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jonu singhi

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Hi!
I am getting this stone directly from the manufacturer and exporting firm for diamond in Asia....
but since I am a first time buyer, I require some expert advice
Diamond:
Carat: 0.705
USD: 2834[$$)]
Clearity: VVS1
Color: F
Dimensions: (05.78*05.81)05.79
Total Depth: 60.3
Crown angle: 33.6
Pavalion depth: 42.8
Table Percentage: 54.7
Gridle thickness in %: 1.2
Finish: excellent
Propotion (Cut): excellent
Symetry: VG
Floursence: FLO
Lustre: VG

Is it a stone worth buying
Is it a good price or can I get this cheaper somewwhere else
Awaiting your expert advice

Jonu
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Pricing will depend on which lab graded it.
 
I wondered if you were located in India (what state?)

200 master stones?
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What is most important to you in a diamond? VVS1 is a really high quality and unless you feel in your mind that you want it be be that clean, you really don''t need a diamond with that high of a grade. In my opinion, you are paying a lot more money for something you can''t see.

Now about the cut of this diamond, I plugged it into the HCA scorer and it got all Excellents and a score of .6. Oh, and I didn''t know what to do with what you posted "Pavilion depth: 42.8" , I''m assuming this was a % right? Can anyone confirm that? Anyways, that''s how I entered it in HCA. But even though it got all EX scores it was still laying waayyy outside the ideal cut line. So after all that I''m not sure what to say about this stone
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But I do know that for that price you can get a bigger stone, a .75- .8 ct, if you are willing to go lower on color and clarity.
 
Perhaps the real reason they "grade" their own stones is to:
1. Save money.
2. Avoid an independent opinion they can't control.

I am skeptical enough trusting the big labs.
I would not trust a seller that "self grades".
There is a conflict of interest.
 
Perhaps the stone could be sent to ImaGem?
 

JulieN - Though I am an Indian, I am not based in India...the manufacturer has offices in europe and america...and since I dont want to advertise for manufacturer....you will have to look at the net for details.


Kenny - I truly trust manufacturer grading, since they supply to lot of big names in USA and Europe...........

Sunkist - As for going for high quality.......we Hindus (that’s my religion) believe (due to our culture and myth about diamonds) that a pure diamond (if wearing on the finger and the stone touches the body / skin) brings good luck and fortune else ....it may sound silly, but one really can’t change believes...but I don’t want to take risk and since it is for my wife as a gift for our new born baby......

For HCA score (pavilion angle), I will get clarification and will let you know


I just want to know if the price is right, as per the specification given....
 
JulieN - Thanks...I will sent it to IMAGEM for a confirmation of the specification...once I get the stone...
 
The reason why I asked your location is because there is an ImaGem in Surat, and Venus could send it there before you buy. If you aren''t located in India, then you could send it to any appraiser or lab you choose.
 
Date: 6/12/2006 11:10:09 PM
Author: JulieN
The reason why I asked your location is because there is an ImaGem in Surat, and Venus could send it there before you buy. If you aren''t located in India, then you could send it to any appraiser or lab you choose.
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Julie, you sure know your stuff. Are you a consumer?? Just curious.
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just a good memory.
 
http://www.jckgroup.com/article/CA387142.html/jck?pubdate=03%2F01%2F2004

DTC Publishes Sightholder List
By Rob Bates, Senior Editor
JCK-Jewelers Circular Keystone -- 3/1/2004

The guessing game is over.


The Diamond Trading Company has published its first-ever list of sightholders, featuring 84 names and three industrial clients. The DTC also will highlight the names in a directory to be published later this year.


 
Date: 6/12/2006 9:57:47 PM
Author: jonu singhi

Sunkist - As for going for high quality.......we Hindus (that’s my religion) believe (due to our culture and myth about diamonds) that a pure diamond (if wearing on the finger and the stone touches the body / skin) brings good luck and fortune else ....it may sound silly, but one really can’t change believes...but I don’t want to take risk and since it is for my wife as a gift for our new born baby......
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Hey Jonu, that''s a perfect reason for wanting high quality in a stone! I hope that this stone works out or that you find the perfect stone for your wife. Congratulations on the birth of your new baby!
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Since the manufacturer is part of De beers list, I think I have one more reason to trust them.

Just went to their website and saw they do sell the soltaires on the net.....but only in USA.
http://www.venus-solitaire.com/index.htm

Regards
 
Are sightholders allowed to sell to the public? I''m assuming you have some kind of "in," here?

Also, is this going to be a ring or a pendant?
 
Date: 6/13/2006 4:43:15 AM
Author: JulieN
Are sightholders allowed to sell to the public? I''m assuming you have some kind of ''in,'' here?


Also, is this going to be a ring or a pendant?
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De Beers is forcing them to sell to the public its the next phase of the SOC campaign.
 
verrrry interesting, strm
 
Date: 6/13/2006 4:43:15 AM
Author: JulieN
Are sightholders allowed to sell to the public? I''m assuming you have some kind of ''in,'' here?

Also, is this going to be a ring or a pendant?
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Quite a few sightholders have verticaly intergraded marketing strategies, (from buying rough diamonds all the way to marketing their polished production set in jewelry straight to the public.)

It does not make the diamonds more attractive in price...,

Take Daniel K for example...., it is owned (majority 51%+) by a DTC sightholder, so this specific sightholder sells directly to the public, right?

another example is DeBeers itself, they sell directly to the public also, but that doesnt mean their prices are more attractive....
 
Date: 6/13/2006 5:01:03 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 6/13/2006 4:43:15 AM
Author: JulieN
Are sightholders allowed to sell to the public? I''m assuming you have some kind of ''in,'' here?


Also, is this going to be a ring or a pendant?
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De Beers is forcing them to sell to the public its the next phase of the SOC campaign.
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Right now it looks like most sightholders are TOO unhappy with the Supplier Of Choice "campaign"
It looks like the next phase could mean other paths alltogether!!!!

I am hearing too many stories that sightholders are starting to "dare" not to purchase their upcomming sights!!!
Or pass it on to mega-manufacturers...
 
Totally forgot about Daniel K.

It was just curious because De Beers, Daniel K, Tiffany (?), all have public fronts. Venus doesn't seem to operate such a front.
 
JulieN- The rock is for the ring.

I got a broucher from manufacturer and it says and I quote

"Capitalizing on the booming e-commerce phenomenon, in 1997 Venus Jewel launched www.venusjewel.com. Our website has since become one of our powerful business tools, which has found highly appreciative customer acceptance worldwide.
Our 24-hour online stock offers customers the liberty of accessing extensively detailed information regarding goods available. Ample evidence of our customers'' trust on our Internet sales systems is the fact that about a third of our total sales is through the Internet."

PAVALION DEPTH
I inquired the manufacturer on the meaning of `pavalion Depth`, it is not an angle or percentage but its height from girdle height to Culet, so I suppose I cant verify the diamond using HCA (see my first mail on stone charateristics).

Thanks for all your help
 
Date: 6/13/2006 4:39:08 AM
Author: jonu singhi

Just went to their website and saw they do sell the soltaires on the net.....but only in USA.
http://www.venus-solitaire.com/index.htm
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Jonu, the site seems for the trade only (password protected). How can you get in?
 
No did not get into the site or even tried to log in.........not sure if site is B2B or B2C

Anyway I came here for advice on price......thats the only thing I did not get an advice on.

Thanks
 
Date: 6/13/2006 8:53:46 AM
Author: jonu singhi
No did not get into the site or even tried to log in.........not sure if site is B2B or B2C

Anyway I came here for advice on price......thats the only thing I did not get an advice on.

Thanks
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I dont think it will be fair to give you a price quote, every diamond has a world full of criteria for pricing...( remember every diamond is different from its counterpart.)

good luck.
 
Dont know if the site is B2B or B2C....... who said I logged into??

Anyway the discussion has turned more from manufacturer to my advice on diamond, which is not where I wanted.

So any advice on the price....
 
Date: 6/13/2006 8:53:46 AM
Author: jonu singhi

Anyway I came here for advice on price......thats the only thing I did not get an advice on.

Thanks
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Price looks pretty good, Jonu. You can easily do a price comparison for similar GIA and AGS graded diamonds listed by Internet retailers from the front page. As you can see, all the similar stones are listed above $3,000.

Don''t be surprised, however, that we are so intrigued how a consumer can buy a single diamond directly from a sight holder at the price well below retail.
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Date: 6/13/2006 8:53:46 AM
Author: jonu singhi
No did not get into the site or even tried to log in.........not sure if site is B2B or B2C

Anyway I came here for advice on price......thats the only thing I did not get an advice on.

Thanks
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Jonu, you asked about more than price.

Quote: "Is it a stone worth buying?
Is it a good price or can I get this cheaper somewwhere else
Awaiting your expert advice"

Further, the question "is it a good price" really depends on whether the diamond is what is represented. People are asking questions becuase they are trying to help answer your price question, but sometimes more information is needed. If it were an F by AGS or GIA standard, yeah, the price would be good. If it were an F by EGL Israel standards, the price potentiall could be not as great a deal. Do you see? People are trying to help, hence the questions.

People are just trying to help.
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Prisecope...since you are the administrator...could you delete the mails on website I mention.. never realised that they do not sell to consumer

Its a favor...since I know them personally.
 
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