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EMiii

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Hi! I’ve been looking for a while now for a 2ct+ diamond around $16k. I’ve previously had some great suggestions from PS members but most times I click to look at these the diamond ends up ‘sold’ lol. So wondering if I could get your help once again please to suggest some
good diamonds...GIA with an ‘ideal’ round brilliant cut. I was initially looking around the 2ct plus range...the bigger the better :p but kind of want to keep in the I and VS1 range to ensure the diamond is eye clean.
Thanks for your help :)
 
Thanks for the recommendation. I had ordered an ASET/Idealscope of the above diamond you've recommended. However a few PS members said that the hearts image are not ideal, and also potential leakage under the table based on a poorly taken ASET. I don't necessarily need perfect H&A but I guess I was discouraged based on the comments to go ahead with this diamond.

@rockysalamander had recommended a few stones but these were 1.7ct ish and I think I'd like the stone above 2ct.

@Niel had also recommended a 2ct stone which I really liked but the stone is now sold :(
 
Thanks Snowdrop for the recommendations! ACA looks beautiful. You're right - I guess I'll have to widen my specifications. I definitely want a GIA certified diamond though.
 
Slightly above budget, but I believe JA may discount for PS. Best to inquire....
None of these have been calculated on HCA; I have not done that, yet. You may want to check each of them to see if any should be eliminated, and which you'd like to investigate, further. All are very good stones, as far as your specs; I bumped the clarity up due to major failures in VS range. Larger stones show inclusions much easier. Even the slightest imperfections against & under the table are easily visible, and rob the stone of its internal beauty.
I hope you can put some of these on hold, to compare them more closely.

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-1115726

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2746408

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3290559

Drop to J, and you get heavier diamonds within budget:

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2666600

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3504164

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3147135

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3158798

Apologies, if any of these have been posted, before; I tried not to repeat.
 
I think the reason I posted 1.7 is your budget did not really work for I and VS1. Are you open to lower clarity provided it is eye-clean? Even VS2 may open more options.
 
I just went with a Whiteflash ACA but this 2.26 ct James Allen VVS1 / I was my second choice (recommended by @rockysalamander in another thread) . Idealscope looked excellent but not "perfect", though I had a lot of people advise that it's difficult to tell in real lighting vs. something that's super-ideal.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3530615

It shows up as not available but that may be because it's still on hold by me, it should expire shortly. I recommend chatting their support team.
 
Thanks for the replies! I’m working my way through each of the links. Yes I’m happy to drop in clarity as long as it’s eye clean. I know what I’m looking for is a hard ask but I did find a diamond within my specs previously. Oh and also I guess I could stretch budget: $16-17k :rolleyes:
 
EMiii said:
Thanks for the replies! I’m working my way through each of the links. Yes I’m happy to drop in clarity as long as it’s eye clean. I know what I’m looking for is a hard ask but I did find a diamond within my specs previously. Oh and also I guess I could stretch budget: $16-17k :rolleyes:
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Cool. I really like the diamond I suggested to @ironcondor with the same caveats about the cutting. One of the big suppliers has taken to cutting the pavillion angles with a wide range, so they get the GIA 'average' which is good, but gain weight...we've been calling this a stairstep or piano key look. I also like the WF option posted by Snowdrop. All the others have some imbalance in the angles to me -- several are deeper than I prefer and several have lower pavilion angle relative to the CA than I prefer.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3297805 {there is a single dark inclusion under the table that is quite small. Easily eyeclean, but maybe not mind clean given your preference for high clarity. Stong flour}

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3448663 {has great light movement and tiny tiny spec in center...less that dust size. Very pretty}

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD09478137 {H VS2, hold CTRL. Very small table which is going to create a fiery diamond. Not sure this inclusion will read to you as eyeclean. Need to confirm that Clouds don't impact performance. BN has not been willing to send IS or ASET for rounds, so you'll have to decide if you are willing to commit without those tools; color has a brown undertone which I prefer over yellow}

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.937-i-si2-round-diamond-bfg-785046 {beautifully symmetrical H&A Super-ideal. 1.937 I SI2, need to confirm eyeclean, but looks great in video. This has not yet been AGS certified, but they have a guarantee. But, not sure how to guarantee eye-clean. Maybe someone more familiar with the BGD pre-order can comment:confused:}

https://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/2.02-carat-i-vs2-excellent-round-cut-diamond-gid-1170321.html {request video and image}
 
ironcondor said:
I just went with a Whiteflash ACA but this 2.26 ct James Allen VVS1 / I was my second choice (recommended by @rockysalamander in another thread) . Idealscope looked excellent but not "perfect", though I had a lot of people advise that it's difficult to tell in real lighting vs. something that's super-ideal.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3530615

It shows up as not available but that may be because it's still on hold by me, it should expire shortly. I recommend chatting their support team.
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Lol would you guys believe it - it's already been sold! :(
 
Still working my way through the links. In the meantime what do you all think of this one:
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Depth
62.1 %
Table
56 %
Crown Angle
35.0°
Crown Height
15.5%
Pavilion Angle
40.6°
Pavilion Depth
42.5%
Star Length
50%
Lower Half
80%
Girdle
Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
 
@rockysalamander May I ask why you prefer a brown tinge over a for example yellow tinge? Would you prefer a brown tinge over no tinge?

i've found a H colour with light brown tinge. Is this going to look brown in real life?
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Why do you think that the stone has a light brown tinge? I was under the impression it was only lower colours that exhibited other tones, i.e. K and below?? Maybe someone can correct me on this!
 
All diamonds have a body color of yellow, brown or grey. Grey is rather unusual and I've only detected this in lower colored diamonds. Yellow and brown can be detected in higher colors, it just really depends on your color acuity. D,E,F (sometimes G) simply have so little body tint that most can't see it. Humans are actually pretty bad a color discrimination as a species. For me personally, I prefer the light return color in a brown tint over yellow -- all else being equal. To me, it's like watching a sunset in Arizona vs. Maine (or South Africa vs. Australia). Both lovely, but the quality of light is different.

With an H, no, the diamond will not look brown -- nor yellow if yellow body. The body tint affects the tone of the light return if you are someone who sees such things. I prefer brown over yellow, although I would not compromise cut and clarity to get this.

So, no worries, I was just noting it for the color observant. Also, you'll only detect color in an H from the side. Anything you see face-up (like the areas in blue) is a reflection of ambient light and not a reflection of the body color. Remember, diamonds are graded face down to color.

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EMiii said:
@rockysalamander May I ask why you prefer a brown tinge over a for example yellow tinge? Would you prefer a brown tinge over no tinge?

i've found a H colour with light brown tinge. Is this going to look brown in real life?
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@EMiii, have you gone into a jewelry store and examined diamonds without a magnifier? I recommend you stop by some stores (even a Tiffany will do) and take a serious look at diamonds that aren't magnified 10x or more.

I easily pulled the trigger on a J color after I realized my eyes could not substantially tell the difference viewing diamonds from the side between J, H, I and even some higher color grades.

Same for clarity -- I'm sure some of the diamonds I looked at in real life had occlusions that would be very visible under 10-40x magnification. Outside of one occluded SI2 diamond, I couldn't spot any with the naked eye.

A lot of the options you're looking at here will be very eye clean, and properly chosen for their angles they'll all be brilliant. But you may be causing yourself extra stress about whether it's "mind clean" or not with over analysis.

Walking out of a Tiffany, I realized it's all about confidence in the rock. You'll see what you believe. Eyes can't spot small technical flaws, and that's why their brand can sell non super-ideals for $40k starting price at the 2-ct size!

I hope this helps; I was personally stressing out a ton until I reconfirmed for myself that I was really nitpicking among some already excellent performers.
 
rockysalamander said:
All diamonds have a body color of yellow, brown or grey. Grey is rather unusual and I've only detected this in lower colored diamonds. Yellow and brown can be detected in higher colors, it just really depends on your color acuity. D,E,F (sometimes G) simply have so little body tint that most can't see it. Humans are actually pretty bad a color discrimination as a species. For me personally, I prefer the light return color in a brown tint over yellow -- all else being equal. To me, it's like watching a sunset in Arizona vs. Maine (or South Africa vs. Australia). Both lovely, but the quality of light is different.

With an H, no, the diamond will not look brown -- nor yellow if yellow body. The body tint affects the tone of the light return if you are someone who sees such things. I prefer brown over yellow, although I would not compromise cut and clarity to get this.

So, no worries, I was just noting it for the color observant. Also, you'll only detect color in an H from the side. Anything you see face-up (like the areas in blue) is a reflection of ambient light and not a reflection of the body color. Remember, diamonds are graded face down to color.

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Thank you, very useful!
 
Hi, I'm back at it again. Thanks all so much for your advice. After visiting a jeweller I've realised I'm not that colour sensitive. So I'm now considering to J it. I've come across one below, could someone please provide their opinion on this one. There's a cloud right in the centre of the table of this VS1. Also the picture and video shows up as quite yellow, so not sure if this will display face up or not:

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R224-273940594
 
EMiii said:
There's a cloud right in the centre of the table of this VS1. Also the picture and video shows up as quite yellow
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I see the cloud on the report, but not in the pictures (there does seem to be a dot cca 11 o'clock in the 360 view - perhaps the largest 'pinpoint' of the 'cloud' ? - or dust ! ... who can tell... it is a DOT, even with all the magnification).

The macro shots REALLY GET COLOUR. I am enjoying the effect rather too much ,-) - perhaps not unlike @rockysalamander talks of invisible sunsets from foreign countries ... - but, this is quite some exageration. The colour grades are closely standardized, so what you have seen in person is relevant above & beyond the images.

These being said ... The diamond is not H&A, methinks (extra contrast around arrow shafts). I would not quibble about this, if it was not part of the H&A pedigree, as I understand it ... I could still be proven wrong by IS ... The JA stones seem to have less (or, the lighting is better !) - the one with IS images seems to hold its H&A credentials fine ...

2c
 
Just to be sure, do you know if your GF is color sensitive? I would usually suggest you stay at an H (maybe I) unless you know she is not sensitive. In super-ideal, you could go an I or J will less worry.

I prefer the JA TrueHearts of the three.
https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...color-vs2-clarity-True-hearts-cut-sku-2449496

I really like this one. Chubby arrows. Need an IS to confirm low crown is not an issue.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3527132 {strong flour a plus for a I! As long as not making it cloudy, which is rare. JA gemologist can review)

If you are really solid with a J, than this would be worth an IS.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...j-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3594046

JA is having a 15% off setting sale until 11/6!
 
RE. I / VS

HCA gives its highest marks - which doesn't happen often
 
Go to high performwnce diamonds who sells crafted by infinity. You can get a K si1 or SI2 and it will be eye clean with clear inclusions,

http://highperformancediamonds.com/
 
Just checking in...any progress to report?
 
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