A really nicely cut princess

[oldminer]

1.22ct, H VS2

66.7% depth, 67.8% table, sl thk girdle, closed culet. 12.3% cr hgt.

One of the few which have scored AGA 1A.

It has an older GIA report from 2002, so it beat the AGS 0 princess standards to the market by a couple years.

 

[oldminer]

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[chrono]

With a depth in the mid 60''s, this PC faces up very well.

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Dave,

Please tell me that you are kidding.

 

[oldminer]

It is a very attractive diamond and I suppose not cut to the standard Paul now produces which have their own distinct set of looks and atrributes. I don''t know if it performs up to the level of the best AGS 0 princess cut stones because there was not time to test it, but probably some that Paul cuts have greater brilliancy. The idea was to display a very pretty stone, cut to a different standard, from a previous time in the history of cutting, though only a few years ago.

I am sure that many people would like the look of this diamond and would feel it had a very positive visual appeal. Just like some old cut diamonds have excellent eye appeal yet don''t have today''s performance, many think they are still great to look at and to own.

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 12/14/2007 1:50:51 PM
Author: oldminer
It is a very attractive diamond and I suppose not cut to the standard Paul now produces which have their own distinct set of looks and atrributes. I don''t know if it performs up to the level of the best AGS 0 princess cut stones because there was not time to test it, but probably some that Paul cuts have greater brilliancy. The idea was to display a very pretty stone, cut to a different standard, from a previous time in the history of cutting, though only a few years ago.

I am sure that many people would like the look of this diamond and would feel it had a very positive visual appeal. Just like some old cut diamonds have excellent eye appeal yet don''t have today''s performance, many think they are still great to look at and to own.

Dave,

Didn''t you test it on Imagem? Why wouldn''t you?

It makes having diamonds next to each other, from one point of view...passe...right?

Isn''t that in substantial ways the point of your now not so new tool?

 

[Rhino]

Yea Dave ... you got an Imagem on that one? I''d be curious to see that. I agree with you however that ASET images (and even reflector images) are not the best tools for determining beauty all the time, especially in fancies.

Hope you''re having a great season.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 12/14/2007 6:00:11 PM
Author: Rhino
Yea Dave ... you got an Imagem on that one? I''d be curious to see that. I agree with you however that ASET images (and even reflector images) are not the best tools for determining beauty all the time, especially in fancies.

Hope you''re having a great season.

Would you please show examples where a good ASET was a bad looking stone Rhino?

I know of some examples, but they are probably for a different reason than what you are suggesting.
I would like to hear your opinion / see some examples.
It can of course wait a week and a half if need be.

 

[oldminer]

I had the stone at a moment when I could not get to the VeriGem. It would have scored in the top three grades, I believe. Maybe I can borrow it back next week if it is not already set.

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 12/14/2007 6:53:49 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/14/2007 6:00:11 PM

Author: Rhino

Yea Dave ... you got an Imagem on that one? I''d be curious to see that. I agree with you however that ASET images (and even reflector images) are not the best tools for determining beauty all the time, especially in fancies.


Hope you''re having a great season.

Would you please show examples where a good ASET was a bad looking stone Rhino?


I know of some examples, but they are probably for a different reason than what you are suggesting.

I would like to hear your opinion / see some examples.

It can of course wait a week and a half if need be.

i interpreted Rhino''s comment to mean that a stone that had a possible poor or bad ASET could still be a good looking stone, not the opposite. I hope he''ll come back and explain...

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 12/14/2007 8:26:37 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 12/14/2007 6:53:49 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/14/2007 6:00:11 PM

Author: Rhino

Yea Dave ... you got an Imagem on that one? I''d be curious to see that. I agree with you however that ASET images (and even reflector images) are not the best tools for determining beauty all the time, especially in fancies.


Hope you''re having a great season.

Would you please show examples where a good ASET was a bad looking stone Rhino?


I know of some examples, but they are probably for a different reason than what you are suggesting.

I would like to hear your opinion / see some examples.

It can of course wait a week and a half if need be.

i interpreted Rhino''s comment to mean that a stone that had a possible poor or bad ASET could still be a good looking stone, not the opposite. I hope he''ll come back and explain...

Hope so too. But if the ASET is bad, then the stone can not return much light.
I suspect he means he has seen stones with good ASET and bad appearance.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 12/14/2007 11:47:01 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Hope so too. But if the ASET is bad, then the stone can not return much light.
I suspect he means he has seen stones with good ASET and bad appearance.

careful Garry some of the stones you like may have too much blue and be considered bad in the aset yet be stunning for pendants and earrings.
Iv seen more than a few stones that looked bleh at 10" that looked stunning at 24" (mostly step cuts but it happens with shallow rounds too)

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 12/14/2007 10:00:20 AM
Author:oldminer
1.22ct, H VS2

66.7% depth, 67.8% table, sl thk girdle, closed culet. 12.3% cr hgt.

One of the few which have scored AGA 1A.

It has an older GIA report from 2002, so it beat the AGS 0 princess standards to the market by a couple years.

I'm not surprised that it looks decent and would agree that isn't as likely as bright as one of Paul's works of art but it does have a balance of light return and contrast that on the finger might look very good.
Leakage gets a bad name around here but it does provide excellent contrast if the light return around it is good.

 

[Rhino]

Date: 12/14/2007 6:53:49 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/14/2007 6:00:11 PM
Author: Rhino
Yea Dave ... you got an Imagem on that one? I'd be curious to see that. I agree with you however that ASET images (and even reflector images) are not the best tools for determining beauty all the time, especially in fancies.

Hope you're having a great season.

Would you please show examples where a good ASET was a bad looking stone Rhino?

I know of some examples, but they are probably for a different reason than what you are suggesting.
I would like to hear your opinion / see some examples.
It can of course wait a week and a half if need be.

Greetings Garry,

Just up reading a tad. Yes ... there are stones that I've seen get the AGS Ideal rating for light performance that I personally don't care for. Off the cuff I can't think of a *particular* stone but I've returned ideal stones that didn't perform quite the same as the stones I am accustomed to cherry picking with the technologies I employ. If memory serves me right I may even have a little demonstration I had recorded in the past of this. Remind me after the holiday's and I'll dig through my archives to see if I can find you an example. If I am allowed to post a link I did recently shoot a vid demonstrating some differences in appearance among 2 princess cuts with the Ideal rating for light performance to show a client.

Regards,

 

[Rhino]

Date: 12/14/2007 6:53:49 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/14/2007 6:00:11 PM
Author: Rhino
Yea Dave ... you got an Imagem on that one? I''d be curious to see that. I agree with you however that ASET images (and even reflector images) are not the best tools for determining beauty all the time, especially in fancies.

Hope you''re having a great season.

Would you please show examples where a good ASET was a bad looking stone Rhino?

I know of some examples, but they are probably for a different reason than what you are suggesting.
I would like to hear your opinion / see some examples.
It can of course wait a week and a half if need be.

I''m also curious to see your examples and reasoning as well when you get the time. If not till after the holiday''s I understand.

Kind regards,

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 12/15/2007 12:08:46 AM
Author: Rhino

Date: 12/14/2007 6:53:49 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/14/2007 6:00:11 PM
Author: Rhino
Yea Dave ... you got an Imagem on that one? I''d be curious to see that. I agree with you however that ASET images (and even reflector images) are not the best tools for determining beauty all the time, especially in fancies.

Hope you''re having a great season.

Would you please show examples where a good ASET was a bad looking stone Rhino?

I know of some examples, but they are probably for a different reason than what you are suggesting.
I would like to hear your opinion / see some examples.
It can of course wait a week and a half if need be.

Greetings Garry,

Just up reading a tad. Yes ... there are stones that I''ve seen get the AGS Ideal rating for light performance that I personally don''t care for. Off the cuff I can''t think of a *particular* stone but I''ve returned ideal stones that didn''t perform quite the same as the stones I am accustomed to cherry picking with the technologies I employ. If memory serves me right I may even have a little demonstration I had recorded in the past of this. Remind me after the holiday''s and I''ll dig through my archives to see if I can find you an example. If I am allowed to post a link I did recently shoot a vid demonstrating some differences in appearance among 2 princess cuts with the Ideal rating to show a client.

Regards,

Aha - Rhino we are talking about different things I fear.
I too have seen AGS princess that had good light return and did not turn me on.

The question again, is highlighted in yellow above is a different one to your answer.

Storm - I am not thinking about too much blue etc - there is another type of failing that Sergey and Yuri noticed a few years back. But we should wait for Rhino to provide a refined answer.
(I imagine you are rather tired Rhino, so we will not pick on you )

 

[Rhino]

Date: 12/15/2007 12:24:46 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/15/2007 12:08:46 AM
Author: Rhino

Date: 12/14/2007 6:53:49 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/14/2007 6:00:11 PM
Author: Rhino
Yea Dave ... you got an Imagem on that one? I'd be curious to see that. I agree with you however that ASET images (and even reflector images) are not the best tools for determining beauty all the time, especially in fancies.

Hope you're having a great season.

Would you please show examples where a good ASET was a bad looking stone Rhino?

I know of some examples, but they are probably for a different reason than what you are suggesting.
I would like to hear your opinion / see some examples.
It can of course wait a week and a half if need be.

Greetings Garry,

Just up reading a tad. Yes ... there are stones that I've seen get the AGS Ideal rating for light performance that I personally don't care for. Off the cuff I can't think of a *particular* stone but I've returned ideal stones that didn't perform quite the same as the stones I am accustomed to cherry picking with the technologies I employ. If memory serves me right I may even have a little demonstration I had recorded in the past of this. Remind me after the holiday's and I'll dig through my archives to see if I can find you an example. If I am allowed to post a link I did recently shoot a vid demonstrating some differences in appearance among 2 princess cuts with the Ideal rating to show a client.

Regards,

Aha - Rhino we are talking about different things I fear.
I too have seen AGS princess that had good light return and did not turn me on.

The question again, is highlighted in yellow above is a different one to your answer.

Storm - I am not thinking about too much blue etc - there is another type of failing that Sergey and Yuri noticed a few years back. But we should wait for Rhino to provide a refined answer.
(I imagine you are rather tired Rhino, so we will not pick on you )

LOL... yes I am rather tired at the moment. Are you in attack mode? I don't have the time or energy right now.

I agree with your statement above that I highlighted. I have seen princess cuts that show good light return in reflectors but be stones I wouldn't spend my capital on. It's one reason why I don't use or point to reflectors as an end-all be-all. Interesting information ... yes. Conclusive? No. Especially with fancies.

You see ... "good ASET" can be a matter of interpretation. There is a variety of ASET imagery that constitute "Ideal" and what some may consider "good" ... I man not necessarily or personally agree. Show me what you mean by good and I'll tell you if we're on the same page.

Peace,

 

[Rhino]

Sorry to cut out but I got a long day ahead of me tomorrow and gotta catch some shut eye.

Good chatting.

I''ll try and log on when I get some time mate.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 12/15/2007 12:30:04 AM
Author: Rhino

Date: 12/15/2007 12:24:46 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)




Aha - Rhino we are talking about different things I fear.
I too have seen AGS princess that had good light return and did not turn me on.

The question again, is highlighted in yellow above is a different one to your answer.

Storm - I am not thinking about too much blue etc - there is another type of failing that Sergey and Yuri noticed a few years back. But we should wait for Rhino to provide a refined answer.
(I imagine you are rather tired Rhino, so we will not pick on you )

LOL... yes I am rather tired at the moment. Are you in attack mode? I don''t have the time or energy right now.

I agree with your statement above that I highlighted. I have seen princess cuts that show good light return in reflectors but be stones I wouldn''t spend my capital on. It''s one reason why I don''t use or point to reflectors as an end-all be-all. Interesting information ... yes. Conclusive? No. Especially with fancies.

You see ... ''good ASET'' can be a matter of interpretation. There is a variety of ASET imagery that constitute ''Ideal'' and what some may consider ''good'' ... I man not necessarily or personally agree. Show me what you mean by good and I''ll tell you if we''re on the same page.

Peace,

Come on Rhino - you really are tired when you can not tell if I am in attack mode

I really am not. I promise. Remeber i am an Aussie and we never hide our intent

It is an interesting point, and a good learning one for us all.

I would not pick the stone Dave posted as good, although I agree with storm that the dark zones could be well distributed. But in most lighting it would be lifeless.

Apart from some specific examples of ''good'' or even phenomenal in cerain cuts, I think it is highly unlikely that a princess cut with a great ASET 30 would be anything other than great. Of course if it had big leakage zones just inside the table when tilted slightly that would be a problem.