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lukebennettmd

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Hi All,

I recently purchased this diamond and setting from August Vintage for my soon to be fiancé! We actually picked it out together and are both very excited! I didn't want to pester Jonathan with questions over the phone and thought I could live with the uncertainty, but there are still some questions in the back of my mind. I am probably the more particular one out of the two of us and wanted a little reassurance that we made the right choice.

https://www.augustvintageinc.net/co...st-vintage-european-cut?variant=4598020079657

https://www.augustvintageinc.net/collections/caysie-van-bebber/products/the-dahlia-solitaire-1 (in yellow gold with mille grain)

Soooo my questions are

1. How worried should I be about the color? It seems that K's are right outside of the near colorless range and some are more warm than others. I know that my fiancé doesn't mind a warm stone, I just don't want it to be noticeably warm such that someone would unexpectedly make an unpleasant/uneducated remark about it to her. Most people that I show an OEC to, don't even know the style exists! (Neither of us have ever seen one in person). Taking a step outside of the near colorless RB standard zone is a little intimidating.

2. How worried should I be about the table being slightly larger than the average AVR? I have tried to determine the significance of this trait, but it seems fairly technical. I entered the diamond's measurements into the HCA calculator and it had a lower score due to light leakage. I have heard that the HCA doesn't apply well to AVR's. Knowing that the main appeal of the OEC to my fiancé is the bright chunky facets I want to make sure the diamond has good light return.

3. Generally speaking - what are your thoughts of the setting and diamond size on a 4.75 finger. My fiancé works in a professional setting and I definitely want her to feel comfortable wearing the ring at business meetings etc.


Thank you all very much!
 
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The Dahlia is hands down my favourite solitaire setting and I think she will be the envy of pretty much every woman she works with having that beautiful ring on her finger, so in the respect she’ll probably stand out!
The HCA doesn’t work for OEC/AVRs - it’s only intended for MRBs. The AVRs are cut for ideal light return so you’ll be fine.
Whether you see tint or not OR are bothered by seeing tint is something only you can tell.
Seeing tint isn’t inherently bad. AVRs are like OECs in facing up whiter they ‘should’ and a K in rich YG is going to really pop and look white. The setting will do a lot to hide the side view too - it’ll probably be hard to tell if you’re seeing stone tint or YG reflection in the stone. I’m not expressing myself well but I think you’ll be fine. It won’t look yellow.
 
Ps please post handshots when you get it? There’s a whole thread dedicated to CVBs work here and more Dahlias are always appreciated and enjoyed
 
Thank you, I understand what you are saying about the side view being well hidden due to the setting. I actually asked Jonathan to make a video of the final product because my fiancé to be really enjoyed watching the video presentations and it might be a fun thing to send to relatives etc. Jonathan, sorry I didn't realize you get asked that all the time. (He graciously agreed, I just learned he gets asked by additional research) You don't have to do it! Haha, I will try to get some pictures posted regardless!
 
Hi, I'm not as knowledgeable as many other regular posters, but I wanted to comment on the gorgeous stone and beautiful setting. To me it's the perfect combo. I'd be comfortable wearing it in a professional setting (or anywhere).

The HCA is for modern round brilliants only. It doesn't apply to other cuts.
Light performance - wise AVR s are the cream of the crop. Please don't worry. They do have a slightly different light return than mrbs, so many others prefer them in warmer colours. If this is the case for you and your fiancee, is something only you will know.
I think you'll be blown away, though;)2
 
Thank you! Already feeling much better. :angel:
 
This is going to be outstanding. I just got my first diamond...an AVC in K and I am blown away by it. It is so colorful in different ways in different lighting with the bursts of fire, pastels! etc. It looks very white the majority of time. Only in certain settings does it show some color but it's like my office building lobby with a combo of spot lights AND brown walls. I believe any diamond would take on tint in that environment. I set mine in platinum.
 
I will pop in to say a K diamond will look not white in the same sense that a comparably-cut diamond of a higher color will look white ... if Gypsy (nka Layla) was here, she'd paste in her savvy text re: think of all the shades of white at a paint store, while all of them are white so to speak, there is a visible difference along the spectrum of white shades, i.e., imagine arctic white next to candle-light white.

Without a doubt a K AVR will be tinted; that's why it is a K and not a higher color.

I hope you/your GF has seen the stone loose? If not, is there still time within the return period? Otherwise, as you say, hope for the best. Certainly the stone will be beautiful, and the setting will display it to its best advantage. Whether it is too obviously tinted for you/your GF is something only you can answer once you see it.
 
Your first question concerns me. You are worried that others might comment out of ignorance. I don’t think you can control that. They might not even blurt out any unintentional remarks. They make keep them to themselves and you will never know, but they may wonder why your ring looks different. The question to ask yourselves is, are YOU TWO ok with going outside the modern round ering? And if so, how do you go about embracing your choice to avoid hurt feelings? Whatever we say to comfort you here on color and style is irrelevant in the real world and if you aren’t 100 percent sure you love your choice.
 
Thank you all for taking the time to respond! I think that she dove head first into the vintage idea and won't look back. Odds are she will love it and that is ultimately what will make me happy. We researched it as thoroughly as you can, I guess, without actually seeing the diamonds in person. I even brought up my concerns above with her and.... she wasn't worried at all. She didn't want a smaller diamond with a higher color etc. She wanted THAT diamond! Probably the best thing I can do is just enjoy the ride :)
 
Greetings Luke!

Thanks for your questions. Never ... ever worry about thinking you're going to pester me. :) Questions are good and I always encourage them. If we don't ask we don't learn. Just some comments in answer ...

lukebennettmd said:
I know that my fiancé doesn't mind a warm stone, I just don't want it to be noticeably warm such that someone would unexpectedly make an unpleasant/uneducated remark about it to her.
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You are getting what is perhaps the least warm you can. Noting what you state above you have three factors that should help alleviate your concerns.

1. Your fiance doeosn't mind a warm stone.
2. Of diamonds cut in the OEC facet structure the AVR faces up as white as it gets. The elimination of light leakage and edge to edge light return eliminate color absorption in the face up view when observed in natural lighting.
3. As noted, the contrast of that in yellow gold will really make it pop.
4. For people who are really looking for a notable yellow tint then I would suggest M/N/O/P/Q/R colors.

If your fiance hasn't expressed what she has concerning a slight warmth then i'd be a bit more concerned but IMHO you're ok. Also, if you asked to see it loose I would not mind one bit. Your fiance's happiness is my #1 priority.

lukebennettmd said:
How worried should I be about the table being slightly larger than the average AVR?
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This one is a 48.5% table. Perfectly normal for AVR. There are some AVR's that may have 50% tables but when manufacturing, if the rough demands a slightly larger table (>50%) we ensure the lower half facets are also adjusted to ensure the illuminated flower patterning.

lukebennettmd said:
I have heard that the HCA doesn't apply well to AVR's.
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The reason for this is because the HCA assumes modern round brilliant cuts with lower half facet lengths =>75%. When diamonds are cut in this manner the lower half facets occupy most of the reflections under the table and the HCA is good for weeding out the bad performers (though not flawlessly). In AVR's and OEC diamonds in general the lower half facet reflections occupy little to no reflections under the table facet and the reflections under the table are virtually all from the pavilion main facets that comprise the chunky reflections and flower patterning you see under the table.

Thanks for your questions and if any others pop to mind don't hesitate to reach out.

Warm regards,
Rhino
 
Thanks Jonathan! I think that answers the questions and reaffirms what I am expecting. We have seen many AVR and AVC K's via Youtube etc and compared them to higher color grade AVR and AVC diamond videos as well. I think I can rest more comfortably knowing that I got the question out there! Thanks again
 
That table is really small. So I'm assuming without reading all the other replies that someone has said that!

I have an O color AVR that faces up an ivory white. Want to see it in natural light coming from my windows? On top is a yellow sapphire, then the AVR, then a ring with a Y-Z light yellow AVC. It faces up a light champagne to ivory white. I don't see an issue with a K. But I'd make the head (prongs) of the Dahlia in platinum and just make the shank yellow gold. It's pretty in all yellow, too, though.
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This is my GIA K OEC, old European cut, an AVR without the perfect optics. Platinum setting. I transitioned from an F MRB. No regrets. I am very color sensitive with MRB’s. Antique cuts just reflect light differently so I just don’t notice color the same way with an OEC v. An MRB.
 
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Wow! Yeah, I am not worried anymore after seeing that :clap:
 
Please post a photo when you receive the ring!
 
This ring is going to be beautiful. I wouldn’t worry about the color. I can’t wait to see hand shots when it is finished.
 
It's going to be stunning! And ditto to DS about the table. 48% is not large at all for an AVR!

Can't wait to see the finished ring if you are so kind as to come back and post photos :mrgreen2:;)2!
 
I know nothing about AVRs, but I have to say that I love the combination of an AVR with that Dahlia setting. So perfect together.
 
The stone in my avatar is a K AVC.. I gave it to my son, it's 1.33 carats, you can see a slight tint when viewing from the side but nothing from the front.. My now DIL loves this stone and ring. She has a matching wedding band to go with this setting. This stone is a knockout blinger, it's so colorful, I gave to it to my son so he wouldn't go into hock (but he did for the setting and wedding band and wedding anyway) but I am happy to help my kids if I can. Your stone and setting is beautiful, the setting is my favorite of all.. I cannot wait to see the ring. Congratulations!

lukebennettmd said:
Hi All,

I recently purchased this diamond and setting from August Vintage for my soon to be fiancé! We actually picked it out together and are both very excited! I didn't want to pester Jonathan with questions over the phone and thought I could live with the uncertainty, but there are still some questions in the back of my mind. I am probably the more particular one out of the two of us and wanted a little reassurance that we made the right choice.

https://www.augustvintageinc.net/co...st-vintage-european-cut?variant=4598020079657

https://www.augustvintageinc.net/collections/caysie-van-bebber/products/the-dahlia-solitaire-1 (in yellow gold with mille grain)

Soooo my questions are

1. How worried should I be about the color? It seems that K's are right outside of the near colorless range and some are more warm than others. I know that my fiancé doesn't mind a warm stone, I just don't want it to be noticeably warm such that someone would unexpectedly make an unpleasant/uneducated remark about it to her. Most people that I show an OEC to, don't even know the style exists! (Neither of us have ever seen one in person). Taking a step outside of the near colorless RB standard zone is a little intimidating.

2. How worried should I be about the table being slightly larger than the average AVR? I have tried to determine the significance of this trait, but it seems fairly technical. I entered the diamond's measurements into the HCA calculator and it had a lower score due to light leakage. I have heard that the HCA doesn't apply well to AVR's. Knowing that the main appeal of the OEC to my fiancé is the bright chunky facets I want to make sure the diamond has good light return.

3. Generally speaking - what are your thoughts of the setting and diamond size on a 4.75 finger. My fiancé works in a professional setting and I definitely want her to feel comfortable wearing the ring at business meetings etc.


Thank you all very much!
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This is spectacular!! So very exciting! Oh, but you're gonna need to post more than ONE picture. :whistle:

And a big shout out to @Rhino !! I have loved watching your entertaining and highly educational YouTube videos, and yes, I also stalk your instagram. I love that you also pop in here and educate and reassure people. And offer to do all the little extra things that make the whole process a wonderful experience for your customers (myself as a hopeful-future customer) :kiss2:
 
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