1.01 (I) VS2 Round Cut * Please critique

[mgh]

Hello everyone,

Looking and browsing the net for something under $6,000.00 with a 6 sprong solitaire ring (white gold). Prefer atleast 1.00 ct.

Came accross this one at WF:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2681419.htm

Welcome any critique / suggestions, or other diamonds higher preferred, what to ask for from WF to help review the diamond. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Take Care

 

[stone-cold11]

Looks promising from the numbers. The AGS1 is due to the Ex symm instead of an Ideal symm grade, nothing to worry about. Probably ask WF to call it in and get the IS image taken. Also check if the medium blue fluor will result in an oily/hazy look, very small chance of that happening but no harm checking.

http://www.agslab.com/pdf_sync_reports/104045362011-PDQDFK.PDF

 

[ame]

I would want some good magnified photos to see the inclusions better and if it's eye-clean. But make sure you tell them your definition of eye clean first. According to the plot there's a few in the table and I'd be curious if they're dark or not, and the size, type, etc.

My definition of eye clean is pretty hard core--if I can see it at all with my bare eyes from any distance, angle, side, in any lighting condition it's not eye clean. I have hawk eyes and can see extremely clearly from 2" away, and that eliminates a lot of stones. I also won't accept a stone with a dark inclusion, ever, of any kind.

 

[mgh]

Thank you both for the insight, I have just requested WF to send me the above information. Looks like they need a $50 deposit to provide additional information since it is not in-house

 

[mgh]

any other stones recommended?

 

[centralsquare]

Here's one but you'd have to verify if it's eye clean: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1392630.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

 

[stone-cold11]

Here's one but you'd have to verify if it's eye clean: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1392630.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

Nope, pavilion angle is too shallow, will have obstruction issue. See all that black under the table when it should be white? That is obstruction.

 

[mgh]

well after i inquired with WF, the diamond i was pursuing mentioned in my first post has been sold. the search continues...

 

[stone-cold11]

This 2 could work. Ask JA for an idealscope image and if the stones are eye-clean if interested. Also, ask them to check if the stone with fluor will look hazy/oily.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1397926.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1311535.asp

 

[centralsquare]

Here's one but you'd have to verify if it's eye clean: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1392630.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

Nope, pavilion angle is too shallow, will have obstruction issue. See all that black under the table when it should be white? That is obstruction.

Thanks, very helpful!

 

[mgh]

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/8341/

what about this one?

here is the response i got from gog about a few questions

The sharpest magnified pictures are on the website but I did my best to take
a few more that maybe will help you. Keep in mind these pictures I took are
not meant to represent the light performance.

The inclusion is black however the location of this inclusion causes it to
be hidden in the facets. It is a good SI2 in the fact that it is not
blatantly in your face every time you look at the diamond. You have to know
where it is to see it without a loupe and hold it at a few inches from your
eye (from any angle). Does this description help?


thanks again everyone for your help

 

[ame]

If you can live with a black inclusion, it's beautiful but there's no way I could deal with that.

 

[centralsquare]

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/8341/

what about this one?

here is the response i got from gog about a few questions

The sharpest magnified pictures are on the website but I did my best to take
a few more that maybe will help you. Keep in mind these pictures I took are
not meant to represent the light performance.

The inclusion is black however the location of this inclusion causes it to
be hidden in the facets. It is a good SI2 in the fact that it is not
blatantly in your face every time you look at the diamond. You have to know
where it is to see it without a loupe and hold it at a few inches from your
eye (from any angle). Does this description help?


thanks again everyone for your help

I think it's really a question for you...if you can be comfortable with the inclusion there. Seems it's not very noticeable...but will you notice it? Will it bother you?

 

[mgh]

hey everyone, came across this one.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1392634.asp


or this one...

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1392630.asp

thanks

 

[MissGotRocks]

The first is more of a 60/60 stone - these can be lovely but a bit of a different look.

The second is one that had already been suggested but it has a very shallow pavillion angle which shows obstruction. That one would definitely be a no go for me.

 

[mgh]

what exactly is a 60/60 stone? any advantage/disadvantage with this type of diamond?

thanks

 

[mgh]

here is a image JA sent to me..any info you could provide would be greatly appreciated..what else should i ask for?

 

[CedarRapids]

what exactly is a 60/60 stone? any advantage/disadvantage with this type of diamond?

thanks

This is a good discussion of it:

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/60-60-proportioned-diamond

Take home message is that not all 60/60 stones will be desireable. Pay attention to Pavillion and Crown angles to start.

 

[CedarRapids]

here is a image JA sent to me..any info you could provide would be greatly appreciated..what else should i ask for?

A thread on interpreting an idealscope can be found here:

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/idealscope-interpretation.19550/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/idealscope-interpretation.19550/[/URL]

Basically, the white areas from 6:00 to 10:00 represent less bright areas. Instead of light reflecting back to the viewer of the diamond resulting in the sparkliness, it is reflected elsewhere. Since the white areas are systematically on one half of the diamond, it's kind of like a shadow being cast over one part of the diamond.

I'm new at interpreting these things and I can't say if I'm overinterpreting the white areas or not. Someone else might chime in here to corroborate or refute what I said.

 

[CedarRapids]

Under 6000 will be tough, but maybe not impossible.

Here are some thoughts:

1. Go a smidge under 1.0 carat and you'll see a price drop. Stick with GIA or AGS graded diamonds.
Here's one at 0.97 carat for 5000: http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=93779383&flag=dr
Not the best performing diamond, but it's only ~5000/carat

2. Take a look at Costco:
http://www.costco.com/Common/Category.aspx?whse=BC&Ne=5000000&eCat=BC|108|55926&N=4047549+5000015&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&topnav=

There lowest cost round with setting is 0.92 carat at 7500. It's a GIA stone.

The thing with Costco is they carry diamonds that are more colorless and higher clarity. Not necessarily needed for most consumers who just want eye clean and near colorless. But because they carry GIA stones and they are pretty much guaranteed to be eye clean with their higher clarity and prices are good, there's less anxiety, and good return policy. No choice in setting, but again, they fill a particular niche. Maybe something to consider.

3. What if you don't do a round cut diamond? You'll see a bunch on Costco. I'm not sure how to evaluate some of those though. Most to all are GIA -- not sure how to interpret them. Nevertheless.

4. Consider a <1.0 carat with a halo setting. Halo's enhance the display of a smaller diamond. Not sure if the price stays under 6000 since I'm not in the market for them, but there you go.

 

[mgh]

http://certs.rapnet.com/userfolders/25333/Certs/N6201.gif

this can be had for around $6000.

i used the HCA pricescope tool, and came out to a rating of 3.2

https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca


carat weight 1.01
color H
Clairty SI1
Cut Grade GIA Excellent

I will deffinetly make sure the diamond is eye clean first.. any advice?

 

[yssie]

1. http://certs.rapnet.com/userfolders/25333/Certs/N6201.gif
It's an SI w/ clarity based on clouds not shown - that's an automatic "needs professional appraisal" flag for me. Not because of eyeclean concerns, but because clouds (collections of pinpoints) that are too pervasive, too dense, too widespread can visibly detract from light return. Numbers-wise could be fine, need more info/scan/photos than the rounded, averaged numbers on the GIA report to make any conclusive statements one way or another.

2. http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1392630.asp
Ditto way too shallow pav

3. http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1392634.asp
Is this the one you got the IS for? Numbers and IS looks fine BUT overly thick girdle is reducing the price - you may find it unslightly from the side-view, and it's hiding weight (storing volumne) so what you've got is a 1ct that "spreads" like a 0.9ct face-up. You may as well buy a well-proportioned 0.9ct and save the money, since there is a jump at the 1ct weight mark... the overly thick girdle is the reason for the Good cut grade.

4. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/8341/
All looks fine

5. I like both of SCs picks as well, request IS and have JA evaluate eyeclean to your requirements
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1311535.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1397926.asp