1.65ct Transitional Cut Purchase and Now Nervous

[MomInstyle]

I disagree with, "if you own it stop learning about it".
Ignorance is not bliss, it's just ignorance.

Go ahead and learn.
If that means some day you let go of the diamond you have and get one you feel is better or more what you want, so be it.
I've done that a couple times.
The result is a diamond on your hand that meets your better-informed standards.

Isn't PS all about diamond education?


Something I read here often on PS is, "All that matters is that you love it."
Whenever I read that I think of the owner of Lopsie Fugs feeling better about her diamond.

Hello Kenny,

I agree, I posted her to learn more about the ring I bought so I can better informed for my future purchase. What is another better place than PS, right!

I had to google search on "Lopsie Fugs". Oh boy! I don't know if I can have a courage to put it under the ideal scope.

 

[MomInstyle]

Charmypoo & EI-Princess,

The ring did not arrived yesterday but I came this morning while I was out of the office. I just open my package 30 mins ago and I really love it w/ nake eyes. It sparkles crazy and it faces up white that O-P. I don't have ideal scope yet but I just quickly loupe it at my desk. I have to be quite secretively about doing so since I sit at cubicle work station.

 

[MomInstyle]

For edumacation... I think Yssie is correct that the diamond shows some signs of under-table perimeter leakage. I am not sure it is a "reject" level for a few reasons. First, some leakage is common to old cuts and I am not sure the amount evident in those photos is beyond the pal for old cuts. Second, you may have paid a price that lets you accept some compromise. Given your desire for a pendent longer term, this could be a good one for you. Third, I too find JBEG's photos poor for evaluating cut and facet patterning. In my personal experience their diamonds look much better in person than their photos.

With old cuts, we all have to determine our own level of OCD about cut quality. I don't evaluate old cuts with quite the same criteria as a modern cut. For *me* I prefer a more precise cut for my primary ring. But for a pendant and for a RHR and if the price is right, I would not reject this diamond without seeing it in person.

Dreamer_D,

Thank you so much for chiming in. I am quite a newbie on diamond. RB is at least having some a sweet spot for table, depth, pavilion, etc guideline, but the tranny is all over the map so I did not really know what to base on. I just the received 30 mins ago and you are right it definitely looks much better in person than the photos on JBEG. It gives me a good first impression and sparkles crazy. I will try to take pics later.

 

[Dreamer_D]

If you have owned or do own ideal cut MRBs then you know what a nice looking cut diamonds looks like. So you can use your eyes to judge -- this stone will not look like an MRB of course, but you can still look for beauty and appeal in the faceting. It was likely cut almost 100 years ago so precision and perfection are not common in old cuts. Many (not all of course, but many) of the perfect looking old cuts we see on PS look that way because of a) great photography and b) tweaked cutting to old stones. So you cannot use PS photos as your benchmark. You can use your eyes and you can see other old cuts to compare this diamond. But if you cannot to the latter then you need to determine if the price is fair for the specs, and if you are happy with the appearance of the diamond's plusses and minuses knowing it was cut by hand to different standards than those used today. As I said, I don't think its a uber-babe in terms of cut -- it has some leakage and so likely goes a little dark under the table in some lighting and angles. But it is not a fugly cut either IMO.

What did you pay?

PS: it is not a transitional cut in my opinion, the label on the EGL report doesn't matter in that regard. I think its an OEC from the facet pattern, just a shallow one.

 

[MomInstyle]

Sigh.... I have a little bit of challenge w/ taking pics on my camera. I did set it on macro.... I really want to break it but I can since i just broke one 6 months ago.

Okay... iphone is the best i can do now.

 

[MomInstyle]

Not good pics but it's all i can do

 

[MomInstyle]

If you have owned or do own ideal cut MRBs then you know what a nice looking cut diamonds looks like. So you can use your eyes to judge -- this stone will not look like an MRB of course, but you can still look for beauty and appeal in the faceting. It was likely cut almost 100 years ago so precision and perfection are not common in old cuts. Many (not all of course, but many) of the perfect looking old cuts we see on PS look that way because of a) great photography and b) tweaked cutting to old stones. So you cannot use PS photos as your benchmark. You can use your eyes and you can see other old cuts to compare this diamond. But if you cannot to the latter then you need to determine if the price is fair for the specs, and if you are happy with the appearance of the diamond's plusses and minuses knowing it was cut by hand to different standards than those used today. As I said, I don't think its a uber-babe in terms of cut -- it has some leakage and so likely goes a little dark under the table in some lighting and angles. But it is not a fugly cut either IMO.

What did you pay?

PS: it is not a transitional cut in my opinion, the label on the EGL report doesn't matter in that regard. I think its an OEC from the facet pattern, just a shallow one.

I've looked at 8 different rings for old european cut, ranging from over .85ct -4ct ish (price of $2K to $37K). I paid $4600. Is that a good price?

Many of OECs from PS sure gorgeous. It's hard to look from macro and blow-up from screen to 7mm in IRL. Yes, I agree it's not the best cut and not fugly cut either, but i like the facet. Today i worn my top in pinkish peach, facet reflect that color.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Is the girdle really thick on the stone? I think some of what is showing under the table area is a girdle reflection. A frosted girdle can sometimes reflect under the table especially in shallower stones. If you ever unset the diamonds you could consider a girdle refacet, it might improve the optics a fair bit!

Here are two examples of similar issues that were resolves with repolishing the girdles. Singlestone did both I think.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/single-stone-re-polish-results.142112/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/single-stone-re-polish-results.142112/[/URL]

Before: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/faceting-an-old-mine-cut-to-reduce-fish-eye.159777/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/faceting-an-old-mine-cut-to-reduce-fish-eye.159777/[/URL]
After: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-new-ish-4-28-omc-old-mine-cut-mens-diamond-ring.163498/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-new-ish-4-28-omc-old-mine-cut-mens-diamond-ring.163498/[/URL]

Your stone is not nearly as bad as both of the linked stones were "before" I suspect, so I am not sure it really needs a girdle polish. its something to just keep in mind if you ever unset the stone.

You paid a very fair price I think, especially including the mount. You would be hard pressed to pay less direct from ebay and there is much more risk that way. I think if you wanted to pay more like $10k you could find something with a better cut perhaps -- more classic proportions and angles. But, that is double...

I like the slightly off-round shape by the way.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Not good pics but it's all i can do

I think it looks pretty in these photos. The third one in particular shows a nice chunky bright stone. I am sure at some angles if you look you can see the leakage and haze. The trick: don't look Each person must make their own call about how picky they want to be about cut in these oldies. I am of the opinion that as long as the price is good -- and I think it is in this case -- then I can accept a less-than-perfect cut. Especially if it is not my primary e-ring. It will be an amazing killer pendant diamond one day, and it makes a lovely ring for now.

 

[phale]

I actually considered buying this ring so I followed your thread very closely. lol it could turn out to be my experience.

I'm so happy that you love it. I think you get it at a great price!

 

[junebug17]

I think it looks pretty! We each have to decide how much imperfection we can live with. If this one is pleasing to your eye, then that's great. I think it is a very good buy to boot - as I've said, the setting alone goes for $2700. I think you paid a good price for a pretty ring. I would love to see shots from further way on your hand if you can!

 

[MomInstyle]

Dreamer_D: Good morning! Thank you for sending the reference threads on re-polishing. For the two examples ,I did read “Kelpie” thread a few weeks ago. What a transformation! Pkanawha’s ring had a great turn out too. As for my ring, I don’t see cavity or flea bite, but it seem it has some rough (white rough) w/ 30x loupe. Is that considering frosted girdle? Here is pic that I just snapped.

 

[MomInstyle]

I actually considered buying this ring so I followed your thread very closely. lol it could turn out to be my experience.

I'm so happy that you love it. I think you get it at a great price!

Hi Phale,

Yes, it could be you. LOL. I don't think it's a bad experience as it has pro and con; as for me it's up to the individual's standard of perfection.

BTW: did you end up keeping the OEC 6 prongs from JBEG?

 

[MomInstyle]

I think it looks pretty! We each have to decide how much imperfection we can live with. If this one is pleasing to your eye, then that's great. I think it is a very good buy to boot - as I've said, the setting alone goes for $2700. I think you paid a good price for a pretty ring. I would love to see shots from further way on your hand if you can!

Thanks Junebug17! I will have to take it the jeweler to size down. Currently it's 5.5 and my finger is sz 4, so I do need to resize down. Arm length distance photo will come soon.

 

[Dreamer_D]

I am not an expert on girdles (diamonds or otherwise ) but that does look like a thicker and frosted girdle. It looks clean at least. I had a couple old cuts that are beautifully cut but had thick girdles like that that were dirty -- ground in dirt -- and it slightly affected the apparent color of the stones. Added a slight grey tinge. The girdle really can affect appearance when it's thick. Some people think a frosted girdle when clean makes a diamond look whiter. Maybe. But in a shallow stone it can contibute to a fihs eye look too. I am not sure if it is affecting things with your stone but I bet it is having *some* effect. If it was me, if I ever unset the diamond I would look into it just to see what an expert might say.

 

[phale]

funny i have about the same finger size too

i received it yesterday and im debating. I'm about to upload pics to ask for advice

 

[MomInstyle]

Just got it resize during my lunch hour. Here is mod pics

 

[Dreamer_D]

It looks huge and beautiful. I can see in those images that the central facets are not as crisp and clear and they might be if the stone had different proportions. But, it is by no means ugly! It looks very white and bright and chunky. And the setting is gorgeous.

 

[Missy]

It is lovely and bright and I agree deliciously chunky as Dreamer said. Remember macro pics are not images we are seeing in real life. The most important thing is if the leakage you are seeing in real life will bother you. That is what you have to decide. Maybe you can ask Erica/Grace for a few more days to wear this and see how you feel about it. All in all a really pretty stone.

 

[junebug17]

Oh mominstyle, it looks beautiful! It looks so bright and white, and by now I'm sure I've made it clear that I adore that setting! It looks so lovely on you, enjoy your new bling!

 

[MomInstyle]

More pics... Look what the facet pick up color.

Thank you Dreamer_D, Yessie, and everyone else for OEC education. I will call you help again for my future dream ring.

 

[Hera]

Well, you've heard plenty about the cut of your ring so I won't remark. You paid a good price as that is a very desirable setting. I did want to say that I absolutely adore your bracelet layering!!!!

 

[Missy]

oops, sorry mominstyle. I got momentarily confused about where you got your ring as I got you mixed up with another PSer who just got a ring from JbEG. Sorry about that! I still think your ring is lovely. That I did not get mixed up about!

 

[MomInstyle]

It looks huge and beautiful. I can see in those images that the central facets are not as crisp and clear and they might be if the stone had different proportions. But, it is by no means ugly! It looks very white and bright and chunky. And the setting is gorgeous.

Thanks a bunch! Having small finger help w/ coverage ratio. Yesterday the weather was wear, the sun is out but covered by a layer of cloud, so lighting was good for photograph. Face up really white, in some light it looks an "I" when place next to my "I" color stone. I am open to getting another similar stone to make into a pair of studs.

 

[MomInstyle]

oops, sorry mominstyle. I got momentarily confused about where you got your ring as I got you mixed up with another PSer who just got a ring from JbEG. Sorry about that! I still think your ring is lovely. That I did not get mixed up about!

Were you mistaken my with PSer "Phale"? The one is completing from JBEG is very similar to mine. Thanks for kind compliment.

 

[MomInstyle]

Well, you've heard plenty about the cut of your ring so I won't remark. You paid a good price as that is a very desirable setting. I did want to say that I absolutely adore your bracelet layering!!!!

Thanks Hera! I think I paid a very good price, I emailed the seller to confirm that I rec'd the ring and I asked her what the price she paid for when she get from JBEG. She bought for $7000 JBEG last year and I got it $4600 and ready to wear. I am happy with it.

I love my layering bracelet set too I am almost done with another the exact identical set in yellow gold.... just need to the DBTY bracelet in YG for complete set.

 

[MomInstyle]

Oh mominstyle, it looks beautiful! It looks so bright and white, and by now I'm sure I've made it clear that I adore that setting! It looks so lovely on you, enjoy your new bling!

No, you have not make it clear that you love the setting. LMAO! I concur.

 

[Rosebloom]

I think it looks awesome on your hand! And lucky lady to have those stunning bracelets in both white and yellow gold! Tres chic.

 

[Mayk]

Super fabulous!!! I love it!!

 

[lucyruth]

LOVE IT. I thought about buying it too lol!