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Aspie

Aspie

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Hi Pricescope team,

I had a chance to read up on diamonds since I decided to propose to my girlfriend of 5.5years. I would like to surprise her in the next few weeks (I think she's given up hope that we're ever going to get married). Based on all of the wonderful advice and conversations I've read here. I've narrowed it down to purchasing from Whiteflash and their "A Cut Above" diamonds.

I've been looking at a few SI1s and higher and the customer service chat assures me that if they list it as "eye clean" then it would be challenging to see the inclusions from 10 inches away with 20/20 vision.

I *THINK* I have it narrowed down to these three diamonds and will make the purchase either today or tomorrow!

I guess my main question is, is there anything majorly wrong or I need to be concerned about with the #1 diamond? I do give up some size with #2 and #3.

1. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3936424.htm

2. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3929360.htm

3. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3935929.htm

Any advice and opinions will be greatly appreciated. I have no experience in buying any jewelry as my girlfriend never years earrings or rings. She has very small dainty hands, I think a size 4 to 4.5 at most.

Thank you in advance for any suggestions to point me in the right direction :)
 
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I’m inclined to go with #3 for clarity. Cut is the same for all 3 stones, and the minimal 0.4mm spread you will loose between #1 & #3 is so minute, that it’s worth the sacrifice for a less-included Stone. You have weigh which is the 4 c’s are your main priority (after cut): carat, color or clarity. For me*, it’s clarity. An ideal cut diamond is going to out perform any diamond that isn’t ideal cut, and, likely, will face up, and appear larger than it weighs. Rounds tend to face up larger, in general, anyway; an AGS 000 ACA will blow all others out of the water.
G & F are barely noticeable, as far as tint of the stone. You will doubtfully notice a difference, table-down, and side-by-side. They are just too close on the spectrum for it to make a difference.
My vote: AGS000 ACA 0.902GVS1
 
How important is the magic "1Ct" number to you and your intended?

Although a 0.9Ct is nearly identical and much better value, there is a corresponding bragging right and price jump for "yes, this is above 1 Ct"

Second tip - put any stone(s) you really want on hold. Otherwise by the time someone has given you advice, someone else has purchased it.

You will need to ask WF directly to examine the stone and see how eye-clean it is at other angles. The inclusions (being SI1) are easy to spot in this one. Others more knowledgeable than me can comment on angles/proportions although I am having trouble deciding whether I like the G VS1 or the F SI1 more.
 
That's a huge jump in price. F, VVS2.

Make contact with a WF rep - ask them to do the search for you and send you real life photos and suggestions. They're good at the concierge style service. Busy as they are. And once you have a rep look after you, they look after you for life (or until one of you leaves!)

The other tip is ask them to send you some sizing rings or at least make sure you size her up correctly :)
 
tanalasta said:
That's a huge jump in price. F, VVS2.

Make contact with a WF rep - ask them to do the search for you and send you real life photos and suggestions. They're good at the concierge style service. Busy as they are. And once you have a rep look after you, they look after you for life (or until one of you leaves!)

The other tip is ask them to send you some sizing rings or at least make sure you size her up correctly :)
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The other 3, in addition to FVVS1 didn’t post. I fixed it. There are now 4 alternative options....
 
Matthews1127 said:
I’m inclined to go with #3 for clarity. Cut is the same for all 3 stones, and the minimal 0.4mm spread you will loose between #1 & #3 is so minute, that it’s worth the sacrifice for a less-included Stone. You have weigh which is the 4 c’s are your main priority (after cut): carat, color or clarity. For me*, it’s clarity. An ideal cut diamond is going to out perform any diamond that isn’t ideal cut, and, likely, will face up, and appear larger than it weighs. Rounds tend to face up larger, in general, anyway; an AGS 000 ACA will blow all others out of the water.
G & F are barely noticeable, as far as tint of the stone. You will doubtfully notice a difference, table-down, and side-by-side. They are just too close on the spectrum for it to make a difference.
My vote: AGS000 ACA 0.902GVS1
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Thank you so much for the advice! I think with my gf and I both not having any experience with jewlery, anything that looks clean without examining it in super detail would work.

tanalasta said:
How important is the magic "1Ct" number to you and your intended?

Although a 0.9Ct is nearly identical and much better value, there is a corresponding bragging right and price jump for "yes, this is above 1 Ct"

Second tip - put any stone(s) you really want on hold. Otherwise by the time someone has given you advice, someone else has purchased it.

You will need to ask WF directly to examine the stone and see how eye-clean it is at other angles. The inclusions (being SI1) are easy to spot in this one. Others more knowledgeable than me can comment on angles/proportions although I am having trouble deciding whether I like the G VS1 or the F SI1 more.
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Thank you for this advice, I will ask WF to hold these diamonds for me for now!

Matthews1127 said:
What do you think of these?

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3935928.htm

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3935935.htm

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3936456.htm

My favorite:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3833732.htm
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Thank you for those suggestions :) I'm looking now!
 
tanalasta said:
How important is the magic "1Ct" number to you and your intended?

Although a 0.9Ct is nearly identical and much better value, there is a corresponding bragging right and price jump for "yes, this is above 1 Ct"

Second tip - put any stone(s) you really want on hold. Otherwise by the time someone has given you advice, someone else has purchased it.

You will need to ask WF directly to examine the stone and see how eye-clean it is at other angles. The inclusions (being SI1) are easy to spot in this one. Others more knowledgeable than me can comment on angles/proportions although I am having trouble deciding whether I like the G VS1 or the F SI1 more.
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Agree with holding any potential stones before someone else snatches them up.
As far as angles/proportions, AGS000 is superior to any other lab cut grade on Earth; no calculations are necessary. AGSL is extremely strict on their cut grading. Any of the diamonds posted here, in the thread, are guaranteed to be ideal.
Some of the “under 1ct” choices I posted have beautiful spread, and rival the 1ct diamond in the initial post, in measurements. For the nice difference in price, those are really worth investigating further, and considering for purchase.
 
tanalasta said:
You will need to ask WF directly to examine the stone and see how eye-clean it is at other angles. The inclusions (being SI1) are easy to spot in this one. Others more knowledgeable than me can comment on angles/proportions although I am having trouble deciding whether I like the G VS1 or the F SI1 more.
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I inquired about the larger 1.05 SI1 G stone and they said that it is eye-clean from 10 inches top and 8 inches side, but they assured me that it is eye clean and the cut will distract from any inclusions that might be distracting. I had them put that on hold for now but exploring all of the other options that has been suggested.

I think a 1ct might be good but I know that is harder to achieve with the ACA cut and clarity/color.
 
I'd be inclined to stick with a 1 carat since its in your budget and G is a very white color (I might would suggest going lower in size if you were having to go
down to J/K color to hit 1 carat...but you dont). I would ask what you can see at like 6 inches though. Can they see any inclusions at 6 inches?

Did you look at these stones...
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3930753.htm
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3936463.htm

Along with your original 1.05 G/SI1

I would ask you sales consultant to look at these 3 stones and talk you through them (which ones can you not see inclusions close up, color, sparkle etc).
They are all well-cut so difference in sparkle, brilliance, fire will all be minute. If none of these work for you then I would move down in size.
 
I second what tyty said - you could definitely afford a 1ct stone and I personally wouldn't choose a .90 in a higher color for the same price or higher. G is very white and remember that these stones are the size of a pencil eraser....inclusions will be very difficult to see. Even that H is beautiful!!
 
Thank you so much for everyone's input! I've changed direction just a little bit on color and clarity and was wondering if it would be possible for some advice on these last 3 diamonds before I make my purchase today :)

I know that the 0.973ct isn't quite 1ct but it looks very clean and appears to be cut really well. However, having a full 1ct is also really appealing.

My questions are... how do their IdealScope, ASET (the green center looks a little different on #1 compared to the rest), and Hearts compare? Is there anything wrong with #1 that I should be concern about?

I have scheduled a consult with Whiteflash to discuss more details later today but everyone here has had such wonderful input, I thought I'd run it through with you guys :)

Both are within my budget and I'll be putting in my order today :D

#1 https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3936461.htm (1.012ct, I, VS2)

#2 https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3934820.htm (0.973, I, VS2)

#3 https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3930753.htm (1.012, G, SI1) recommended by tyt333.

I should mention that it will go on a platinum setting and I'm not sure how much the G to I color will look?

Thank you again!
 
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If you're willing to go past the magic 1 figure... just do it... girls may not openly say so, but they all secretly want to be on the over 1Ct side. Unless you're 100% sure she doesn't care. To be safe, I'd pay the extra.

I is two colour grades. I notice the difference. It's not a fair comparison - a 1 colour grade difference maybe, but 2 is a noticeable difference. On a computer screen. In real life it probably doesn't matter as much.

The G SI1 is eye clean if it's 'ACA' but I would email your rep at WF and ask them to pull the stone aside and let you know 'how' eye clean - i.e. are the inclusions visible at different angles and at what viewing distance, not just their criteria. I can spot the inclusion in my diamond with the naked eye if it's held right up to my eye (it's a VS2) so it's worth asking. *oh wait, you answered that already* I think there are better SI1's available.

Any mall jeweller will have 'I' coloured diamonds for you to look at. But they're unlikely to be as sparkly as the WF ones. You can ask whether WF think it's a 'high' I grade (I don't think so) but once set and hit with sunlight, it's still going to look beautiful. Especially in a platinum setting. Sometimes it's easier to pick up the phone rather than email if you want to discuss the final points. There is nothing wrong with an I coloured stone. And unless your intended has it fixed she wants something very white/colourless, a 1ct WF ACA stone in sunlight is still glorious in an I colour.

For the reasons above, I'd pick the 1.012 I, VS2 personally. But there's no harm also in asking if there's a H, VS2 coming up and what that would roughly cost.

Your next challenge is to get her ring sizing and design right. Good luck and all the best!
 
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And seriously!!! Ask them to hold the diamond! All three of the ones in the link are showing available. I was tempted to buy one...
 
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