a pair of J/IFs. Need help with prices. Urgent. Thanks!!

[Love Diamonds]

Hi,

The diamond experts on this forum and all others please reply with your inputs.

I am looking at a pair of diamonds for earrings with the following specs:

Stone 1 - 1.05, Round - 6.4x6.52x4.04mm
J, IF, very slight fluorescence, Depth 62.2%, Table 55.6%, Crown 13%, Pavilion 43%, Girdle Thin to medium (faceted) and no culet. Polish and Symetry V Gd

Stone 2 - 1.03, Round - 6.52x6.56x3.99,,
J, IF, Depth 61%, Table 57.5%, Crown 14.5%, Pav 43.5%, Girdle thin to medium, no culet. Polish and Symetry V Gd

The above are IGI''s grading.

What are the thoughts on the specs and the brilliance?

Please share your suggestions on the best settings for these.

As a buyer what should a GOOD price be?

Thank you all in advance for your input and help!!

Love Diamonds

 

[indecisive]

I can''t comment on the brilliance of the diamond but you will be paying a lot to get that IF clarity grade, especially for earrings, which won''t be viewed at a super close range. Good luck!

 

[FireGoddess]

I would absolutely be knocking down the clarity on a pair of stones for earrings...down to SI1 or eye clean SI2 since earrings are far less scrutinized up close than something like a ring. And then you can either get bigger stones or go up in color. Just my 2 cents!!!

 

[CdnBlingGal]

What they said. I would go down in clarity to even a VS or SI1/SI2 (eye clean) and up in color to F/G/H and/or to larger stones but I think 1 ct each is quite large in my eyes for lobes. JMO.

 

[Love Diamonds]

I have been offered this pair in an international market. Agree that one does not need IF for earrings, otherwise. Hence am asking about price points to determine if I should consider for purchase or not.

Grading experts please reply with what the RIGHT price would be. Thanks.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

The right price for water is
free
$1 a bottle in super market
$5 served in nice restaurant
all these are right

I do not like 43.5% pavilions
IF = value if it means something to you.
I have a client who buys IF because it is a symbol of love and commitmment (and he can afford it)

 

[strmrdr]

I would never accept an igi IF grade and pay the premium for it.
With igi you never know what your getting.
In a dateline investigation they were the worst lab as far as accuracy goes so you never know what your getting.

 

[strmrdr]

J-IF commercial quality cut GIA report 1.01ct 4,660.00 online.
So for an igi graded stone maybe 75% of that tops.
$3500 tops
If it was me id drop the clarity and go up in cut and get a more accurate report.

 

[JohnQuixote]

Date: 1/12/2006 1:09:25 AM
Author:Love Diamonds
Hi,

The diamond experts on this forum and all others please reply with your inputs.

I am looking at a pair of diamonds for earrings with the following specs:

Stone 1 - 1.05, Round - 6.4x6.52x4.04mm
J, IF, very slight fluorescence, Depth 62.2%, Table 55.6%, Crown 13%, Pavilion 43%, Girdle Thin to medium (faceted) and no culet. Polish and Symetry V Gd

Stone 2 - 1.03, Round - 6.52x6.56x3.99,,
J, IF, Depth 61%, Table 57.5%, Crown 14.5%, Pav 43.5%, Girdle thin to medium, no culet. Polish and Symetry V Gd

The above are IGI''s grading.

What are the thoughts on the specs and the brilliance?

Please share your suggestions on the best settings for these.

As a buyer what should a GOOD price be?

Thank you all in advance for your input and help!!

Love Diamonds

Love Diamonds, thank you for the PM.

I wonder about the suitability as earrings: There is > 2% difference in table size and 1% in depth. For earrings the table size difference in particular is not a good match. One diamond has some fluoro and the other does not.

For budget, completely eye-clean diamonds appear to the naked eye just like IF. Of course, clarity is a personal issue, and if IF is what you want you should pursue it. An IGI FL is definitely a less expensive way to get ''flawless'' diamonds.

The best diamonds in the world *could* be sent to IGI for grading, so these may have great cut and be truly flawless (?) but we can''t know from this info. J color, FL clarity, polish/sym grades and level of fluorescense could be softer than other, stricter labs. Interesting to see IF diamonds with VG polish & symmetry.

As was mentioned, GIA 60/60 J IF diamonds at that size can be found in the upper $4000s. These may have better cut than average (?) but I would not make such a purchase without knowing crown and pavilion angles (not just %), and I would not pay as much as for J/IF from a stronger lab. Of course, if you are just looking for something to call ''flawless,'' they may serve.

Best wishes,

 

[valeria101]

When you write 'I am looking' you mean you have seen these in person? That should at least sort out the guesswork about whether the actual color and matching is OK with you.


Since I haven't seen them, comparing prices between different labs' grades needs second guessing

'IF' should be better than eye-clean, so no concern there as long as the price is right for the type of grading (i.e. the lab strictness issue that was already mentioned on this thread).

If the J color grade is loosely applied though, that one is on the verge of 'near colorless' and 1 carat K may look quite a bit more tinted that 1 carat K does. It isn't hard to imagine that the GIA-equivalent grade may be more than one step down (K-L) and that would make allot more difference for the price, looks and value, IMO.

Comparing prices with GIA K-VS1... would make my price reference for these, but I am not an expert. And for good bargain-hunting sake, I would expect less for a private sale than retail. (is it the case?)


If they look nice and you find the match acceptable, why not though. Sadly, there is no way to see the diamonds through a computer screen and grades on paper get to be so crucial. 'On the ground' you may always have them sent to a lab or appraiser to check what is what. Some sellers would agree, some not. Would this work for you?

If GIA or AGS H-I SI1 ideals fit into the price, I would find that to be a safer bet. Even if the weight and size is slightly less.


Perhaps these have been offered to you for a real bargain - and that would make a difference. I doubt they could be inexpensive enough to be worth recutting below 1 ct if you would want top quality in that regard.

Returning to the K-VS1 GIA reference, and the list of prices here: that would be about $3500 each and in the same bracket also fits something like 90 pts (6.2mm) G-SI1 (EGL - US preferable). I wish they posted the proportions or copies of the lab reports for those stones... but you can always ask for those, and a listing like this below sounds intriguing enough for that:

weight: 0.91
size: 6.22x6.30
Grades: G-SI1 (EGL)
depth: 60.4%
table: 56%
girdle: m-
fluorescence: no
symmetry: ex
polish: vg
culet: no

And

weight: 0.90
size: 6.20x6.25
grades: G-SI1 (EGL)
depth: 60.1%
table: 59%
girdle: m-stk
culet: no
symmetry: vg
polish: gd
culet: no


Btw. I would take similar with Ex symmetry and 60-ish table any day, especially for earrigs (not because earrings are under less close scrutiny, but because less contrast might be a good thing for diamonds that are always seen from arm length) - if there was one. As is, don't ask me why table over 68 is discounted - probably some lingering rule of thumb from the old (and now replaced) AGS ideal cut grade.



My 2c.