Advice on this pair 4.71 ctw

[yssie]

1. Check with your jeweller to ensure the head of her ring can be adjusted to hold a smaller stone. Depending on setting style, method of manufacture, material, prior adjustments... The tolerance can be much, much smaller than you might think!

2. So she’s good with both downsizing her ring and trading her current stone? Not asking about your opinion, which you’ve given us several times now - asking specifically about hers.

3. You will get less for a trade-in than you see comparable stones being sold for by vendors. Much less. Unfortunate reality of being consumers, I’m afraid! You’ll generally get more for a trade-in than in an outright sale, but you need to contact WF and ask what your options with them might be.

4. 4ctw ACAs in leverbacks will be showstoppers. No questions about that!

 

[Pagalkutti]

I can now confirm that yssie is indeed spot on. The bottom image was indeed the one for the D-FL.

Putting it here again.

Let me rephrase: if those two CG ASET images are the correct images for these two stones, then the bottom image is for the FL

You should be aware of two things:
1. Once set, the stone will no longer merit the FL clarity grade.
2. The stone is very nice, but is not precision-cut and does not exhibit excellent optical symmetry. That doesn’t mean that it will not a beautiful and sparkly stone! It does mean that it lacks both brand cachet and niche cut quality specialiazation, which leaves future valuations wholly up to “generic market fluctuation”. Sounds like you’re okay with that!

 

[KKJohnson]

Here is what the size difference is going to be

Left is new diamond Right is current diamond



https://www.diamdb.com/compare/2.3ct-round-8.44x8.48x5.22-vs-2.65ct-round-8.89x8.96x5.46/

 

[Pagalkutti]

Wow... What a cool tool KKJohnson! I am gonna show it to her.

Is there a cool tool to visualize leverback diamond earrings as well!?

 

[KKJohnson]

Wow... What a cool tool KKJohnson! I am gonna show it to her.

Is there a cool tool to visualize leverback diamond earrings as well!?

Haha no probably not, maybe just going to a local jewelry store can help with that. My favorite is diamonds direct off Preston (mostly because they have big gorgeous diamonds) their customer service is top notch. Or maybe your wife wants to spend a day with me and @Starfacet, we can definitely help her decide on what she wants *evil laughter* j/k

 

[Starfacet]

Haha no probably not, maybe just going to a local jewelry store can help with that. My favorite is diamonds direct off Preston (mostly because they have big gorgeous diamonds) their customer service is top notch. Or maybe your wife wants to spend a day with me and @Starfacet, we can definitely help her decide on what she wants *evil laughter* j/k

I'm in!!

 

[ice empress]

This does not say that they will also be guaranteed to match X parameters within Y margins. ACAs are all lovely stones, but ACA specifications permit a range of proportions.

To put it this way... by sticking to ACAs you’re guaranteed berry flavoured ice cream - you aren’t going to wind up with one vanilla stone and one strawberry stone. But there’s blueberry, strawberry, raspberry... and you want two blueberry pints. Or two raspberry pints, or two strawberry.

Ask about this explicitly.

Have you inquired into Crafted by Infinity? Any two CBI stones with comparable 4Cs are guaranteed to exhibit a particular flavour of light return - Infinity stones are specifically fashioned this way.

Interesting observation.

I’ve never looked closely at the specs for the pairs provided on the “diamond pair matches” of Whiteflash’s Database.

Is it falsely naive to assume that they’re actually well matched if both are ACA Stones and come up as a pair during a search?

 

[Pagalkutti]

Great question . .I would like to know as well since I am considering a whiteflash pair right now!

Interesting observation.

I’ve never looked closely at the specs for the pairs provided on the “diamond pair matches” of Whiteflash’s Database.

Is it falsely naive to assume that they’re actually well matched if both are ACA Stones and come up as a pair during a search?

 

[KKJohnson]

If you are using the matched pair search on Whiteflash then it is assumed that they have done all the the legwork to best pair the diamonds. Is it is always best to double check the numbers because some people may have a stricter variance than others or they are looking for specific angles.

With CBI they tend to cut the diamonds in similar sizes, this is also why CBI was suggested. Takes mist of the guesswork out of searching.

But to answer the question, no I don’t think it’s naive to assume that when using the pair search that is exactly what you are expecting, but like everything else it’s still best to check. As a consumer there is still a small portion of responsibility that falls upon us to make sure we are getting exactly what we expect

 

[KKJohnson]

@Pagalkutti what did the wifey say about the size difference?

 

[Pagalkutti]

I showed it to her and she did not notice a huge difference. She is OK with everything I am doing and is excited about the leverback earrings.

I have that E-Vs1 pair on hold at whiteflash currently and they are evaluating if they want to give me an offer for my trade in (2.65 I, Si1)

They also suggested this below for the leverback setting

https://www.whiteflash.com/diamond-earrings/inspiration-al-diamond-earring-settings-405.htm

@Pagalkutti what did the wifey say about the size difference?

 

[KKJohnson]

I showed it to her and she did not notice a huge difference. She is OK with everything I am doing and is excited about the leverback earrings.

I have that E-Vs1 pair on hold at whiteflash currently and they are evaluating if they want to give me an offer for my trade in (2.65 I, Si1)

They also suggested this below for the leverback setting

https://www.whiteflash.com/diamond-earrings/inspiration-al-diamond-earring-settings-405.htm

Oh how fun! Hopefully they will take the trade in

 

[Pagalkutti]

Long awaited update to this thread!

I had procured a 2.3 ct D Flawless from India and based on the advice on this thread ordered a custom cut 2.3 D VVS2 from Whiteflash.

The custom cut is finally done and below is the link

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4059902.htm

Does this meet all you folks requirements in terms of cut quality etc?

Next step is to combine the 2 stones into leverback earrings!

 

[Pagalkutti]

Oh and we did not mess with her 2.65 Ct ring....kept that as is

 

[Stephan]

You want D color, fine, buy these diamonds.
I really would prefer F color with 54-56 table.
And they even don't look alike.

 

[KKJohnson]

I don't think you have anything to worry about with the custom ACA from whiteflash, it looks great. You will also not see a visual size difference between them. Cant wait to see them as a beautiful pair!

https://www.diamdb.com/compare/2.3ct-round-8.44x8.48x5.22-vs-2.32ct-round-8.47x8.51x5.22/

 

[Pagalkutti]

Hi Stephan...I was looking for feedback on this particular stone below

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4059902.htm

 

[Pagalkutti]

Thx so much for punching in the numbers ....I know this thread has been long and old.

Looks like they are pretty close in size and as earrings won't be able to notice the minute size difference.

Whiteflash is actually imaging the 2.3 D-FL for me when I send that over to get it set as earrings because I was curious about the imaging on that compared to their ACA custom cut stone.

Will post pics of the imaging for both side by side and ofcourse of the finished product once done.

I don't think you have anything to worry about with the custom ACA from whiteflash, it looks great. You will also not see a visual size difference between them. Cant wait to see them as a beautiful pair!

https://www.diamdb.com/compare/2.3ct-round-8.44x8.48x5.22-vs-2.32ct-round-8.47x8.51x5.22/

 

[KKJohnson]

Thx so much for punching in the numbers ....I know this thread has been long and old.

Looks like they are pretty close in size and as earrings won't be able to notice the minute size difference.

Whiteflash is actually imaging the 2.3 D-FL for me when I send that over to get it set as earrings because I was curious about the imaging on that compared to their ACA custom cut stone.

Will post pics of the imaging for both side by side and ofcourse of the finished product once done.

OH that sounds exciting! Are they going to set both for you in one of theirs? Cant wait to see how the two compare

 

[Stephan]

Pagalkutti,
The Whiteflash diamond is a breathtaking diamond, but I wouldn't buy it.
D diamonds are expensive because they are rare, not because they look better than F.
I'm very active with Vietnamese people here who only buy D-VVS diamonds, and they are all jealous of my J-Z diamonds, because they don't understand cut.
I understand you are looking for purity, but F-VS is good enough; once set there is no difference with a D Flawless.
If you are looking for a special stone, try to keep the table % between 54-56 and buy a branded stone like Whiteflash, BGD, Infinity, etc.
With 57-58% table, some fire will be lost, yet the ACA diamond is still super ideal and better than 99.9 diamonds you will see in real life.
My personal preference goes for maximum 56% table, and once you wear a diamond, a single piece of unavoidable dust makes it become VS2 or worse, so VS1 is pure enough, really.
All the people here just try to help you save your money.
And now, if you really want a D color, you should ask the vendor to have a GIA certificate. It happened to me several times that AGS grade was softer than GIA.

 

[Pagalkutti]

Hmmm...everyone here said that it does not get better than ACA from whiteflash. I even went a step further and got a custom cut ACA from whiteflash

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4059902.htm

Should I now be concerned that my table is > 56 and and AGS D is not a real D color?

 

[jp201845]

56 table or less is a personal preference, there is nothing wrong with a 57 table and it's still puts you in ideal territory. An ACA stone that has been custom cut has super ideal proportion and D color graded by AGS is not a concern totally colorless.

 

[KKJohnson]

The ACA is as stated above within ideal proportions, if it hadn’t been then it would have been rejected for ACA status. A D is going to be colorless regardless if it was graded by AGS or GIA, you have nothing to worry about. Plus sadly to say this was a custom cut and WF fulfilled the order to specs so this stone is yours, you would have to “upgrade” if you didn’t like it which is spend one dollar more for a different one.

 

[LLJsmom]

I have read of instances where it went both ways with regard to color grading between GIA and AGS. At a D, you don't need to worry with either of GIA and AGS. Your ACA will be stunning. You better get your sunglasses ready because with that kind of cut and that color, you will likely be blinded. Relax. You've done EVERYTHING.

And don't worry about what people say about not needing a D Flawless. You have made it clear that for whatever reason, YOU need one. And you're the one paying for it. It's ok. We all have our own kind of crazy, and I mean this in the nicest way. You're done. Just sit back, and pick up a new hobby while you wait for your earrings to be done.

 

[Pagalkutti]

I have read of instances where it went both ways with regard to color grading between GIA and AGS. At a D, you don't need to worry with either of GIA and AGS. Your ACA will be stunning. You better get your sunglasses ready because with that kind of cut and that color, you will likely be blinded. Relax. You've done EVERYTHING.

And don't worry about what people say about not needing a D Flawless. You have made it clear that for whatever reason, YOU need one. And you're the one paying for it. It's ok. We all have our own kind of crazy, and I mean this in the nicest way. You're done. Just sit back, and pick up a new hobby while you wait for your earrings to be done.

Phew...makes me feel much better. Thank you .

 

[Pagalkutti]

Finally folks the moment of truth is here.

I sent my GIA XXX 2.3 D-FL stone to white flash for imaging to see how it compares to the custom cut ACA I ordered from them. Just got imaging back on my stone. See attached.

How does cut compare to my ACA. That is found here

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4059902.htm

FYI...this is a done deal but I am extremely curious on the cut quality of how these stones compare based on this imaging that everyone loves.

 

[KKJohnson]

Left is WF and right is self sourced diamond, sometimes a side by helps you see the noticeable differences. You have a nicely cut diamond either way and I doubt you will really be able to see the difference especially with them being earrings