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5 carat emerald diamond, Please help me decide

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Shiny_Rock
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Hello all,
I have always loved loved loved the step cut and I have an opportunity to buy a 5 carat emerald but I really would love to get some thoughts and feed back from all the knowledgeable pricescopers here :) I have tried to watch as many youtube videos and research everything I can find on the internet but I am still have no where near have the expertise I need to make an educated decision on such a large purchase. I would be purchasing from my good friends long time good friend.

Here are the specs from two certs:
Gia Cert dated 5/13
Emerald Cut, 5.01 carats, J, SI1 (eye clean), 10.9x8.37x6.04, polish VG, symmetry G, fluorescence SB, table 66%, depth 72.1 %, culet very small, girdle very thin-extremely thick

EGL USA dated 9/13
Emerald Step, 5.01 carats, H, VS2, 10.88x8.36x6.04, polish VG, symmetry excelent, fluorescence faint, table 64%, depth 72.2%, culet very small, girdle thin to medium polished, crown 13.2%, pavilion 56.3%

it comes already mounted on a simple plat prong basket setting on a simple band. I have not seen it in person yet but I will be able to next week if I choose to.
$48K

here are my questions:
1) I know that Gia has higher standards than EGL but there is such a large discrepancy on color, fluorescence, symmetry that I wonder if I should worry about it. I am most concerned about the symmetry and fluorescence being so off from each other. Also I cant find pavilion or crown on the GIA cert. Does gia not give those measurements?

2) From my research I know that 72.2% depth is way too deep. Does this only affect how large the stone looks from face up? Or does that kind of depth also affect the face up brilliance, scintillation, fire of the stone?

3) I originally did not want anything lower than an I color but from my research I have learned that a J with SB fluorescence will help the color look at least one color grade higher. I know there is a lot of debate on the fluorescence issue but what are your thoughts on the specs of this stone as it relates to fluorescence?

4) I have the option of buying the stone sans setting for a little bit more of a discount but I don't mind the setting. If I buy with setting should I be concerned that I have not seen the stone outside of setting? Is there anything about the stone that could be hidden by the setting?

5) And lastly but certainly not least, I am suppose to be getting a very good price for this stone. Please let me know if it is in fact a good price as I know SI1 J strong blue fluorescence and 72.1% depth is probably not terrible but certainly not top of the line either.

Thank you to anyone who responds with answers, thought or info. I really could use it!
 
I'm no expert on emerald but I read that color shows up more in fancies and are more concentrated in deeper stones. Not sure how that will affect the face up color. Effect of Florescence only kicks in when uv is present hence it won't appear whiter in lighting conditions when there's no uv. No idea on pricing.
 
sounds like an amazing deal. I would assume GIA is more accurate BUT I have seen GIA certs that I think were both inflated and too harsh. Remember these are people using judgment to grade. I have a 5 carat EC and I love it. This seems to have decent specs-not ideal but pretty good. The price is great. Can you change your mind and get your money back if you dont like it?
 
Do you have a photo.

GIA is mostly more accurate...
 
Acinom|1390159112|3596251 said:
Do you have a photo.

GIA is mostly more accurate...

not a good pic at all and blurry but here it is....



I need to see in person for sure.

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I love the length-width ratio...
 
It looks gorgeous! See if the color bothers you in person.
 
I am not an expert. But when I was looking for my ER diamond, I was shown a huge EC but it was not cut in proper proportions so it looked really dull.
 
5ct no gia report? no way is that a smart move.
imho depth is deep for crown height and table size, if the crown height was 20%+ then it would be a different story.
That is costing you spread and putting a lot of weight in the pavilion where it does little good.
That said the angles may match up and it look fine.
 
Karl_K|1390181226|3596579 said:
5ct no gia report? no way is that a smart move.
imho depth is deep for crown height and table size, if the crown height was 20%+ then it would be a different story.
That is costing you spread and putting a lot of weight in the pavilion where it does little good.
That said the angles may match up and it look fine.

thank you but there is both Gia and Egl certs. all info in my first post above.
 
London|1390182665|3596602 said:
Karl_K|1390181226|3596579 said:
5ct no gia report? no way is that a smart move.
imho depth is deep for crown height and table size, if the crown height was 20%+ then it would be a different story.
That is costing you spread and putting a lot of weight in the pavilion where it does little good.
That said the angles may match up and it look fine.

thank you but there is both Gia and Egl certs. all info in my first post above.
Sorry missed that part.
Looking back up "girdle very thin-" may be a durability issue for the area that is v-thin or may not be.
 
Mayk|1390165079|3596324 said:
I love the length-width ratio...

+1
It looks pretty good from that pic -- can you purchase it and return if you don't like it?
 
bgray|1390157860|3596240 said:
sounds like an amazing deal. I would assume GIA is more accurate BUT I have seen GIA certs that I think were both inflated and too harsh. Remember these are people using judgment to grade. I have a 5 carat EC and I love it. This seems to have decent specs-not ideal but pretty good. The price is great. Can you change your mind and get your money back if you dont like it?

msop04|1390232380|3596926 said:
Mayk|1390165079|3596324 said:
I love the length-width ratio...

+1
It looks pretty good from that pic -- can you purchase it and return if you don't like it?

I probably can but really would rather not go down that path. I'd like to be decisive especially since i can see it in person.
 
It looks spectacular but you need to see it in person and determine whether your eyes like it.
Yay... A 5 ct Emerald cut diamond!
 
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