Waaaaaaa.. Lorelei, !!.. thanks a lot for your help here... What''s her full name ( there might be many called Julianna
Will give them a call tonight. have a great feeling about this.
Many thanks for your suggestion !.
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Will give them a call tonight. have a great feeling about this.
Many thanks for your suggestion !.
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There actually used to be 2 Juliannas working at James Allen but now there is only the one and she is the resident gemologist so they should know who you mean. I don''t know her surname.Date: 5/7/2009 12:13:13 PM
Author: GemmaEdet
Waaaaaaa.. Lorelei, !!.. thanks a lot for your help here... What''s her full name ( there might be many called Julianna, and not sure they will let me speak to her directly, or they can ask her to check it for me...This sounds terrific !...
Will give them a call tonight. have a great feeling about this.
Many thanks for your suggestion !.
Let us know how you get on and what she says!
Came home too late last night, and my hubby is trying to do research on the H&A, something he never heard of ..
Well he''s lucky that I do 99% of the research on everything all the time..
Will call them tonight.
two more similar price ( well.. $500 more ) with H&A -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1236912.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1230955.asp
+ the very good feeling one from yesterday -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238137.asp
Questions:
1. do they provide anything to prove it''s H&A?
2. is it worthy to spend $500 more to have H&A, will I see visual difference ?
3. now i have 3 choices - which one is better ?
Can''t thank you guys enough for all the help and replies here !
Well he''s lucky that I do 99% of the research on everything all the time..
two more similar price ( well.. $500 more ) with H&A -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1236912.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1230955.asp
+ the very good feeling one from yesterday -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238137.asp
Questions:
1. do they provide anything to prove it''s H&A?
2. is it worthy to spend $500 more to have H&A, will I see visual difference ?
3. now i have 3 choices - which one is better ?
Can''t thank you guys enough for all the help and replies here !
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I will just fix the links GemmaDate: 5/8/2009 5:52:55 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
Came home too late last night, and my hubby is trying to do research on the H&A, something he never heard of ..
Well he's lucky that I do 99% of the research on everything all the time..Will call them tonight.
two more similar price ( well.. $500 more ) with H&A -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1236912.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1230955.asp
+ the very good feeling one from yesterday -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238137.asp
Questions:
1. do they provide anything to prove it's H&A? Really hearts images are needed in order to judge overall cut precison of a h&a diamond, however JA do not provide these.
2. is it worthy to spend $500 more to have H&A, will I see visual difference ? It depends, the proportions are the bricks and mortar of light return, h&a are more of a coat of paint. If you are comparing a top cut h&a diamond which shows a strong arrow pattern and also has excellent proportions to a lesser cut, then you will notice a difference. Conversely if you compare an excellently proportioned diamond which does not show h&a to a diamond which does but does not have great proportions then the non h&a could be the best looker.
3. now i have 3 choices - which one is better ?
Can't thank you guys enough for all the help and replies here !
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1236912.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1230955.asp
I would be cautious with the diamond above as I can see a small dark inclusion on the table, I would be concerned as I think you might have excellent close up vision Gemma that you might be able to spot it in view of what happened with the other diamond. So I would stick to SC's diamond or the first one above, but you would need to ask for an Idealscope for the first one.
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I don''t think the one I suggested is classified as H&A.
The 2 H&A, not liking the #2 stone''s IS, seems like some leakage and to pay more for some leakage, lower color, and very slightly smaller diameter? #1, maybe the IS is better, but overall specs and price is still not that great unless you want to go for a H&A?
JA does not provide proof for the H&A though, what we need is a hearts image, so.
I am still rooting for my suggestion.
The 2 H&A, not liking the #2 stone''s IS, seems like some leakage and to pay more for some leakage, lower color, and very slightly smaller diameter? #1, maybe the IS is better, but overall specs and price is still not that great unless you want to go for a H&A?
JA does not provide proof for the H&A though, what we need is a hearts image, so.
I am still rooting for my suggestion.
Date: 5/8/2009 6:04:43 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
I don''t think the one I suggested is classified as H&A.
The 2 H&A, not liking the #2 stone''s IS, seems like some leakage and to pay more for some leakage, lower color, and very slightly smaller diameter? #1, maybe the IS is better, but overall specs and price is still not that great unless you want to go for a H&A?
JA does not provide proof for the H&A though, what we need is a hearts image, so.
I am still rooting for my suggestion.
i dont ''have to have H&A, only if it''s really worthy that extra $500 and i can see huge different in terms of sparkling etc.
Date: 5/8/2009 5:57:58 AM
Author: Lorelei
Date: 5/8/2009 5:52:55 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
Came home too late last night, and my hubby is trying to do research on the H&A, something he never heard of ..
Well he''s lucky that I do 99% of the research on everything all the time..Will call them tonight.
two more similar price ( well.. $500 more ) with H&A -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1236912.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1230955.asp
+ the very good feeling one from yesterday -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238137.asp
Questions:
1. do they provide anything to prove it''s H&A? Really hearts images are needed in order to judge overall cut precison of a h&a diamond, however JA do not provide these.
2. is it worthy to spend $500 more to have H&A, will I see visual difference ? It depends, the proportions are the bricks and mortar of light return, h&a are more of a coat of paint. If you are comparing a top cut h&a diamond which shows a strong arrow pattern and also has excellent proportions to a lesser cut, then you will notice a difference. Conversely if you compare an excellently proportioned diamond which does not show h&a to a diamond which does but does not have great proportions then the non h&a could be the best looker.
3. now i have 3 choices - which one is better ?
Can''t thank you guys enough for all the help and replies here !
I will just fix the links Gemma
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1236912.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1230955.asp
I would be cautious with the diamond above as I can see a small dark inclusion on the table, I would be concerned as I think you might have excellent close up vision Gemma that you might be able to spot it in view of what happened with the other diamond. So I would stick to SC''s diamond or the first one above, but you would need to ask for an Idealscope for the first one.
That''s very true, Lorelei !...
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If you or your husband have the time, this thread and the videos provided by the Wink could be informative.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/peter-yantzer-on-diamond-cutting.113421/
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/peter-yantzer-on-diamond-cutting.113421/
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Date: 5/8/2009 6:19:51 AM
Author: Lorelei
Date: 5/8/2009 6:10:46 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
That''s very true, Lorelei !...
I just wanted to point that out!
For this one.. sounds both of you votes for DVS2 one, will make phone call tonight.. - to ask for the image....
Hopefull this time can be a happy ending.
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Date: 5/8/2009 5:57:58 AM
Author: Lorelei
Date: 5/8/2009 5:52:55 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
Came home too late last night, and my hubby is trying to do research on the H&A, something he never heard of ..
Well he''s lucky that I do 99% of the research on everything all the time..Will call them tonight.
two more similar price ( well.. $500 more ) with H&A -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1236912.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1230955.asp
+ the very good feeling one from yesterday -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238137.asp
Questions:
1. do they provide anything to prove it''s H&A? Really hearts images are needed in order to judge overall cut precison of a h&a diamond, however JA do not provide these.
2. is it worthy to spend $500 more to have H&A, will I see visual difference ? It depends, the proportions are the bricks and mortar of light return, h&a are more of a coat of paint. If you are comparing a top cut h&a diamond which shows a strong arrow pattern and also has excellent proportions to a lesser cut, then you will notice a difference. Conversely if you compare an excellently proportioned diamond which does not show h&a to a diamond which does but does not have great proportions then the non h&a could be the best looker.
3. now i have 3 choices - which one is better ?
Can''t thank you guys enough for all the help and replies here !
Sorry for my lack of knowledge here.
I thought strong arrow pattern gaurantee excellent proportions ? NO ?
.what''s benefit of having H&A then ? read somewhere there''s no hard prove it means good reflection etc.
hmm.. I know Ideal Scope shows good light performance, how about ASET ? they all look kind of similar to me.
My hubby copied ASET one in this AGS light performance report, and compare with H&A, slight color difference, but shape etc are similar.
I might need some kind of abc basic of difference among ASET, H&A, and Ideal Scrope images.
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ASET also shows light return in a slightly different way than IS. IS works good for rounds and OK for princess cuts. ASET works better than IS for fancy shapes and can show a little more detail about the light return.
Here is a good page that explains the difference.
http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance
Here is a good page that explains the difference.
http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance
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ASET and IS are for light performance. H&A is for optical symmetry, totally different things to compare. A H&A stone might not be performing well optically and an optically performing stone might not have the optical symm or facet length to qualify for H&A. ASET is similar to IS, just breaks down the light return area to direct lighting and ambient lighting returns, instead of just light return for the IS.
This is the tutorial for H&A optical symm,
http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-precision
This is the tutorial for H&A optical symm,
http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-precision
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No, an arrow pattern is not a guarantee of excellent proportions. H&A is a type of precision cutting resulting in perfect hearts and arrows in these stones. You may see hearts and arrows in a diamond which isn't the best performer if the proportions aren't the best, conversely you can find diamonds that don't show this patterning which are extremely beautiful due to their excellent proportions.Date: 5/8/2009 1:02:35 PM
Author: GemmaEdet
Date: 5/8/2009 5:57:58 AM
Author: Lorelei
Date: 5/8/2009 5:52:55 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
Came home too late last night, and my hubby is trying to do research on the H&A, something he never heard of ..
Well he's lucky that I do 99% of the research on everything all the time..Will call them tonight.
two more similar price ( well.. $500 more ) with H&A -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1236912.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1230955.asp
+ the very good feeling one from yesterday -
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238137.asp
Questions:
1. do they provide anything to prove it's H&A? Really hearts images are needed in order to judge overall cut precison of a h&a diamond, however JA do not provide these.
2. is it worthy to spend $500 more to have H&A, will I see visual difference ? It depends, the proportions are the bricks and mortar of light return, h&a are more of a coat of paint. If you are comparing a top cut h&a diamond which shows a strong arrow pattern and also has excellent proportions to a lesser cut, then you will notice a difference. Conversely if you compare an excellently proportioned diamond which does not show h&a to a diamond which does but does not have great proportions then the non h&a could be the best looker.
3. now i have 3 choices - which one is better ?
Can't thank you guys enough for all the help and replies here !
Sorry for my lack of knowledge here.
I thought strong arrow pattern gaurantee excellent proportions ? NO ?
.what's benefit of having H&A then ? read somewhere there's no hard prove it means good reflection etc.
hmm.. I know Ideal Scope shows good light performance, how about ASET ? they all look kind of similar to me.
My hubby copied ASET one in this AGS light performance report, and compare with H&A, slight color difference, but shape etc are similar.
I might need some kind of abc basic of difference among ASET, H&A, and Ideal Scrope images.
Jet posted my favourite tutorial to explain ASET and Idealscope, Idealscope is used mainly to determine light leakage or lack of in a diamond. ASET helps to evaluate the light return of a diamond which is broken down in to coloured areas. A hearts and arrows viewer is just that, enables you to see the hearts and arrows of a diamond.
I will also link you to a h&a tutorial to give you an overview.
http://diamonds.pricescope.com/hna.asp
Waaa.. Thank you all for the detail explanation !. it''s so much clear now.
I think i understand where I was stuck at : optical symmetry vs optical performance
I always thought if a stone has a good optically symmetry it will result in good optical performance .. NO ?
By the sound of it, it''s not the case !!?? confusing
AGI light performance grading report, what sort of image is that ? the ASET look-alike
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Hi All,
After a long wait, finally hear from them. I will receive the idealscope image in the next hour.
As for asking Juilianna to check eyecleaness of the diamond.
They reply '' Eye clean from all angles. Julianna had a hard time even seeing inclusions under magnification.''
When i asked if there are any comments from Juilianna, the lady said,
'' I assume because there were none to give, at least negatively. Remember that you are considering an ''ideal'' cut diamond, depth/table/symmetry/polish are right where you would want them to be for this shape. You should be 100% confident in the eye-cleanliness of this diamond. ''
...
Just this standard reply does raise my eye-brow.
Any thoughts ?
I wish I won''t loose the 20% ( tax, delivery ) in case it doesn''t work out.
After a long wait, finally hear from them. I will receive the idealscope image in the next hour.
As for asking Juilianna to check eyecleaness of the diamond.
They reply '' Eye clean from all angles. Julianna had a hard time even seeing inclusions under magnification.''
When i asked if there are any comments from Juilianna, the lady said,
'' I assume because there were none to give, at least negatively. Remember that you are considering an ''ideal'' cut diamond, depth/table/symmetry/polish are right where you would want them to be for this shape. You should be 100% confident in the eye-cleanliness of this diamond. ''
...
Just this standard reply does raise my eye-brow.
Any thoughts ?
I wish I won''t loose the 20% ( tax, delivery ) in case it doesn''t work out.
strmrdr
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dittoDate: 5/7/2009 5:42:09 AM
Author: Lorelei
Date: 5/7/2009 5:35:30 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
Any comment on the graphs ( don''t know how to read them? why the smaller one? coz of its color ?
Thanks.
I prefer the smaller one because of the angle ranges and it has an AGS0 cut grade. The GIA graded diamond means the numbers are rounded and the pavilion angle is on the steep side.
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