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I've been hunting for a beautiful old european stone in the neighboorhood of three carats without much success. I'd be grateful if someone could please point me in the direction of a collector or shop with very beautiful -- but reasonably-priced -- stones. With appreciation for any help.
 
I know Jewels by Erica Grace has some older cut stones as well as Good old Gold...
 
04diamond<3|1352845441|3305725 said:
I know Jewels by Erica Grace has some older cut stones as well as Good old Gold...
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Ditto. And Good Old Gold can also access stones from Old World Diamonds and check out the cut and light performance for you.
 
Thanks. The prices seem to vary so widely that it's hard to get a handle on the market. I'm looking for something spectacular but don't want to pay a premium.
 
I have been looking for the same (plus high color, high clarity, tiny table and super well cut) ... no luck for me in a year but ended up buying a few smaller stones in the mean time. No regrets because I love them ... but still craving that bigger and whiter stone.
 
diamondseeker2006|1352846165|3305738 said:
04diamond<3|1352845441|3305725 said:
I know Jewels by Erica Grace has some older cut stones as well as Good old Gold...
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Ditto. And Good Old Gold can also access stones from Old World Diamonds and check out the cut and light performance for you.
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DS - just out of curiosity, is there a reason you recommend doing it this way? I thought the most straight-forward way of doing it is to purchase directly from Adam at OWD and then have the stone sent to a reputable third party appraiser for a completely independent professional opinion. That was the way I went about it, and thought it covered all my bases.
 
justginger|1352887499|3306133 said:
diamondseeker2006|1352846165|3305738 said:
04diamond<3|1352845441|3305725 said:
I know Jewels by Erica Grace has some older cut stones as well as Good old Gold...
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Ditto. And Good Old Gold can also access stones from Old World Diamonds and check out the cut and light performance for you.
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DS - just out of curiosity, is there a reason you recommend doing it this way? I thought the most straight-forward way of doing it is to purchase directly from Adam at OWD and then have the stone sent to a reputable third party appraiser for a completely independent professional opinion. That was the way I went about it, and thought it covered all my bases.
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Hi, Ginger! Yes, I prefer doing it this way because first of all both are in NY which makes is an easy process without a lot of shipping involved. But my main reason is that most of the old cut vendors usually do not offer more than the lab report, and Jonathan can run all the tests that will tell me if the stone is an excellent example of it's type with the best light performance. My last diamond was a virtual one that he called in an verified that it was a good stone for me and made a video of it comparing it to three other diamonds. I really don't know of anyone else who does all that. It gives me great peace of mind knowing that if I am spending a large amount of money, that I am getting the best possible stone. And I can see it visually as well as on paper before I commit to buy! I am looking now for an AVR but know I could go the old cut route through GOG if that doesn't work out. All I can tell you is that Jonathan tells me the truth and I trust him. So for sourcing diamonds in NY, this is the best and most efficient way as far as I am concerned!
 
 
diamondseeker2006|1352919493|3306487 said:
justginger|1352887499|3306133 said:
diamondseeker2006|1352846165|3305738 said:
04diamond<3|1352845441|3305725 said:
I know Jewels by Erica Grace has some older cut stones as well as Good old Gold...
Click to expand...

Ditto. And Good Old Gold can also access stones from Old World Diamonds and check out the cut and light performance for you.
Click to expand...

DS - just out of curiosity, is there a reason you recommend doing it this way? I thought the most straight-forward way of doing it is to purchase directly from Adam at OWD and then have the stone sent to a reputable third party appraiser for a completely independent professional opinion. That was the way I went about it, and thought it covered all my bases.
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Hi, Ginger! Yes, I prefer doing it this way because first of all both are in NY which makes is an easy process without a lot of shipping involved. But my main reason is that most of the old cut vendors usually do not offer more than the lab report, and Jonathan can run all the tests that will tell me if the stone is an excellent example of it's type with the best light performance. My last diamond was a virtual one that he called in an verified that it was a good stone for me and made a video of it comparing it to three other diamonds. I really don't know of anyone else who does all that. It gives me great peace of mind knowing that if I am spending a large amount of money, that I am getting the best possible stone. And I can see it visually as well as on paper before I commit to buy! I am looking now for an AVR but know I could go the old cut route through GOG if that doesn't work out. All I can tell you is that Jonathan tells me the truth and I trust him. So for sourcing diamonds in NY, this is the best and most efficient way as far as I am concerned!
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There are indeed others who do this as well DS
Also GOG is not in New York City.
 
David, in fact, they (GOG) go down to the Diamond District weekly to pick up stones and deliver stones to be set, picked up, etc. (And I happen to know that because of requests and purchases that I have personally made, in case you were wondering.) It may be true that other vendors provide the same things that GOG does as there are thousands out there, but I have not seen others on PriceScope that do.
 
We do.
So now you know another PS vendor that offers videos and light performance evaluation.
As far as getting stones from OWD- many other PS vendors can do that as well.
Vendors located on 47th street ( we are) are within walking distince of the other NYC diamond dealers
 
If another vendor is getting the diamond from OWD, wouldn't that add a middle-man cost? :confused:
 
Rockdiamond|1352924112|3306570 said:
We do.
So now you know another PS vendor that offers videos and light performance evaluation.
As far as getting stones from OWD- many other PS vendors can do that as well.
Vendors located on 47th street ( we are) are within walking distince of the other NYC diamond dealers
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Oh, that's great to know! I have never seen your idealscope and ASET images, David! Maybe I need to recheck your website. Do you do helium scans, colorimeter, and all that, too? I am going to look at your site right now!

(Clicked on about 10 rounds and only saw idealscope and ASET on one Crafted by Infinity stone, so hopefully you'll post that on all the others. It would really be helpful!)
 
IS, ASET, and Video.
We don't use helium scans, or colorimter.
If we need a sarin, we can get that done, and we use our eyes as opposed to colorimeter.
 
ForteKitty|1352925147|3306593 said:
If another vendor is getting the diamond from OWD, wouldn't that add a middle-man cost? :confused:
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Yeah...I'd just go to the guy directly. I mean, it's not like he has a rep for terrible service (just terrible pics, haha). Don't know what his upgrade policy is now, but but awhile back I heard it was pretty stinking awesome. A lot of people rave about Adam around here.
 
diamondseeker2006|1352925334|3306596 said:
Rockdiamond|1352924112|3306570 said:
We do.
So now you know another PS vendor that offers videos and light performance evaluation.
As far as getting stones from OWD- many other PS vendors can do that as well.
Vendors located on 47th street ( we are) are within walking distince of the other NYC diamond dealers
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Oh, that's great to know! I have never seen your idealscope and ASET images, David! Maybe I need to recheck your website. Do you do helium scans, colorimeter, and all that, too? I am going to look at your site right now!

(Clicked on about 10 rounds and only saw idealscope and ASET on one Crafted by Infinity stone, so hopefully you'll post that on all the others. It would really be helpful!)
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LOL! DS you are too funny.

this one is a great performing OEC and is an high L color...but you don't state your budget:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9503/
 
Thanks DS! Actually we don't publish ASET for anything but the Crafted by Infinity stones- we provide them for other stones by request- but it's rare that folks ask.
 
ForteKitty|1352925147|3306593 said:
If another vendor is getting the diamond from OWD, wouldn't that add a middle-man cost? :confused:
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No, it doesn't. I have recently been through this whole discussion with Jonathan since I wanted an AVR but he currently doesn't have one in a higher color in the size I wanted. He said he could source old cuts if I wanted to go that route and OWD is just one of the sources he uses. My understanding is that trade gets stones cheaper than we pay as retail customers. My last diamond was one I found on another site that provided limited info, and he was able to access the stone and do all the videos in different lighting, check color, etc. for me. I paid a little more than the drop shipper price, but it saved me from having to send a diamond to an independent appraiser and pay shipping, etc. In the case of OWD, he said his prices would equal or beat the prices on OWD depending on whether it was a stone having trade-in and buyback policies. I am still waiting for an AVR, though, so I haven't pursued this route.
 
Rockdiamond|1352926002|3306613 said:
Thanks DS! Actually we don't publish ASET for anything but the Crafted by Infinity stones- we provide them for other stones by request- but it's rare that folks ask.
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That is good to know. I know 99.9% of diamond shoppers haven't heard of those technologies, but we are fortunate to have learned a lot here! Sometimes ignorance is bliss, but in the case of buying $20k+ diamonds, I like to have all the info I can get!

I usually think of you when people are looking for colored diamonds. But it is nice to know you carry Infinity.
 
How curious DS re the thought of purchasing from OWD through GOG. Wouldn't OWD just be able to make more by selling to the consumer themselves? I might have to ask them how that works when I am in NYC in a few weeks.

Having purchased about 15 OEC's in the last year including a 3c+ from OWD... personally I prefer to buy old stones with my eye. Funny because in the past I was strictly a numbers gal, but old stones can't be judged by numbers alone like the basic H&A superideals can. I do like knowing basics like table, depth, just to give me some idea of what I might expect to see. I like seeing a photo to show faceting pattern to give me some idea of how it will look as well. Then seeing how that pattern manifests in the stone itself with my eye in person. Videos can be fun too, but nothing beats seeing the stone in person. When I see some of these videos comparing 2 or 3 stones, you can't really tell much of anything IMO--esp under some of the lighting that is used, it's all firecracker bling pow.

Old European... My recommendation... I'd talk to JBEG, OWD *and* GOG and see what they can find for you. Why limit yourself. OWD has a huge inventory of old stones--even ones not on their website and they are smack dab in NYC with resources to others who may not deal with the public. I was shocked that Adam could find EXACTLY what I wanted and at a price point that worked for me. JBEG buys all the time and if they know that you are looking for something, they can keep an eye out as well.

Good luck!! It is harder to find those old stones in the 3ct+ range but more than a handful on PS have been lucky this year so I'm sure you will be too.
 
Yes, it's really no different from a vendor calling in stones from any diamond supplier.

I do definitely agree, Mara, about the necessity of seeing a stone with your eyes, and that includes all stones. But especially when it comes to stones not graded by GIA, I very much like having a second opinion on color from a totally neutral source, the colorimeter. Color has a tremendous affect on pricing, and it just helps to have confirmation of color since color is often/usually optimistically graded by sellers of non-certified stones as well as EGL. And knowing if a stone has a lot of leakage might save me the money of having it shipped to me and then back. Those are just a couple of examples why I'd have Jonathan look at old cut diamonds for me. I have a ring that needs an asscher after I get my e-ring resolved, and I'll do it the same way.
 
ruby59|1352998447|3307256 said:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-06ct-J-VS1-Old-European-Cut-GIA-Remarkable-Stone-R4961-Diamonds-by-Lauren-/230882115174?pt=Loose_Diamonds&hash=item35c1a57e66

Do not know your price point, but this is absolutely goregous. And he has a great reputation on ebay.
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That's Rockdiamond's company. :bigsmile: He's a PS vendor, and he posted in this thread!
 
Rock diamond is Diamonds by Lauren? I had no idea. Where is that posted?


Edited to add: :oops: Can I plead stupidity? I saw the avatar and then the name on ebay. I guess I never read the credentials at the bottom of the dealers' posts. I am so sorry.

I guess I was blinded by the bling because that stone is drool-worthy.
 
That was a funny discovery! The stone appears to be beautiful! And I will give David credit for having GIA grading on that diamond. That is very helpful.
 
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