ADGL certificate on 3.02c princess

[laurenk]

Hi again - here is the cert I got yesterday. I want comments on all the figures and measurements. I know it's a p1 and have viewed it - I don't know if all the percentages are good etc. I tried the hca calculator but is this for round stones only?

Appreciate any input.

 

[Christina...]

I've never heard of this lab. the color and clarity are likely much lower than if GIA or AGS were to grade it.

 

[sakari_8]

HCA score is meant only for round shaped diamonds and it gives an overview of the light reflection, sparkle, and scintillation on the diamond. If you wish to go for a princess cut diamond you need to make sure that the depth is over 59% and below 77% whereas the table should be over 53% and below 65% which will ensure better brilliance and sparkle on the diamond.
I would also advise you to go for GIA, AGS certifications as they are very precise on specifying the diamond which makes them very pronounced for their work. You can look at many online retail stores who offer competitive prices for the diamonds.

 

[laurenk]

I'm in Australia - and this is a lab here. Thanks for your info - ill see whether I can have it certified by AGS or GIA but I'm not sure if I can given they don't have offices here I don't think.

 

[Christina...]

Any stone can be sent to GIA or AGS for grading, however it will have to be submitted by an AGS member I believe if you wish for AGSL to do it.

Anyone can call themselves a lab, how much do you know about this one? The most accurate labs in the world are GIA and AGSL, and I wouldn't recommend purchasing from any other except in very specific circumstances. The problem is that most are not accurate or consistent in their grading making the determination of a fair price very difficult. In most cases you will end up over paying for a stone graded by any other lab. There isn't an industry standard for color cut or clarity although most labs grade them based on GIA's system. This is misleading in my opinion because it gives the consumer a false sense of security. Most consumers believe that an H by GIA standards is the same as an H by any other labs standards and that just isn't true. You have no idea if this stone is comparable to a GIA H or a GIA L. I have personally seen reports by EGL be off by as little as a color grade and as many as 5! Yikes! So, as you can see it makes determining 'fair price' extremely difficult if not impossible!

 

[The sun is shining]

ADGL is widely recognised in Australia, not so much the rest of the world. I am no expert, but I believe their grading to be as stringent as GIA and AGL. It is very difficult to get AGL stones is Australia.

http://www.adgl.com.au/

 

[justginger]

ADGL is widely recognised in Australia, not so much the rest of the world. I am no expert, but I believe their grading to be as stringent as GIA and AGL. It is very difficult to get AGL stones is Australia.

http://www.adgl.com.au/

Barf - the diamond situation in Australia is miserable. This lab is NOT equivalent to GIA/AGS. The very best jewellers down here still insist on stocking only GIA/AGS stones (in Perth that is limited to Solid Gold, who sent the same stone to multiple labs and displays their various reports as proof to the grading stringency differences).

OP, if you want a beautiful princess, buy an AGS0 from Whiteflash and pay the 10% GST on entry. Your stone will be ACCURATELY graded and SIGNIFICANTLY more beautiful than what you can find in Oz for the same price. I buy ALL my stones from the States, the Australian diamond market is so inaccurate and overpriced.

And I'd do it before the exchange rate drops any further...

 

[msop04]

ADGL is widely recognised in Australia, not so much the rest of the world. I am no expert, but I believe their grading to be as stringent as GIA and AGL. It is very difficult to get AGL stones is Australia.

http://www.adgl.com.au/

Barf - the diamond situation in Australia is miserable. This lab is NOT equivalent to GIA/AGS. The very best jewellers down here still insist on stocking only GIA/AGS stones (in Perth that is limited to Solid Gold, who sent the same stone to multiple labs and displays their various reports as proof to the grading stringency differences).

OP, if you want a beautiful princess, buy an AGS0 from Whiteflash and pay the 10% GST on entry. Your stone will be ACCURATELY graded and SIGNIFICANTLY more beautiful than what you can find in Oz for the same price. I buy ALL my stones from the States, the Australian diamond market is so inaccurate and overpriced.

And I'd do it before the exchange rate drops any further...

The bolded is very interesting. I wish other jewelers would do the same to show consumers that all labs do not grade the same. I had been wondering about this lab, as I see it pop up on the forum quite a lot... Thanks for posting, justginger!

 

[WinkHPD]

Jewelers here have done it and with varying results. The biggest problem is that it is so expensive and to do it only with one stone is such a meaningless test statistics wise.

Pricescope did it many years ago and the thread is here somewhere. I forget how many stones were involced.

Wink

 

[laurenk]

Who does asset or idealscope in Brisbane? Does anyone know a way of searching for labs that provide this?

 

[justginger]

Who does asset or idealscope in Brisbane? Does anyone know a way of searching for labs that provide this?

You can try ringing around, but I'm pretty confident that you will not find anyone who does so. If you want to buy the best cut, correctly graded stone, you simply will not be able to purchase locally. Why are you not interested in buying from a reputable American PS jeweller?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Who does asset or idealscope in Brisbane? Does anyone know a way of searching for labs that provide this?

Maybe Cut Nut can help you with this purchase since he is in Australia.

http://www.hollowaydiamonds.com.au/

 

[Christina...]

I was helping someone on another thread in Australia and he was working with Jogia, they supplied idealscope and ASET images, but I'm not sure where in Australia they are located. I've never worked with them, although another regular has and stated that she had a positive experience.

http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/

 

[justginger]

I was helping someone on another thread in Australia and he was working with Jogia, they supplied idealscope and ASET images, but I'm not sure where in Australia they are located. I've never worked with them, although another regular has and stated that she had a positive experience.

http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/

Jogia is in Perth, but I think they may have another capital city location as well. By all accounts they are lovely and have nice stones...but they also have Australian retail pricing.

 

[derfel]

I'm not sure about jewellers in Brisbane but if you look hard enough you might find some.
I trawled through non-chain jewelers around Melbourne's east looking for mountings and I found 4 who sell GIA graded diamonds. Usually you only need to ask the sales staff who grades their diamonds and you'll find out (either they tell you or don't know!)

Have a research on ADGL (http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/diamond_education/australian_diamond_grading_laboratory_(adgl)/), but I'd probably insist on AGS/GIA certs. Michael Hill trades in ADGL certified diamonds so you can have a look at the diamond and the report to compare.

Hardy Brothers I think do sell AGS/GIA graded diamonds but expect to pay a price premium.
https://www.hardybrothers.com.au/about-hardy-brothers/boutiques/brisbane

 

[Christina...]

I was helping someone on another thread in Australia and he was working with Jogia, they supplied idealscope and ASET images, but I'm not sure where in Australia they are located. I've never worked with them, although another regular has and stated that she had a positive experience.

http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/

Jogia is in Perth, but I think they may have another capital city location as well. By all accounts they are lovely and have nice stones...but they also have Australian retail pricing.

Laurenk, under the circumstances l would suggest doing price comparisons between a local vendor and one from the US adding the 10% GST that JG mentioned and doing comps on GIA or AGS stones only to determine where you will get not only the best price but also the information needed to make the most informed decision. I would also consider the additional add ons that each vendor can offer you such as upgrades, trade ins, and buy back policies which may or may not add value for you. I would also, as already mentioned seriously investigate the lab issuing the report for whichever stone you choose and be confident and comfortable with that choice before proceeding.

 

[misskittycat]

Lauren, if you are in Sydney I can recommend GP Israel. I believe all of their stones are GIA graded. My engagement ring centre stone certainly was. Cheryl is fabulous.

Only you can decide if this diamond is acceptable for you. I'm not sure you will get much support here but if you want a 3ct stone in that price range you will have to make compromises. If you are happy with the grading and the stone speaks to you then go for it. But is this an ideal stone? Probably not.

The complete lack of well priced diamonds in Australia (specifically antique diamonds) is why I turned to JbEG to find my most recent purchase.

 

[sakari_8]

I think your main concern should be of getting a best diamond at the best price. You can go for GIA, AGS or even EGL USA from any online retail store and take benefit of the return policy. You can check for the online retail stores who provide Ideal Scope and digital images to better understand how the diamond is. You can get the diamond appraised from any local jeweler to check its genuinity and if you find it not to be up to the mark, you can simple return the diamond.
There are many online retail stores who offer competitive prices than any local jeweler. You can try looking at the diamond blueprints from b2cjewels.com as they have the most competitive prices and offer 30 day return policy as well. You may also look at James Allen for the loose diamonds.