absolutely love the perfect "X" that you can see. It almost seems a shame that it will get covered up by the setting. I imagine that if you had one of those "suspension" type settings, this would be the perfect type of stone because the pavillion view would look as nice as the table view.

I am a consumer and not an expert, so wondering if any of the experts out there have noticed this as well and what they have to say about it. I could see multiple chevrons on the pavillion, which I had never seen in any other Princess cut diamonds that I viewed in person. Is this due to the high degree of symmetry, or is the cut slightly different? A while back I had found an article on grading princess cut diamonds (unfortunately, I did not understand the article too well) and it mentioned that there could be different numbers of chevrons based on the cutting "design". Whatever it is, I think its really cool to look at.

I was sad that I had to part with our diamond, but we will hopefully get the completed ring back in a month or so. I''ll post pictures when I get it back, using my boyfriend''s better quality camera. I just wished I had gotten some good photos of the pavillion so that my poor boyfriend, who has never even seen the stone since he lives in Canada, could see for himself how amazing it is. Curious if anyone has pictures of what the chevrons look like and if they would post them.

As a side note, I find it interesting now that when we first started our search back in May, every single B&M retailer we visited insisted that there was no such thing as an "Ideal" princess cut diamond. A few told us that GIA was "working on developing parameters for ideals", but nobody apparently knew about the AGS ones. It was only through my own research (include PS) that I learned about the AGS 0 Princess cuts. While there are definitely some truly knowledgeable, helpful, and trustworthy jewelers out there, it seems that there are a lot of uneducated sales people that will really tell you anything. Capitol Bill at Icemine, on the other hand, was not only knowledgeable, but was a really helpful and nice guy who did not pressure us into taking whatever stones he had in inventory (like a lot of B&Ms did). In fact, he encouraged us to be patient and WAIT for exactly what we were looking for, which was good advice because a week later this stone popped up!
 
Hamster,

Congratulations on the purchase, and on working with Bill. He is a class act!

You are seeing the results of symmetrical cut and top craftsmanship. Similarly, if you were to become accustomed to looking at rounds cut with great optical symmetry you'd notice that most diamonds walking around town do not have such orderly construction.

It's neat that you got to analyze the pavilion of your princess and became intrigued by it. It's a complex and appealing view that's not always talked about, since most people are logically focused on how the diamond appears when it's mounted.
 
Congratulations!

You are right, there are a lot of jewelers out there, especially in the mall type stores, who do not keep up with the latest developements in the markets.

You chose well with Capitol Bill. He did his homework before he started dealing with the Infinity cuts and you got to share in the results of his labors!

Wink
 
Date: 10/2/2005 4:55:09 PM
Author:Hamster

...I absolutely love the perfect ''X'' that you can see. It almost seems a shame that it will get covered up by the setting. I imagine that if you had one of those ''suspension'' type settings, this would be the perfect type of stone because the pavillion view would look as nice as the table view.
Here''s the ''X'' allright! And yes, the orderly look of those princess cuts is quite nice
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Are you thinkink of a tension setting ? If that does not sound too appealing, perhaps a traditional basket (those leave allot of roon to see the pavilion, even if not 100%) would do as well. Other kinds leave the pavilion open to see from underneath at least when the ring is off the finger.

I can totally understand that you would want this one to remain very visible even once set.
 
... this refused to get attached to the previous post. Is this close to what you see?

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A 'bottom up' setting and proof that dangerous software like Diamcalc should not be left in the open for unintended use!
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Wow! Nice work, I did not even recognise the photo as one of mine. Thank you for the attribution, it is a nice courtesy.

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That''s exactly the "X" I''m referring to!
For better or worse, we already selected and purchased the setting, so we won''t have the opportunity to put it in a supsension type ring. Not sure that it would be my style anyway, but I think it would be cool with this type of stone.

We bought the Ritani Endless love micro pave with basket, but because I want the stone to sit pretty low in the basket, you probably won''t get to see much of the pavillion. I know that I _could_ ask to have it sit higher up, but with all the micro pave on the ring already, I''m afraid that it would just be too in your face to have it popping up like that.
 
Hi "Hamster"!
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Thanks for the kind words! It was truly a pleasure assisting you and "C" to find the diamond you were looking for (and thanks for your patience)! I never thought to take photos of my diamonds from the back. From now on I will endeavor to do so. I can''t wait to see the finished ring!
Kind regards,
Bill
 
Hi, Hamster~~~~
Can you post more of your AGS 0 Princess diamond picture please??
Thank you
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Date: 10/3/2005 7:17:37 AM
Author: BlueReneeNeko
Hi, Hamster~~~~
Can you post more of your AGS 0 Princess diamond picture please??
Thank you
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Hi Blue-
Unfortunately I don''t have any
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. I tried with my digital camera, but they came out completely blurry. Not sure if the picture posted by Valeria is an AGS 0, but you can see a mounted one in the following thread:

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/princess-ags0-in-ritani-setting.32694/

Scroll down to the bottom of the page to get the really good pictures. Coincidentally, that is the exact same setting that I''ll be getting.

Also, there is a manufacturer called Infinity Diamonds that makes "branded" AGS 0 Princess cuts. If you go to their website at http://www.infinitydiamonds.be/stones_for_sale.php
you can see some pictures of their princess cuts along with all sorts of other information.
 
Here''s a photo face up of one

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Here''s my photo of the symmetry pattern from the pavilion.

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The pavilion patterns "rock"...here is what it looks like in the Hearts & Arrows viewer!

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...and in the IdealScope (focused at the corners)...

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Cool pictures! Thanks Diamondexpert! Seems that you appreciate the bottom view just as much as I do, although no picture can really do it justice.
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Congratulations on finding your diamond!!

It sounds gorgeous!!

Can''t wait for some pics of the finished ring!
 
Nice pix! Capital Bill is first class and I''m happy I had the opportunity to meet him at JCK. Excellent rock and I''m sure your fiance'' will go bonkers over it as much or more than you are!
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Kind regards,
 
Hey Hamster I had some trouble getting pics also. I took a bunch just trying to get a good one... I don''t know if your camera has this or not but the camera I used put it on a MACRO setting and that seemed to work better. I also had to experiment with how close or how far away I was. I was actually surprised I got such a clear pic of the bottom view of mine. The lighting was also a factor on how to get a good pic. I think that is pretty obvious though for anyone who has used a camera. I think for that bottom pic I took I was maybe three - five inches away with the macro setting and zoomed all the way in. I took the pictures at night so there was no outside light source I believe I ended up using the flash on this pic... although I took so many I don''t recall... Chris
 
Hey Hamster and Chris,

It is nice to see how happy you both are with your purchases.

Your observation of the pavilion view is also very interesting. Our aim in cutting is extreme symmetry based upon extreme squareness. And with the pavilion being the foundation of light return, it is very important to judge the construction of that pavilion.

Where we like to see a hearts-pattern in a round diamond, it is unclear yet how we would call the pattern in a princess-cut. Any suggestions?

In any case, it is amazing that it struck you, while we did not even push anyone to pay attention to it.

Live long,
 
Date: 10/5/2005 4:36:52 PM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Hey Hamster and Chris,

It is nice to see how happy you both are with your purchases.

Your observation of the pavilion view is also very interesting. Our aim in cutting is extreme symmetry based upon extreme squareness. And with the pavilion being the foundation of light return, it is very important to judge the construction of that pavilion.

Where we like to see a hearts-pattern in a round diamond, it is unclear yet how we would call the pattern in a princess-cut. Any suggestions?

In any case, it is amazing that it struck you, while we did not even push anyone to pay attention to it.

Live long,
The X-men princess cut?
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Date: 10/5/2005 4:36:52 PM
Author: Paul-Antwerp

Where we like to see a hearts-pattern in a round diamond, it is unclear yet how we would call the pattern in a princess-cut. Any suggestions?
Ooh. I like this game.

Hearts and Arrows for rounds... Os and Xs for Princess? Hmm. Not sure about the Os thoughs.

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x and princess in the same description doesnt sound good for an engagement diamond.
 
I dunno, I kind of like John''s theme of X''s and O''s as "hugs" and "kisses".
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Date: 10/5/2005 5:07:55 PM
Author: strmrdr
x and princess in the same description doesnt sound good for an engagement diamond.

LOL!!!! OMIGOSH that is funny!
 
Date: 10/5/2005 5:07:55 PM
Author: strmrdr
x and princess in the same description doesnt sound good for an engagement diamond.
Except she would be an ex-princess, because she's turning into a QUEEN
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Date: 10/5/2005 5:26:32 PM
Author: JohnQuixote
Date: 10/5/2005 5:07:55 PM

Author: strmrdr

x and princess in the same description doesnt sound good for an engagement diamond.

Except she would be an ex-princess, because she''s turning into a QUEEN
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LOL I knew you would get it.
 
Date: 10/5/2005 5:01:35 PM
Author: JohnQuixote

Date: 10/5/2005 4:36:52 PM
Author: Paul-Antwerp

Where we like to see a hearts-pattern in a round diamond, it is unclear yet how we would call the pattern in a princess-cut. Any suggestions?
Ooh. I like this game.

Hearts and Arrows for rounds... Os and Xs for Princess? Hmm. Not sure about the Os thoughs.
I think the pattern looks like diamonds to me...but I guess that would sound silly.
 
The first thing that comes to mind when I see the picture of the bottom view in the hearts and arrows viewer is "argyle". Probably doesn''t make for a clever marketing package the way "hearts and arrows" does though.

Those H&A viewer pictures are pretty cool though. I''m assuming that an "average" grade princess would not exhibit such a pattern - I''m wondering if this is a useful informational tool for the consumer.
 
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