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JPWRana

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Diamond 1: http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&pid=LD00185996&filter_id=0

Diamond 2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&pid=LD00377656&filter_id=0

Each has their pluses and minuses, but I dont know which is MORE important?

Are the tables and the depths more important than the length/width ratio or a very good cut is better than a good cut or a VS2 to a VVS2?

They both have what I want... 1.5ct, VS2 minimum, and H color minimum for a (is it) good price.

Which of the 2 is better?

All help will be greatly appreciated. The last time I didn''t get an opinion about a diamond, but i feel because that''s because I didn''t start it on a new thread. Hopefully it''s different now.
 
seeing the diamonds in person would be most important. if that''s not possible, then you should get more information. with fancy shapes, an idealscope image is very helpful. getting a diamond with higher polish/symmetry might mean the cutter took more time trying to make a nice diamond. with princess cuts, there is no reason to settle for only ''good'' p/s when there are so many nice stones that have that attention to detail. ultimately, neither the polish/symmetry nor the clarity will have a great impact on the performance of the diamond. those are little details in the bigger picture. get more information, or take your stab in the dark.
 
we''ll, i called blue nile and they said that they dont have or do pictures of the diamonds.

Second, how much more information can you get other than carat weight, dimensions, color clarity, symmetry, polish, table %, depth %, length/width ratio, cut, certification, girdle, and price?
 
An idealscope image so you can check out it''s light performance! Very key especially with princesses.

Honestly though, if a vendor will not provide at least images of the stone so you have something to go by (other than numbers), then I would pass.

Check out Rainman''s post here in RT and you''ll see what''s usually provided by most internet vendors.

GOOD LUCK!
 
Date: 9/6/2006 2:26:42 AM
Author: ChargerGrrl
An idealscope image so you can check out it''s light performance! Very key especially with princesses.


Honestly though, if a vendor will not provide at least images of the stone so you have something to go by (other than numbers), then I would pass.


Check out Rainman''s post here in RT and you''ll see what''s usually provided by most internet vendors.


GOOD LUCK!

Who is Rainman, which posts of his, and what''s RT?

So Blue Nile is NOT one of the prefered vendors? I am still stuck on which to choose between the 2 diamonds, because both have EXCELLENT features (according to what I''m looking for).
 
http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&pid=LD00185996&filter_id=0

that one, the first one, I think, the one that's $7,632. If you really want that color and really want to spend that much, pick the one that is a VERY GOOD cut. The other one you listed is just a Good. In my searching, I learned that Cut was vital in light return, and have since seen that for myself with other stones. In purchasing my emerald cut, we personally tried to avoid girdles that had any "very or extreme" in the thick/thin description of the girdle, as someone here had once indicated.
We refused to go below a Very Good cut. I am not informed about princess cut tables and depth, but in my experience, I prefer more diamond on top than under the setting, so if I were choosing, I'd choose the one that's $7,632 over the other one.

You can call Blue Nile after it's on the bench and ask for them to describe it for you, though mine was SI1, and I wanted to know if it was eye-clean. Their description was right on.

And, if you hate it, you can always send it back to 'em. Our experience was perfection, but your mileage may vary. My ring was a bit less than a carat, and cost about 1/3 of these, and I'm delirious with it.

Good luck, have fun!
N-jo


Plus, look at the dimensions. This VG cut one is 6.40 x 6.21, more bang for your buck, even though the other one has two more points, it's only 6.02 x 6.01. Sometimes, size matters! The VG does have a cystal, but you can ask them to tell you how visible it is.
 
Date: 9/6/2006 2:52:34 PM
Author: N-jo
http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&pid=LD00185996&filter_id=0


that one, the first one, I think, the one that''s $7,632. If you really want that color and really want to spend that much, pick the one that is a VERY GOOD cut. The other one you listed is just a Good. In my searching, I learned that Cut was vital in light return, and have since seen that for myself with other stones. In purchasing my emerald cut, we personally tried to avoid girdles that had any ''very or extreme'' in the thick/thin description of the girdle, as someone here had once indicated.

We refused to go below a Very Good cut. I am not informed about princess cut tables and depth, but in my experience, I prefer more diamond on top than under the setting, so if I were choosing, I''d choose the one that''s $7,632 over the other one.


You can call Blue Nile after it''s on the bench and ask for them to describe it for you, though mine was SI1, and I wanted to know if it was eye-clean. Their description was right on.


And, if you hate it, you can always send it back to ''em. Our experience was perfection, but your mileage may vary. My ring was a bit less than a carat, and cost about 1/3 of these, and I''m delirious with it.


Good luck, have fun!

N-jo



Plus, look at the dimensions. This VG cut one is 6.40 x 6.21, more bang for your buck, even though the other one has two more points, it''s only 6.02 x 6.01. Sometimes, size matters! The VG does have a cystal, but you can ask them to tell you how visible it is.


Hmmm, yes I did notice these things N-jo, and that''s why my concerns are these:

Diamond one says its VERY GOOD cut, but on the GIA certificate, only the polish is VERY GOOD... Symmetry is Good. Also there is a crystal... hopefully it is at VS2 level, seeing as how the surface area 6.40 x 6.21 is big.

Diamond 2 says that Polish AND Symmetry are VERY GOOD... so why isn''t the cut VERY GOOD? Why is it only just good? EXCELLENT ratio of 1.00, but surface area is smaller (6.02 x 6.01) than the 6.4 x 6.21.

How can I call and ask how they know Diamond 1 is a VERY GOOD cut and Diamond 2 is NOT a VERY GOOD cut?
 
Because. Finish and symmetry is like a coat of paint. It has a marginal effect on the performance of the stone. Stone 2 has a girdle that is partially thick and is a bit deep. And you know nothing about the crown height or light performance.
 
Date: 9/6/2006 3:24:00 PM
Author: JulieN
Because. Finish and symmetry is like a coat of paint. It has a marginal effect on the performance of the stone. Stone 2 has a girdle that is partially thick and is a bit deep. And you know nothing about the crown height or light performance.

So for a NON AGS-certified diamond, in a princess cut, I look for what? Not the polish and not the symmetry, so what? Just the Table % and the Depth %?

Since diamond 2 IS DEEP (4.59mm vs 4.45mm on diamond 1), that is worse in a diamond''s flash performance... right?

Thanks guys (and Julie) for all your help.
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Date: 9/6/2006 3:19:50 PM
Author: JPWRana
Date: 9/6/2006 2:52:34 PM


Hmmm, yes I did notice these things N-jo, and that's why my concerns are these:


Diamond one says its VERY GOOD cut, but on the GIA certificate, only the polish is VERY GOOD... Symmetry is Good. Also there is a crystal... hopefully it is at VS2 level, seeing as how the surface area 6.40 x 6.21 is big.


Diamond 2 says that Polish AND Symmetry are VERY GOOD... so why isn't the cut VERY GOOD? Why is it only just good? EXCELLENT ratio of 1.00, but surface area is smaller (6.02 x 6.01) than the 6.4 x 6.21.


How can I call and ask how they know Diamond 1 is a VERY GOOD cut and Diamond 2 is NOT a VERY GOOD cut?


I'd still go for cut. Mine has "only" good symmetry, and I'm danged if I can see anything un-gorgeous or a-symmetrical about it.

You can call and ask how the clarity is, is what I meant, sorry. Obviously, if there is a Very Good cut, and a Good cut, you can draw your own conclusions according to not only the education part of their site, but anywhere online, including here, about the difference in VG and G.

Mine's fabulous, couldn't be happier, here it is again. More gorgeous than my 2 megapixel can capture....

go for VG cut!

(edited to add... however symmetrical and sparkly it may be, it is UPSIDE DOWN in this post!)

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Ok, well, Ideal Scope is a really good way to start.

I''ve also read good things about the Blue Nile Signature princesses, so you might consider one of those.

Other than that, it''s as belle said: a shot in the dark.
 
Date: 9/6/2006 3:35:18 PM
Author: JulieN
Ok, well, Ideal Scope is a really good way to start.


I''ve also read good things about the Blue Nile Signature princesses, so you might consider one of those.


Other than that, it''s as belle said: a shot in the dark.

Actually I am set on between these 2 diamonds. There''s no chance of Blue Nile having OR giving ideal scope pictures... right?

Btw, does Blue Nile offer a pricescope discount?
 
Date: 9/6/2006 3:34:58 PM
Author: N-jo
Date: 9/6/2006 3:19:50 PM

Author: JPWRana

Date: 9/6/2006 2:52:34 PM



Hmmm, yes I did notice these things N-jo, and that''s why my concerns are these:



Diamond one says its VERY GOOD cut, but on the GIA certificate, only the polish is VERY GOOD... Symmetry is Good. Also there is a crystal... hopefully it is at VS2 level, seeing as how the surface area 6.40 x 6.21 is big.



Diamond 2 says that Polish AND Symmetry are VERY GOOD... so why isn''t the cut VERY GOOD? Why is it only just good? EXCELLENT ratio of 1.00, but surface area is smaller (6.02 x 6.01) than the 6.4 x 6.21.



How can I call and ask how they know Diamond 1 is a VERY GOOD cut and Diamond 2 is NOT a VERY GOOD cut?



I''d still go for cut. Mine has ''only'' good symmetry, and I''m danged if I can see anything un-gorgeous or a-symmetrical about it.


You can call and ask how the clarity is, is what I meant, sorry. Obviously, if there is a Very Good cut, and a Good cut, you can draw your own conclusions according to not only the education part of their site, but anywhere online, including here, about the difference in VG and G.


Mine''s fabulous, couldn''t be happier, here it is again. More gorgeous than my 2 megapixel can capture....


go for VG cut!


(edited to add... however symmetrical and sparkly it may be, it is UPSIDE DOWN in this post!)

Wow N-jo! good diamond. I''m jealous!

Where did you get your diamond from? Store or online?

I guess I''ll call and ask about the clarity of the 1st diamond then.
 
Date: 9/6/2006 3:43:27 PM
Author: JPWRana



Wow N-jo! good diamond. I'm jealous!

Where did you get your diamond from? Store or online?

I guess I'll call and ask about the clarity of the 1st diamond then.
My diamond really is so pretty, not huge, it's 6.5mm by 4.something, I forget. From BlueNile online. I nearly fell over when I opened the box, it's stunning, and sparkles in the dark, so well-cut. yep, paid a bit less than 2,000 for this .71 carat, and if I had a halfway decent camera, you'd see just how nice a stone can look even with "good" symmetry, and SI1 clarity. It's amazing, it really is. That's why I promote Cut over higher colors and clarity. Mine's H color. I would not have been afraid to send it back if it had not been pleasing to the eye. Artisan who owns a custom jewelry shop here for 40 years -- which serves a wide area where we are, and is highly respected, appraised it at 2 1/2 times what fiance paid. It is clean, clear, fiery, prism-like, and all that I could have asked for. I was figuring on an upgrade within a couple of years. Nope. I'm good with this for a LONG while, will spend $$ on maybe an eternity band, though!

edited to add.... we are in a hard-water area, so those are water spots you see.... I need to rinse it in vinegar, i guess!
 
Hey, did you buy the diamond with the bank wire option? Im thinking of doing that so that it''ll be cheaper, but don''t know the process.

I guess I''ll go 4 this rock then. I''m just waiting on a different thread if there are any ADDITIONAL discounts from blue nile available. Did your diamond have an ideal scope image?
 
Date: 9/6/2006 4:35:50 PM
Author: JPWRana
Hey, did you buy the diamond with the bank wire option? Im thinking of doing that so that it''ll be cheaper, but don''t know the process.

I guess I''ll go 4 this rock then. I''m just waiting on a different thread if there are any ADDITIONAL discounts from blue nile available. Did your diamond have an ideal scope image?
we didn''t use the bank wire option, given that our diamond was MUCH less, it would have made a minimal difference, and more legwork and waiting...(we bought this on 4th July) I don''t have an ideal scope image, just whatever came with this, the little GIA thing, the pretty box,
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, etc. Because I knew it was coming and in fact, was alone because the fiance was traveling on business, I opened it, took pics to send him for approval, and approved it myself, then had to hide it and forget about it until he "surprised" me with it. He put all the paperwork away as part of that process, so we played a little game of pretend when he put it on my finger.

Even researching, picking it, calling Blue Nile for reassurance, and taking approval pics, it still took my breath away when he gave it to me.

Oh, and as far as your crystal inclusion, won''t that be hopefully lost in the facets of a princess? that''s what I''d ask about, regarding that issue. I called Blue Nile while we waited on my ring (6 days) several times to chat, discuss this, that and the other. They were lovely and helpful. They told me about the feather inclusion in my ring and where it was located. Do YOU see it? Nope! and it''s fine with me that it''s there, it''s even with the band, and I can only see it with a loupe. My fiance has 20/15 vision, and can''t see it at all unless he twists it and stares in bright sunlight. It looks like an itty bitty flea-eyelash.
 
Oh ok. I''ll give em a call and ask about it. I think I will go with the bankwire option because it is like a $100 difference (almost).
 
Ok N-jo (and JulieN)... i just bought it at Blue Nile. Im ULTRA nervous cuz I''ve never done an online purchase so huge before... and everyone I talk to says that that''s the worst idea ever... to buy something so expensive online and not even see it.

I gotta go to the bank soon and have the $$$ wired, but I havent gotten an email confirmation yet as to WHERE to wire the money too. Paranoia too soon?
 
yeah, i wouldn't have done what you did, either, but BN has a good return policy. you don't get to be the biggest online diamond retailer (I think it is, anyway) without having good business practices and having competitive pricing.
 
Date: 9/7/2006 2:31:51 PM
Author: JulieN
yeah, i wouldn''t have done what you did, either, but BN has a good return policy. you don''t get to be the biggest online diamond retailer (I think it is, anyway) without having good business practices and having competitive pricing.

Gee umm... I can always return it... right?
 
Date: 9/6/2006 3:34:58 PM
Author: N-jo

Date: 9/6/2006 3:19:50 PM
Author: JPWRana
Date: 9/6/2006 2:52:34 PM


Hmmm, yes I did notice these things N-jo, and that''s why my concerns are these:


Diamond one says its VERY GOOD cut, but on the GIA certificate, only the polish is VERY GOOD... Symmetry is Good. Also there is a crystal... hopefully it is at VS2 level, seeing as how the surface area 6.40 x 6.21 is big.


Diamond 2 says that Polish AND Symmetry are VERY GOOD... so why isn''t the cut VERY GOOD? Why is it only just good? EXCELLENT ratio of 1.00, but surface area is smaller (6.02 x 6.01) than the 6.4 x 6.21.


How can I call and ask how they know Diamond 1 is a VERY GOOD cut and Diamond 2 is NOT a VERY GOOD cut?


I''d still go for cut. Mine has ''only'' good symmetry, and I''m danged if I can see anything un-gorgeous or a-symmetrical about it.

You can call and ask how the clarity is, is what I meant, sorry. Obviously, if there is a Very Good cut, and a Good cut, you can draw your own conclusions according to not only the education part of their site, but anywhere online, including here, about the difference in VG and G.

Mine''s fabulous, couldn''t be happier, here it is again. More gorgeous than my 2 megapixel can capture....

go for VG cut!

(edited to add... however symmetrical and sparkly it may be, it is UPSIDE DOWN in this post!)
Nice diamond I like it
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Good symmetry by itself isn''t always a bad thing it means some of the meet points didn''t line up just right.
Depending on which facets they are and how much they are out can sometimes make no eye visible difference but sometimes they can.
My rule is that diamonds with good symmetry have to seen by a professional I trust for a judgement call on them before purchase.
Not to be mean but because yours is awesome and its not a problem doesnt mean its always not a problem.
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kewl?
 
Date: 9/7/2006 4:57:42 PM
Author: strmrdr

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Good symmetry by itself isn''t always a bad thing it means some of the meet points didn''t line up just right.

Depending on which facets they are and how much they are out can sometimes make no eye visible difference but sometimes they can.

My rule is that diamonds with good symmetry have to seen by a professional I trust for a judgement call on them before purchase.

Not to be mean but because yours is awesome and its not a problem doesnt mean its always not a problem.
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kewl?

been away from the computer...yes, I trusted a diamond retailer as big and widely reviewed as this one, with professionals who view each diamond, not to sell something that was obvious and crooked-looking. I figure they probably weed out carefully, like vendors here, and just don''t sell junky stuff.

My diamond is under a carat, maybe "good" symmetry in a larger one would be more obvious, but mine looks great to me. In fact, I had to go dig out the paperwork to see what the particulars were on this, I had forgotten, because we had looked at some with a VG symmetry and cuts better than VG. I remembered my cut was VG, but thought the symmetry was too. The Good symmetry is not a problem in my selection.

In looking at a variety, here and in person, I do notice that Cut truly does trump some of the other things that might be less desirable. I have a relative with an emerald cut from a mall retailer, and it''s dingy, frosty looking and no sparkle. Sure enough, it''s a "fair" cut. It''s a G, even, and has a higher clarity than my SI1 (it also has a depth of 73 to my 63, and a table of 73 to my 68) My diamond is the clear standout in a side by side comparison. Hers is about one carat... I felt almost guilty comparing with her. Mine shoots fiery rainbows and glitters like crazy, hers just sits there like a white piece of gravel. Hers is one week newer than mine, also set in platinum. It also cost more than mine. The difference is stunning.

I can''t vouch for everything sold online, just hoping it reassured someone who was about to pull the trigger on a large purchase. As we bought ours, we just kept telling each other how easy it would be to return it, so that option was what compelled us to go forward with some comfort about it. We didn''t spend as much as JPWRana, but again -- you can always send it back!

Not everyone trusts online purchasing, but we buy just about everything else online, so after some research, we weren''t too nervous about buying a diamond, the GIA report tells a lot. I knew how I wanted my emerald cut to look, not too square, not too "baguetty" those posted details about each diamond are so helpful, I really could see it in my mind''s eye, after checking here for advice, and reading everything we could find on details. I knew I would be happy with an H color... in fact, might have been fine with a J. I like warmer diamonds better, myself. My H looks as icy clear white as it can be. I just wanted to make sure it looked white in a platinum setting, so we decided not to go below an H, but have since seen some Ks posted here I think, that looked absolutely gorgeous in white metal.

After it''s on the workbench in your account status, you can call and have it eyeballed for a report back on how it appears to the eye. The description of the feather in mine was fair, honest, and accurate. a "not obvious" feather under the table. It took me 2 weeks to find it, truthfully. The way it''s set, it blend in with the reflection of the band underneath, and I have to practically shove it inside my eyeball to see it, and turn it juuuuust right. I think a major diamond retailer like the vendors here and where I got mine, probably don''t even access diamonds that are awful. I believe those are snapped up by the mall chain stores first!
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here''s hoping it arrives and dazzles you, I can''t wait to see it and hear what you think. Are you having it set there? Please post pics!

N-jo
 
Yes, BN is easy to return things to - I did it once and it went very easy. They are nice.

I really hope you like the princess - send out the pix as soon as you can. Isn''t it fun to be on pins and needles waiting for the mail to come - I love that!
 
One last thing - did you notice they are running a $100 off promo on this website? "ASEPT36" is the code so call them and make sure you get your 100 off.
 
Date: 9/11/2006 5:28:20 PM
Author: Beacon
One last thing - did you notice they are running a $100 off promo on this website? ''ASEPT36'' is the code so call them and make sure you get your 100 off.


yes, I agree -- buyers can call and ask for it even if the order has been placed. Nice catch, Beacon! I love me some online coupons/promos. The more you save, the more you can buy later, is how I look at it.
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The ring came in on Friday and I''m real excited. I''m going to be taking it to an independent appraiser (is 1 enough? or 2?) listed from the pricescope list. So far it looks real good. The sparkle doesnt look all that, but then again I don''t have professional lighting.

Now I need proposal ideas.
 
Date: 9/18/2006 1:50:29 PM
Author: JPWRana
The ring came in on Friday and I''m real excited. I''m going to be taking it to an independent appraiser (is 1 enough? or 2?) listed from the pricescope list. So far it looks real good. The sparkle doesnt look all that, but then again I don''t have professional lighting.


Now I need proposal ideas.

I''m so glad you posted, I was wondering! Can you see the inclusion, does the diamond give you a thrill? I vote a proposal ASAP just in case she doesn''t fall in love with it, you can always send it back within 30 days. My internet diamond has been appraised once by their appraiser, which came with the diamond and was 75% more than we paid, and our local artisan/jeweler (not a mall store) appraised it afterward independently, without knowing what we paid, at a little over twice what we paid.

Don''t forget to get down on one knee! Present her a fake ring first, either an outright joke one made of candy, or a cheezy one from the dime store.

Option 1) With the candy ring, you can pretend what it will be like someday when she actually has a ring, you can go out, have hamburgers, pretend to be "engaged" with a silly candy ring, and at the end of the night, spring the real thing on her.

Option 2) Orrrr, be VERY VERY serious, and then present in a lovely box, a cheezy awful ring that pretends to look like the real thing, and have her in horror about how she''s going to live with it. Then spring the good one on her.

We ordered my ring together, so fiance proposed for the second time (the first was over the phone) with a post-it sticky in the dimensions of my diamond, and stuck it on my finger. I put tape over it and wore it a couple of days. Then when the real ring came, he did it all over again. It was fun/romantic all three times.

Take it to the grocery store or even Home Depot, it''ll sparkle itself silly. My ring goes crazy shooting rainbows in noon sunlight in my yard against the wood fence.

There are different types of "sparkle" for different stones, and I haven''t really paid much attention to princess ones, sorry to say. It''s quite different from my own emerald cut. Mine is clear, clean, with sort of icy-prismy sides as you turn it, and the cuts on the ends and corners are like crushed ice, very fiery.

If she loves a princess cut, you''ll know if she loves HERS right away, I bet. If she isn''t blown away, don''t let it trouble you or hurt your ego, just return and start again.

Did you have it set, or do you have something in mind?

photos! I''d really like to see photos, out of a setting, in a setting, on her hand, etc.

good luck!

N-jo
 
I didn''t reall all the posts, but the only con I can think of is that it''s from BN. BN doesn''t own its stones (except maybe for some of the signature ones???)...and you can give the links to any PS vendor who will likely be able to get both in for you and surely have a lower selling price. Best of luck with whatever you decide! :)
 
Date: 9/18/2006 4:49:08 PM
Author: moremoremore
I didn''t reall all the posts, but the only con I can think of is that it''s from BN. BN doesn''t own its stones (except maybe for some of the signature ones???)...and you can give the links to any PS vendor who will likely be able to get both in for you and surely have a lower selling price. Best of luck with whatever you decide! :)

I use PS vendors, too, and am getting my wedding band and an eternity band from them, as well as my fiance''s titanium wedding band. But to be fair, BN is not the devil, really. I didn''t consider our (his) purchase to have a downside in the least. We searched all kinds of vendors and retailers online in the price range and with info gathered here and in other research. For the price we paid, I got an amazingly gorgeous ring that I can''t take my eyes off of. It''s bigger and clearer and has more fire than those I''ve seen in the local shops as well as the chains, and certainly beats the others owned by 3-4 family members.

Everyone thinks mine''s at least a carat, but it''s a Very Good cut .71, H color in platinum, with a tiny feather that took us 2 weeks to find. I continue to search diamonds like mine, all over the internet, and still haven''t found one with the ratio I wanted, in the color I wanted, in the price I wanted, with the medium girdle I wanted, that isn''t too deep or shallow, or has too large a table, EXTREMES on the girdle, etc. If I find one that''s close, it''s usually at least $800 to $1000 more than mine was. So, we continue to feel justified in the purchase.

But the most important thing is, I am IN LOVE with my diamond and can''t keep my eyes off it, so it was well worth the research and comparison shopping. Even without seeing it, it was just as I saw in my mind''s eye, given the specific dimensions and information. Just happened to be BN where it was located, that was the one that we kept coming back to....we certainly gave everyone else a chance, though.

I think if you get as close as you can to all your criteria, after looking all over, and I believe JPWRana did his research and looked around -- and the one you keep coming back to happens to be from BN, why not give it a try? Return policy alone makes it a pretty stress-free purchase.

I can''t buy my wedding band there because they don''t happen to have what I want, but I certainly didn''t feel as if we were "buying down" by using BN. I talked on the phone to the person who worked on setting my ring, who gave an accurate and exact rundown of the inclusion situation. I was perfectly, absolutely satisfied.
 
Hey guys, sorry for NOT posting (i''ve been very busy at work), but I got the ring, I got it independently appraised, AND I gave it to her already.

She LOVES IT!!

Pix madness coming soon.
 
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