1.65ct Transitional Cut Purchase and Now Nervous

[MomInstyle]

Hi all,

I've been quite a long time lurker on PS. PS is a great community and you're rock! I've been a big fan of the old cuts and I have been reading a lot info by Dreamer-D, Old Miner, Richard Sherwood, LGK, Vix, etc... and took notes. I've been staking ebay and local listing and local estate jewelry for the past 4 months. I wanted to something good deal but good deal from ebay is like finding needle from the haystack. I either find with no certain info, vaguely, or pic provided are so poor. I wanted a good nice for 2nd ring or in the long after I get my holy grail ring 3ct ish OEC, I could convert into a pendant

Today I made a purchase of 1.65ct Transitional cut graded EGL US of VS2, and O-P color set in Julia Solitaire JBEG. The seller originally purchased from JBEG a year ago. The seller will ship out by end of day. I am excited and also so nervous that I want to vomit. I don' t know how it will look and whether if the stone face up whiter than O-P as seller and JBEG stated.

Would some experts here please help me take a look? Does it seem to look whiter than O-P? Can so see leakage or lazy facet? Your opinion is greatly appreciate. Here are some from JBEG.

 

[MomInstyle]

 

[Confection10]

I'm not definately expert but the diamond looks oec, not transitional. If I'm wrong, correct please. The setting is marvelous and stone looks fine to my eyes. I' m sure You don't have to be worried. Just be happy of Your purchase.
I bought oec from JBEG last winter and couldn't be happier. I'm from Finland and I made my choice by photos only. Those ladies really have eyes for great stones.

 

[MomInstyle]

^^ Sorry I should have posted specs. I believe it's indeed a "transitional cut' because the table is large and it's also shallow.
Per EGL grading
Shape and Cut: Transition Round Brilliant

Measurement: 7.80 - 7.50 x 4.30 mm

Depth: 57.3%

Table: 52 %

Crown: 17.2%

Pavilion: 37.2%

 

[GemFever]

Looks like you got a stone that faces up pretty big for a good price. It is shallow like you mentioned, that comes with some issues, but it also helps it to look bigger. You should enjoy it as a ring, and then when you upgrade, it will make a beautiful pendant. That's a good plan!

 

[Confection10]

Someone expert will give You more information, I'm sure. I'm in totally in love with these old cuts and their warmer colors. Of course colorless stones are beautiful, but my own is L color (EGL) and looks quite white in most lightnings. Only on very cloudy days I can see it's warm hue. In bright sun it looks colorless.

 

[IE_Princess]

I think feeling excited and nervous and like you're going to vomit is pretty normal, lol. I know I do whenever I make a big purchase. I hope you love it when it arrives!

 

[MomInstyle]

I'm not definately expert but the diamond looks oec, not transitional. If I'm wrong, correct please. The setting is marvelous and stone looks fine to my eyes. I' m sure You don't have to be worried. Just be happy of Your purchase.
I bought oec from JBEG last winter and couldn't be happier. I'm from Finland and I made my choice by photos only. Those ladies really have eyes for great stones.

Thanks Confection! The funny is that a couple yrs ago I wanted JBEG to do a setting for my ring but by the time I got the center stone. Erica from JBEG was no longer in the trade so I went me another local jeweler in Seattle. Yes, I have heard many great things about JBEG particularly in PS community. I am glad to hear they also make customer satisfy across the sea as well.

 

[yssie]

Hi all,

I've been quite a long time lurker on PS. PS is a great community and you're rock! I've been a big fan of the old cuts and I have been reading a lot info by Dreamer-D, Old Miner, Richard Sherwood, LGK, Vix, etc... and took notes. I've been staking ebay and local listing and local estate jewelry for the past 4 months. I wanted to something good deal but good deal from ebay is like finding needle from the haystack. I either find with no certain info, vaguely, or pic provided are so poor. I wanted a good nice for 2nd ring or in the long after I get my holy grail ring 3ct ish OEC, I could convert into a pendant

Today I made a purchase of 1.65ct Transitional cut graded EGL US of VS2, and O-P color set in Julia Solitaire JBEG. The seller originally purchased from JBEG a year ago. The seller will ship out by end of day. I am excited and also so nervous that I want to vomit. I don' t know how it will look and whether if the stone face up whiter than O-P as seller and JBEG stated.

Would some experts here please help me take a look? Does it seem to look whiter than O-P? Can so see leakage or lazy facet? Your opinion is greatly appreciate. Here are some from JBEG.

The pics are tiny on my screen - can you re-attach them w/ less compression?

 

[MomInstyle]

Looks like you got a stone that faces up pretty big for a good price. It is shallow like you mentioned, that comes with some issues, but it also helps it to look bigger. You should enjoy it as a ring, and then when you upgrade, it will make a beautiful pendant. That's a good plan!

Thanks for input. Yes, there is a positive and also negative come with it. I just run the number on HCA and response come back that due to pavilion is shallow, it may cause "fish-eye". What is that mean?

 

[Confection10]

Looks like this http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/SignatureSettingsPortfolio/Plain-and-Pave-Solitaires/165-Old-European-Cut-Diamond/20298347_MPC4vn#!i=1604926298&k=9JHg2Zn
HCA doesn't work for old cuts, so don't worry about that

 

[MomInstyle]

Hi all,

I've been quite a long time lurker on PS. PS is a great community and you're rock! I've been a big fan of the old cuts and I have been reading a lot info by Dreamer-D, Old Miner, Richard Sherwood, LGK, Vix, etc... and took notes. I've been staking ebay and local listing and local estate jewelry for the past 4 months. I wanted to something good deal but good deal from ebay is like finding needle from the haystack. I either find with no certain info, vaguely, or pic provided are so poor. I wanted a good nice for 2nd ring or in the long after I get my holy grail ring 3ct ish OEC, I could convert into a pendant

Today I made a purchase of 1.65ct Transitional cut graded EGL US of VS2, and O-P color set in Julia Solitaire JBEG. The seller originally purchased from JBEG a year ago. The seller will ship out by end of day. I am excited and also so nervous that I want to vomit. I don' t know how it will look and whether if the stone face up whiter than O-P as seller and JBEG stated.

Would some experts here please help me take a look? Does it seem to look whiter than O-P? Can so see leakage or lazy facet? Your opinion is greatly appreciate. Here are some from JBEG.

The pics are tiny on my screen - can you re-attach them w/ less compression?

Yssie,

I don't know how to re-attached pics w/ less compression. Here is the original listing on JBEG.
http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/SOLD-ITEMS-1/165ct-Old-European-Cut-Diamond/19209288_8msWrs#!i=1497852759&k=nmQDwP8

 

[yssie]

Ah, thanks for the links.

MomInStyle, did you want feedback on other aspects of the stone or are you asking about colour only?
I will say that trying to determine nuances of colour on a computer screen is a risky proposition - there can be lots of variation in how the photo was taken, what type of lighting was used, how the camera used captures colour, whether there was any post-photography processing, how our monitors are calibrated...

 

[MomInstyle]

Ah, thanks for the links.

MomInStyle, did you want feedback on other aspects of the stone or are you asking about colour only?
I will say that trying to determine nuances of colour on a computer screen is a risky proposition - there can be lots of variation in how the photo was taken, what type of lighting was used, how the camera used captures colour, whether there was any post-photography processing, how our monitors are calibrated...

Yes, I would greatly appreciate some feedback on other aspects of the stone as well. It's a great opportunity for me to learn so in the future I will me well-armed w/ knowledge when purchasing.

 

[MomInstyle]

Ah, thanks for the links.

MomInStyle, did you want feedback on other aspects of the stone or are you asking about colour only?
I will say that trying to determine nuances of colour on a computer screen is a risky proposition - there can be lots of variation in how the photo was taken, what type of lighting was used, how the camera used captures colour, whether there was any post-photography processing, how our monitors are calibrated...

Yes, I would greatly appreciate some feedback on other aspects of the stone as well. It's a great opportunity for me to learn so in the future I will me well-armed w/ knowledge when purchasing.

 

[ecf8503]

I find JbEG's pics hard to decipher, personally. They are almost always taken outdoors by a tree or bush, so there is a green cast on everything, which makes body color hard to see.

Honestly - just wait until you see it with your own eyes. If it makes your heart go pitter-patter, then it was a good purchase. Don't let speculation by those of us who have not had the opportunity to see it in real life sway your opinion in any way!

 

[yssie]

"Fish eye" is usually the result of a shallower pav combo paired with a larger table - it's when you can actually see the reflection of the interior of the girdle face-up under the edges of the table. A 'mild' effect might only be visible on slight tilt, and a more 'severe' fish eye will look quite literally like a milky, hazy ring under the table that's exaggerated as you tilt the stone. I have a smaller OEC with what I'd consider pretty 'severe' fish eye.

HCA isn't designed for old cuts but I do believe I see a similar effect in the stone you've chosen. I could be mistaken, if so those with more knowledge and experience please correct me. I'm only bringing it up since it's RT and I truly don't mean to scare you away from this stone if it makes your heart go pitter-patter like efc said, but I do think most people who post on RT are looking for input on all considerations to help them make their decisions... my point: I couldn't say whether it *should* be something that concerns you - if you wait to find an old cut that ticks all the checkboxes you'll be waiting a very, very long time! Their wonk is part of their charm, and those of us who chase them just have to figure out what sorts of wonk we find charming and what sorts we can't abide. "From your post I'm not clear on whether you've seen the stone in-person? If having it shipped out to inspect before setting is an option I would strongly recommend it, to confirm that you love (or, at least, don't dislike!) both the facet patterning and the colour IRL, especially since you obviously have some concerns about the latter...

 

[yssie]

 

[MomInstyle]

Hi Eef,
Thank you for chiming in. My heart already go pitter-patter on the photos and videos. Perhaps the pics taken outdoor by trees/bushes of green for a purpose, color balancing, LOL.

Yes, I still have butterflies now so will see if how it looks in person. I hope it's have a good impression. I will keep you updated on Monday.

I find JbEG's pics hard to decipher, personally. They are almost always taken outdoors by a tree or bush, so there is a green cast on everything, which makes body color hard to see.

Honestly - just wait until you see it with your own eyes. If it makes your heart go pitter-patter, then it was a good purchase. Don't let speculation by those of us who have not had the opportunity to see it in real life sway your opinion in any way!

 

[MomInstyle]

"Fish eye" is usually the result of a shallower pav combo paired with a larger table - it's when you can actually see the reflection of the interior of the girdle face-up under the edges of the table. A 'mild' effect might only be visible on slight tilt, and a more 'severe' fish eye will look quite literally like a milky, hazy ring under the table that's exaggerated as you tilt the stone. I have a smaller OEC with what I'd consider pretty 'severe' fish eye.

HCA isn't designed for old cuts but I do believe I see a similar effect in the stone you've chosen. I could be mistaken, if so those with more knowledge and experience please correct me. I'm only bringing it up since it's RT and I truly don't mean to scare you away from this stone if it makes your heart go pitter-patter like efc said, but I do think most people who post on RT are looking for input on all considerations to help them make their decisions... my point: I couldn't say whether it *should* be something that concerns you - if you wait to find an old cut that ticks all the checkboxes you'll be waiting a very, very long time! Their wonk is part of their charm, and those of us who chase them just have to figure out what sorts of wonk we find charming and what sorts we can't abide. "From your post I'm not clear on whether you've seen the stone in-person? If having it shipped out to inspect before setting is an option I would strongly recommend it, to confirm that you love (or, at least, don't dislike!) both the facet patterning and the colour IRL, especially since you obviously have some concerns about the latter...

Yssie,
First, thank you for taking the time to give me input and visual demonstration of an fish-eye. I purchased the ring w/out seeing in-person and it's on the way to me, expected delivery on Monday. I posted on RT in hope that get input and better understand of what I am getting, well in this case is more of what I got. Does mine look like mild or serve fish-eye? I will try to take better straight on pic when I have in the ring on hands.

BTW: Your new BGD cushion DBTY is TDF. It's so delicate and chic. I love it.

 

[Hera]

Mominstyle, may I give you some advice? You have already purchased the ring and I would only proceed dissecting the cut if you have a return policy in effect. The thing is that having a lot of information about our diamonds can lead to a certain disappointment and can make us fall out of love of our diamonds.

 

[junebug17]

Mominstyle, may I give you some advice? You have already purchased the ring and I would only proceed dissecting the cut if you have a return policy in effect. The thing is that having a lot of information about our diamonds can lead to a certain disappointment and can make us fall out of love of our diamonds.

Well put Hera! You make an excellent point and I totally agree.

I think it is a very pretty ring and I admired it when it was on JbEG. In fact I thought about purchasing it but it sold before I was ready to buy. Many old cuts have a bit of wonk to them and are not always perfect. I also adore that setting! I also think it's a good value. The setting alone goes for $2700.

 

[diamond-enthusiast]

The stone is leaky you can practically see through most parts on the stone. In terms of optics, it's not appealing.

 

[kenny]

I disagree with, "if you own it stop learning about it".
Ignorance is not bliss, it's just ignorance.

Go ahead and learn.
If that means some day you let go of the diamond you have and get one you feel is better or more what you want, so be it.
I've done that a couple times.
The result is a diamond on your hand that meets your better-informed standards.

Isn't PS all about diamond education?


Something I read here often on PS is, "All that matters is that you love it."
Whenever I read that I think of the owner of Lopsie Fugs feeling better about her diamond.

 

[CharmyPoo]

You got the nice version and the blunt version. I guess you have to make a call on what you will do now.

We all learn and most of us have made a few switches along the journey.

 

[IE_Princess]

Did it arrive Monday? Are you in love?

 

[Dreamer_D]

For edumacation... I think Yssie is correct that the diamond shows some signs of under-table perimeter leakage. I am not sure it is a "reject" level for a few reasons. First, some leakage is common to old cuts and I am not sure the amount evident in those photos is beyond the pal for old cuts. Second, you may have paid a price that lets you accept some compromise. Given your desire for a pendent longer term, this could be a good one for you. Third, I too find JBEG's photos poor for evaluating cut and facet patterning. In my personal experience their diamonds look much better in person than their photos.

With old cuts, we all have to determine our own level of OCD about cut quality. I don't evaluate old cuts with quite the same criteria as a modern cut. For *me* I prefer a more precise cut for my primary ring. But for a pendant and for a RHR and if the price is right, I would not reject this diamond without seeing it in person.

 

[MomInstyle]

Mominstyle, may I give you some advice? You have already purchased the ring and I would only proceed dissecting the cut if you have a return policy in effect. The thing is that having a lot of information about our diamonds can lead to a certain disappointment and can make us fall out of love of our diamonds.

Hi Heraanderson, thanks for your input. Yes, it definitely could sway my opinion and level of excitement of my diamond; however, I personally like to know the fact even though it may not be the best.

 

[MomInstyle]

Mominstyle, may I give you some advice? You have already purchased the ring and I would only proceed dissecting the cut if you have a return policy in effect. The thing is that having a lot of information about our diamonds can lead to a certain disappointment and can make us fall out of love of our diamonds.

Well put Hera! You make an excellent point and I totally agree.

I think it is a very pretty ring and I admired it when it was on JbEG. In fact I thought about purchasing it but it sold before I was ready to buy. Many old cuts have a bit of wonk to them and are not always perfect. I also adore that setting! I also think it's a good value. The setting alone goes for $2700.

June, Yes, I do think it's the pretty and agree it's a good deal w/ some compromises. I love the setting because I think it's simply yet classy. I will be nice to have a change of solitaire rather than halo pave ( my primary ring is halo pave).

 

[MomInstyle]

The stone is leaky you can practically see through most parts on the stone. In terms of optics, it's not appealing.

Thank you for your input. I honestly need to learn more on "optics".