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Pricescopers! I'm considering purchasing this diamond and need some assistance evaluating the Idealscope image. What do you think? I see some light leakage under the table but that's about as much as I know.

I've attached an the Idealscope and GIA report information as well. Price is $8.5k.

Thank you so much! I've learned a ton from reading this site and it has made me take a lot longer to make a decision, but I feel so well informed. I've been leaning towards just getting a "super ideal" cut stone to take the guesswork out of it if I'm going to be spending 8k. But, I'm not 100% convinced that's what I should do.

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I'm not so sure about this, either...there is leakage around at least half of the center, under the table. I'm afraid it's going to be dark in the center, at least on one side....
Let me see if I can help you...
 
Thanks for the feedback. I'm hoping to find something in the G or H color range.

I do notice that half looks lighter under the table. Could it just be the way the diamond is tilted?
 
Possibly. Can you get the ASET?
 
gm89uk said:
This has a great idealscope. The photo is tilted. The arrows at the bottom are all uniformly shorter than the ones at the top. The culet is off centre. Good find.
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Do you think it's a decent buy at $8.5k?
 
gm89uk said:
This has a great idealscope. The photo is tilted. The arrows at the bottom are all uniformly shorter than the ones at the top. The culet is off centre. Good find.
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^ Here's a positive response to the question of tilt causing the issue with questionable leakage...
Since there is no ASET available, and the IS appears to be good, the conclusion seems to confirm that this is your stone!
Do you have any other reservations?
 
Any thoughts on if I can do way better for this type of money? This is at the absolute top of my budget so that's where my reservations are.

The criteria I started with was this...
size: around ~1 carat
cut: this is the most important factor to me and will detail below
color: H color or better (prefer G or better)
clarity: VS2 or better (the least important of the 4cs to me but it has to be eye clean)
fluorescence: none or faint
Cut Details:
· depth: 60 - 62.5% (although my personal preference is to allow up to 62.4%)
· table: 54 - 58%
· crown angle: 34 - 35 degrees
· pavilion angle: 40.6 - 41 degrees
· girdle: want to avoid extremes so I'm looking for thin to slightly thick, thin to medium, etc.
· GIA excellent (cut, polish, symmetry) or AGS Ideal 0

Tagging a few of the regular posters to help me out...
@rockysalamander @flyingpig @msop04 @ac117 @diamondseeker2006
 
I love this one -- super white at F color and eye clean SI1 for $8070! HCA is 1.1 and it's 7.07 mm.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...f-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3346278

ETA: I love the SBF -- just have JA verify no negative effects. Looks amazing though. Don't be afraid of the tiny inclusion on the table... there's no way you'll see it (at the lowest JA magnification, you can't and that's WAY bigger than it will be IRL) :)
 
I just spoke with a JA rep about the F/SI stone -- NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS from SBF!! Yay!! #yourewelcome ;-)

From JA rep:
"I was able to review the stone, and based on the video, I do not feel you should have any concerns with the fluorescence. What is very striking about this stone is it's gorgeous cut."
 
I thought I'd throw this out there... it's an I/SI1 with SBF @ 7.39 mm (HCA 1.6) for $8180.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3205168

There is a black carbon spot on the table, but when I viewed the video at the lowest magnification (which is MUCH larger than it would be IRL), it's really difficult to see. The inclusions close to the perimeter left of 12:00 could easily be pronged. This stone may not be for you, but I wanted to show you how the size, combined with SBF to help color and cut is amazing for that price point. :)
 
msop04 said:
From JA rep:
"I was able to review the stone, and based on the video, I do not feel...
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That's a pretty major disclaimer. I'm not saying anything is wrong with the stone, but I would definitely insist on having the stone examined by a JA gemologist (not a SA) and in person (not video) before committing to a purchase.
 
drk14 said:
That's a pretty major disclaimer. I'm not saying anything is wrong with the stone, but I would definitely insist on having the stone examined by a JA gemologist (not a SA) and in person (not video) before committing to a purchase.
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Of course it is... and the OP can absolutely have a JA gemologist review the stone in person. Since I'm not buying this stone, I only asked the SA. And since haziness is pretty apparent in the videos (and rare at that), it's very likely the stone is fine.
 
msop04 said:
Of course it is... and the OP can absolutely have a JA gemologist review the stone in person. Since I'm not buying this stone, I only asked the SA. And since haziness is pretty apparent in the videos (and rare at that), it's very likely the stone is fine.
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Haziness from FL will not show up in the videos there isn't enough UV light.
 
Karl_K said:
Haziness from FL will not show up in the videos there isn't enough UV light.
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Good thing JA can have one of their gemologists check it... :)
 
I like the stone you first posted and think it is an option. Superideal cuts are going to be over $9k, so I'll just list a couple of alternatives.

This one (already posted) isn't really going to look visibly larger than the one you posted, but it is over 6.9mm, appears to have a nice cut, but H color:

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9713303/Round-diamond-H-color-IF-clarity

This one hasn't been posted because it is close to the size of the one you already posted at 1.2, but it is AGS Ideal cut if that would be desirable to you and has beautiful ASET images. I feel like it maybe is the best cut stone so far and I love G VS1. It depends on your personal preferences, of course.

https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/7023884/Round-Diamond-G-Color-VS1-Clarity
 
Thank you everyone for your input! If my first option is not a huge
diamondseeker2006 said:
I like the stone you first posted and think it is an option. Superideal cuts are going to be over $9k, so I'll just list a couple of alternatives.

This one (already posted) isn't really going to look visibly larger than the one you posted, but it is over 6.9mm, appears to have a nice cut, but H color:

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9713303/Round-diamond-H-color-IF-clarity

This one hasn't been posted because it is close to the size of the one you already posted at 1.2, but it is AGS Ideal cut if that would be desirable to you and has beautiful ASET images. I feel like it maybe is the best cut stone so far and I love G VS1. It depends on your personal preferences, of course.

https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/7023884/Round-Diamond-G-Color-VS1-Clarity
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Thank you for the feedback @diamondseeker2006 ! Those are really good options too...

I also found this one. For slightly more, can jump up to VS1. No images are available for this one though. What do you think?
 
uffda said:
Thank you everyone for your input! If my first option is not a huge


Thank you for the feedback @diamondseeker2006 ! Those are really good options too...

I also found this one. For slightly more, can jump up to VS1. No images are available for this one though. What do you think?
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Actually, that one I linked above scored a 2.2 HCA so ruling that one out.

Here is my final other option before submitting an order. Should I drop down in color to get a slightly larger "True Hearts" cut? Scores a 1.1 HCA.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-h-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-3353498

@gm89uk @msop04 @rockysalamander @diamondseeker2006

Sorry for all the tags! Just trying to get this off my plate and in-time! :pray:
 
Eye clean is eye clean (just be specific to your definition), vs1 is a luxury, you either go for size or clarity. Occasionally you can get good deals on higher clarities.

I wouldn't pay more to get a VS1 if you have a reasonable cheaper, well performing VS2. Some other pricescopers have a strong preference for VS1. VS1 is generally the first clarity where it doesn't matter the type of inclusion, it will be eye clean for 99.9% of the diamonds. With the others you can achieve the same eye clean results, with more homework. If have a 8k budget, your best hopes are really a ~1.3Si1, or a ~1.2 VS. I wouldn't stretch to a 9k 1.2 VS.

If you were going to spend that much on that carat weight, I'd drop the colour and get a superideal if you wanted to upgrade at a later date. If not, I'd just get the biggest, best performance lowest clarity I can get away with.
 
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gm89uk said:
Eye clean is eye clean (just be specific to your definition), vs1 is a luxury, you either go for size or clarity. Occasionally you can get good deals on higher clarities.

I wouldn't pay more to get a VS1 if you have a reasonable cheaper, well performing VS2. Some other pricescopers have a strong preference for VS1. VS1 is generally the first clarity where it doesn't matter the type of inclusion, it will be eye clean for 99.9% of the diamonds. With the others you can achieve the same eye clean results, with more homework. If have a 8k budget, your best hopes are really a ~1.3Si1, or a ~1.2 VS. I wouldn't stretch to a 9k 1.2 VS.

If you were going to spend that much on that carat weight, I'd drop the colour and get a superideal if you wanted to upgrade at a later date. If not, I'd just get the biggest, best performance lowest clarity I can get away with.
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Thanks for the insight. You have all been very helpful and informative and I'm very thankful for that. I feel like I've done a ton of homework but am still struggling to figure out what I've selected is truly a good fit for my healthy budget. I know someone else can't tell me what to do, but sure seems a lot easier!
 
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