3 options - which to buy?

[Aussie Steve]

Hi all

I''m very new to this, but been reading the boards for advice - thanks to all who have helped without knowing it!

Urgent advice now needed on which of the following three diamonds to buy.

2 are from Jogia, based in Perth, Australia (I am in Sydney), 1 is from Cerone based in Sydney

Cerone diamond:
1.02 / E / SI2
EGL cert: http://213.151.33.244/dmcert/?db=1&imgp=2c342bcf1e9552ca3531795b7bf2a330&img=865500
HCA of 0.8
$5,205.52 (Australian dollar)
Jogia 1 - http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/diamonds/diamonditem.php?code=SS1206
0.94 / D / SI2
GIA cert: 2111285500 http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/diamonds/analysis.php?code=SS1206-gia.jpg
HCA of 1.8
$5,264.51 (Australian dollar)
Jogia 2 - http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/diamonds/diamonditem.php?code=SS1213
0.91 / E / SI2
GIA Cert: 2016855888 http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/diamonds/analysis.php?code=SS1213-gia.jpg
HCA of 1.8
$4,681.90 (Australian dollar)

A few other considerations:

Jogia will ship diamonds to an independent appriaser for me to view for $150, which is credited toward the ring if I buy.

I think I prefer Cerone''s actual rings - and I can see them in person, not just on the net.

Jogia tells me both diamonds are eye-clean, Cerone are checking if their one is

Advice?

Thanks

 

[CushionNovice]

Hi there!
I'm also in Australia and after looking in Australia (Melbourne) and then joining PS.. I ended up buying from GOG in the States and I would do so again if I had to do it all over again.

Whilst I cannot comment on the stones you have listed (I can't see the size of each of them and I'm not up to speed with rounds - I'm only just getting there with cushions!), have you thought about looking for something similar from a vendor OS?

Perhaps you could list your budget and specs (I assume you want round? H&A?) and other PS'ers could give you suggestions to weigh up against the aussie ones you have found. Do you know what type of setting you are looking at for the diamond?

On a personal note, I don't know if it's just with cushions, but I NEVER saw ANYTHING in Australia that compared to the cut (and therefore the brillance) of the stone i ended up with.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6697/
This is one of their signature 'rounds'.. including a video that may be interesting for you to watch

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7081/
or a standard round...

Again - I'm not the expert by any stretch of the imagination on rounds! But these kinds of tutorials helped me alot.

 

[stone-cold11]

EGL is known to be soft in color and clarity grading so is discounted in trade.

The idealscope image of the jogiadiamonds looks good to me.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 4/27/2010 9:35:48 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
EGL is known to be soft in color and clarity grading so is discounted in trade.

The idealscope image of the jogiadiamonds looks good to me.

Ditto. I would take GIA over EGL in this case, since the price difference does not warrant the uncertainty of the EGL specs.

 

[Aussie Steve]

Thanks very much for your help.

CushionNovice - I''ve looked into GOG and WF, but currently the price differences do not seem to warrent using an overseas vendor (what with gst and everything) - I could be wrong.

I''m after a Round, 0.9 - 1.1 Ct D-H, any clarity as long as it''s eye-clean. Budget - up to $5,500 Australian for the stone, and then $1,500 for the setting.

Setting needs to have 6 princess cut side diamonds each side.

Stonecold and dreamer_d - does the price of the jogia stone seem ok? Is it worth buying the more expensive of the 2 Jogia''s?

 

[stone-cold11]

Check with Jogia, but I think you should be able to request both of them to be shipped to the appraiser and view for the same price, since you will most likely be shipping them back together again for setting.

If so, you can view them side by side and see which you prefer and if the extra cost if worth it for you.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 4/27/2010 9:46:51 PM
Author: Aussie Steve
Thanks very much for your help.


CushionNovice - I''ve looked into GOG and WF, but currently the price differences do not seem to warrent using an overseas vendor (what with gst and everything) - I could be wrong.


I''m after a Round, 0.9 - 1.1 Ct D-H, any clarity as long as it''s eye-clean. Budget - up to $5,500 Australian for the stone, and then $1,500 for the setting.


Setting needs to have 6 princess cut side diamonds each side.


Stonecold and dreamer_d - does the price of the jogia stone seem ok? Is it worth buying the more expensive of the 2 Jogia''s?

Steve,
a decent majority of people on this board will tell you D colour is not worth the premium - you will not be able to tell the difference between an D, E and likely F (assuming same cut).

Actually, does Jogia have anything suitable in the F/G colour range, then you could go up to VS in clarity (or at least SI1). Of course, the preference is yours - however, for an engagement ring *most* prefer the "mind clean" aspect of VS (or above) clarity..
remember that even though it may be eye clean, your girl will literally have her nose up to that stone alot of the time

Just a few ''food for thoughts''..I would stick with Jogia over Cerrone btw, although I know what you mean about their nice settings.

 

[Aussie Steve]

Thanks everyone for weighing in, Mr Jogia has agreed to send both stones over to Sydney so I can compare them side by side. I guess I''ll decide then if it''s worth the extra or not for the slightly larger D.

Unfortunatley he does not have anything suitable that is SI1 or above - but as long as it''s eye clean I''m happy anyway. I do know what you mean about ''mind clean'' - but to be honest my girlfriend

I''m moving away from Cerone stones, Jogia seems to have better cut and better value stones.

However, what do you think about buying the stone from Jogia, and getting Cerone to do the setting?

They have quoted me for the setting alone, and it''s not too different from Jogia.

Is this common? or is it best to keep it all in with the one vendor?

Thanks again all, so helpful to have people to bounce ideas off, no one else I can talk to about this!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 4/28/2010 12:33:48 AM
Author: Aussie Steve
Thanks everyone for weighing in, Mr Jogia has agreed to send both stones over to Sydney so I can compare them side by side. I guess I''ll decide then if it''s worth the extra or not for the slightly larger D.


Unfortunatley he does not have anything suitable that is SI1 or above - but as long as it''s eye clean I''m happy anyway. I do know what you mean about ''mind clean'' - but to be honest my girlfriend


I''m moving away from Cerone stones, Jogia seems to have better cut and better value stones.


However, what do you think about buying the stone from Jogia, and getting Cerone to do the setting?


They have quoted me for the setting alone, and it''s not too different from Jogia.


Is this common? or is it best to keep it all in with the one vendor?


Thanks again all, so helpful to have people to bounce ideas off, no one else I can talk to about this!

Hi steve,
sounds like a plan.

With regards to the setting - it is not common in Au but definitely do-able.
If the prices are close, I would choose Cerrone over Jogia I think.
The only issue then is insurance / protection of your stone - and it''s kind of a stickler.

I am in Perth, and have contacted every insurance co. I can think of in Au about insuring a loose diamond for the setting process - to date, no luck

There are covers for it in US, but for some reason here - nup.
This was about a year or so ago, so you should check for yourself though.

The thing is, when a vendor is setting a diamond they own/sold they are responsible (and covered) for any potential damage. This is rare with diamonds, but not impossible - and with an SI2, it is potentially more risky than if it were higher clarity.

When a vendor who does not own the diamond (ie. Cerrone) and is enlisted to set it, they cannot get coverage apparently for damage to an outside stone, hence you are only covered for theft of loss whilst its in their hands. I have been told this by a number of jewellers and appraisers, that the cover simply doesn''t exist for them to buy here.
Again, you should ask these questions to Cerrone directly though - I know what the answer will likely be "We have never damaged any diamond in xxx years" - so then whether you are comfortable with the risk or not is really up to you..

Cerrone are known for pretty high quality and I imagine they have very good setters, so I would be more comfortable than if you were going to a mum and pop or random store..

I guess you just need to ask these questions - of Cerrone, of your current insurer, and potentially shop around for an insurer who underwrites this particular risk, than weigh up the pro''s and con''s.

I did learn that Chubb may do it - but only for articles that are something crazy like 20k

I hope this info is helpful.

 

[Aussie Steve]

Very helpful, thank you!

Jogia are sending the stones today, I''ll be viiewing them tomorrow - so need to make my mind up about who does the setting asap

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 4/28/2010 1:15:36 AM
Author: Aussie Steve
Very helpful, thank you!


Jogia are sending the stones today, I'll be viiewing them tomorrow - so need to make my mind up about who does the setting asap

You're welcome.
However, unless you have a real strict proposal deadline you are working to, I would recommend not rushing the setting process.

Best to be even-minded and make sure you get just what you want, for the right price/reasons - especially when going custom.

Good luck with it all!