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1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion)

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jtrend

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Both are GIA ex ex ex, both are priced the same, both have an overall HCA score under 2, both are SI2. However here are the notable differences, IMO:

1.01ct RB
J color
HCA: 1.7 in the Brilliant Ideal Cut Range
Crown: rather shallow at 31.5%
SI2: Internal clouds, wisps, and crystals are in the crown, not exactly eye clean, but pretty eye-clean in the setting.

0.92ct RB
H color
HCA: 1.6 in the Tolkowsky Ideal Cut Range
Table: rather large at 61%
SI2: Internal feather inclusion is in the middle of the table and not eye-clean at certain angles (though haven't seen what it looks like in the setting - will go back to the store and check tomorrow)

I originally took home the 1.01ct but after a while the yellow tint of the J is really starting to bother me. I'm thinking of switching it with the 0.92ct which is still available.

I don't want to "keep searching" for diamonds as this will be the 5th time I've switched it out of the setting (the store is being really kind and patient with me). I just want to know what you think between these 2 diamonds... thanks!
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

Are you back at Robbins?
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

No, still need help.
 

diamondseeker2006

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

Neither one. The first stone has waaaay too low a crown angle and the other is eliminated automatically for having a feather (crack) sometimes visible under the table (not to mention, 61 table). I'd also recommend looking for SI1 stones as you have a slightly better chance of finding an eyeclean stone and one where the clarity doesn't affect the brilliance of the stone.

Use these:

table: 54-58

depth: 60-62.3

crown angle: 34-35.0

pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9 (sometimes 41.0 will work if ca is 34)

I think I remember your earlier posts. I am wondering why you are continuing to go to local jewelers who just don't have a good selection to choose from.
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

I see you were looking at Whiteflash. This setting is great and looks like what you wanted. It's a known designer brand, too.

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/ritani-1rz2498-diamond-engagement-ring-3922.htm

Or did you buy the earlier setting instead of returning it?

Here's a great diamond:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3586209.htm

or this if that one is too much

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3571555.htm

I think you are making this a lot harder than it could be if you'd buy online. Honestly, not a single high end jeweler I went to when I was first looking at diamonds for an anniversary had anywhere near the selection of well cut diamonds compared to the PS vendors. In fact, not one even had a diamond with the parameters I listed for you above.
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

Please just pick one of the 2 I originally posted.
 

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jtrend|1449278154|3957668 said:
Please just pick one of the 2 I originally posted.

Seriously, both are bad. Please don't settle for a bad stone! You said the first one was too tinted and it has a really flat crown and not eyeclean! No way would I buy that stone. Then the second one has a 61 table and a feather (crack) under the table??? I can see you are tired of the process, but it is because of your choice to go to jewelers who do not have great diamonds. Please get her a nice stone. Don't just settle for one of these because you are tired of the search. You owe that jeweler nothing and you want the woman you love to have the best possible stone within your budget, surely! What price are they asking for those two stones, incidentally?
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

diamondseeker2006|1449277681|3957665 said:
I see you were looking at Whiteflash. This setting is great and looks like what you wanted. It's a known designer brand, too.

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/ritani-1rz2498-diamond-engagement-ring-3922.htm

Or did you buy the earlier setting instead of returning it?

Here's a great diamond:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3586209.htm

or this if that one is too much

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3571555.htm

I think you are making this a lot harder than it could be if you'd buy online. Honestly, not a single high end jeweler I went to when I was first looking at diamonds for an anniversary had anywhere near the selection of well cut diamonds compared to the PS vendors. In fact, not one even had a diamond with the parameters I listed for you above.

By the way that last link has a crown angle of 36. That's outside of the ideal range of 33-35. You obviously know nothing about diamonds. :snooty:
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

jtrend|1449278993|3957675 said:
diamondseeker2006|1449277681|3957665 said:
I see you were looking at Whiteflash. This setting is great and looks like what you wanted. It's a known designer brand, too.

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/ritani-1rz2498-diamond-engagement-ring-3922.htm

Or did you buy the earlier setting instead of returning it?

Here's a great diamond:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3586209.htm

or this if that one is too much

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3571555.htm

I think you are making this a lot harder than it could be if you'd buy online. Honestly, not a single high end jeweler I went to when I was first looking at diamonds for an anniversary had anywhere near the selection of well cut diamonds compared to the PS vendors. In fact, not one even had a diamond with the parameters I listed for you above.

By the way that last link has a crown angle of 36. That's outside of the ideal range of 33-35. You obviously know nothing about diamonds. :snooty:

And Whiteflash offers idealscope and ASET images which show how much leakage the stone has, so it is safe to go slightly out of the parameters IF you have those images showing minimal leakage. There is a little, but not enough to be a problem, but I'd ask to verify that. I would not consider going outside of the parameters I listed (34-35 ca) if the jeweler doesn't provide ASET or idealscope.
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

I am not thinking you really want my help at this point, but just to help you be sure their prices are in line, I will list some James Allen stones that are GIA EX and not AGS Ideal cut for price comparision to your stones. But not being totally eyeclean I will never recommend.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.91-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-782499

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.92-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-683365

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.91-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-630248

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.00-carat-j-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-749259

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.00-carat-j-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-686603

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.02-carat-j-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-748932

Hopefully the two stones are priced fairly in the $3k range. But if I had a budget of $3500, I would go smaller and get a higher quality stone.
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

I would echo everything stated above. I've learnt a lot on the forum from diamondseekers posts.
 

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jtrend|1449278993|3957675 said:
By the way that last link has a crown angle of 36. That's outside of the ideal range of 33-35. You obviously know nothing about diamonds. :snooty:
Why is anyone helping this person? :errrr:
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

Reading this in passing.

jtrend|1449278993|3957675 said:
By the way that last link has a crown angle of 36. That's outside of the ideal range of 33-35. You obviously know nothing about diamonds. :snooty:
To the contrary: Understanding your wishes, diamondseeker2006 has gone to some effort to stretch the window and find viable candidates for you.

In the above case she searched-for and located a candidate with a 36.0 average crown angle offset with a 40.6 average pavilion angle. That's a completely different story than 36 paired with (example) 41.0, etc.

So while it doesn't conform to the strict-guides that are parroted to newbies around here, she is exercising her knowledge of how different primary angles pair for performance, and then vetting that option with the supplemental light-return images provided by the seller.

Thus: Don't bite her hand too hard. She's really trying to help you.
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

jtrend|1449278993|3957675 said:
diamondseeker2006|1449277681|3957665 said:
I see you were looking at Whiteflash. This setting is great and looks like what you wanted. It's a known designer brand, too.

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/ritani-1rz2498-diamond-engagement-ring-3922.htm

Or did you buy the earlier setting instead of returning it?

Here's a great diamond:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3586209.htm

or this if that one is too much

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3571555.htm

I think you are making this a lot harder than it could be if you'd buy online. Honestly, not a single high end jeweler I went to when I was first looking at diamonds for an anniversary had anywhere near the selection of well cut diamonds compared to the PS vendors. In fact, not one even had a diamond with the parameters I listed for you above.

By the way that last link has a crown angle of 36. That's outside of the ideal range of 33-35. You obviously know nothing about diamonds. :snooty:


The ideal range is 34-35.

That is perhaps the most ridiculous, insulting comment of all time. You obviously know nothing about DiamondSeeker.
 

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Re: 1.01ct J SI2 RB diamond or 0.92ct H SI2 (table inclusion

diamondseeker knows what she is talking about. i've taken her advise and been very pleased with the results. in this case, i believe she is giving you the best advise you could receive.
 
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