Would this stone be a good choice?

[nuffsaid]

Hi all

I found the following stone available with an online retailer

. Report: GIA 2105840657
. Shape: Round
. Carat: 1.52
. Colour: F
. Clarity: VS2
. Table %: 61.9
. Depth %: 56
. Crown Angle: 34.5
. Pavilion Angle: 40.8
. Cut Excellent
. Polish: Excellent
. Symmetry: Excellent
. Culet: None
. Fluorescence: None

HCA adviser rates at 1.3

Without physically seeing the stone, would it be wise to buy it? I have been told that inclusions seem minimal but I cant say for certain.

What I find strange is that if something rates this well, why doesn''t an online retailer buy it and mark it for sale as one of the "special" diamonds?

Thanks!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/31/2009 3:33:54 AM
Author:nuffsaid
Hi all

I found the following stone available with an online retailer

. Report: GIA 2105840657
. Shape: Round
. Carat: 1.52
. Colour: F
. Clarity: VS2
. Table %: 61.9
. Depth %: 56
. Crown Angle: 34.5
. Pavilion Angle: 40.8
. Cut Excellent
. Polish: Excellent
. Symmetry: Excellent
. Culet: None
. Fluorescence: None

HCA adviser rates at 1.3

Without physically seeing the stone, would it be wise to buy it? I have been told that inclusions seem minimal but I cant say for certain.

What I find strange is that if something rates this well, why doesn't an online retailer buy it and mark it for sale as one of the 'special' diamonds?

Thanks!

The diamond has very ' safe' numbers so it should be a great choice, an Idealscope image would still be useful though if you can get one. Which vendor has it?

More on Idealscope below.

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance

Here is the report check for this diamond.

http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=2105840657&weight=1.52

 

[stone-cold11]

Numbers look good.

 

[nuffsaid]

do you typically find stones where the numbers are okay, but fail pretty terribly in real life?

also, if the numbers stack up to be quite nice, why dont places like WF pick this stone up, then brand as their ACA....or other similar vendors (sorry was just using WF as an example as I figured most people would understand that example)

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/31/2009 8:01:31 AM
Author: nuffsaid
do you typically find stones where the numbers are okay, but fail pretty terribly in real life?

also, if the numbers stack up to be quite nice, why dont places like WF pick this stone up, then brand as their ACA....or other similar vendors (sorry was just using WF as an example as I figured most people would understand that example)

Sometimes but I wouldn't expect any nasty surprises with this proportion configuration, an Idealscope image however would still be useful.

As to whether WF or any other vendor would want this diamond, there is no way to tell even with good numbers whether it shows top optical symmetry with superb h&a patterning necessary to be an ACA etc, also it is usual for the top cut branded h&a to have AGS0 cut grade as a matter of course, it is rather more complicated than it might first appear. Each vendor has their own standards for each diamond to have to meet to be worthy of being a branded diamond representative of each company, it isn't usual for them to buy cut diamonds in for these purposes anyway. You can sometimes see such diamonds being sold from vendors like WF as an Expert Selection or they can call in promising stones for evaluation for clients, then if the diamond meets their standards they can recommend it for sale and offer upgrade policies etc and various other benefits with the purchase.

The link below explains the process with Infinity on how their branded diamonds " are born"
which might give a little more insight into the process.

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=diamond-infinity-about

 

[nuffsaid]

Would love to get an IdealScope / ASET image, however would rather purchase off someone I found who can bring in the same stone (service and price seem better). Unfortunately they don''t do this type of imaging, only the online retailers in Australia seem to do so.

 

[nuffsaid]

Thanks Lorelei for you help

I also found this:

. Report: GIA 1102972125
. Shape: Round
. Carat: 1.51
. Colour: F
. Clarity: VS2
. Table %: 61.6
. Depth %: 57
. Crown Angle: 34.5
. Pavilion Angle: 40.8
. Cut Excellent
. Polish: Excellent
. Symmetry: Excellent
. Culet: None
. Fluorescence: None

HCA rated 1.4

This one has a supposed eye clean black inclusion. The first one does not I think

Which would be the better stone?

Apologies dont have the ideal/aset images, I assume they are both very close to each other though

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/31/2009 8:48:45 AM
Author: nuffsaid
Thanks Lorelei for you help

I also found this:

. Report: GIA 1102972125
. Shape: Round
. Carat: 1.51
. Colour: F
. Clarity: VS2
. Table %: 61.6
. Depth %: 57
. Crown Angle: 34.5
. Pavilion Angle: 40.8
. Cut Excellent
. Polish: Excellent
. Symmetry: Excellent
. Culet: None
. Fluorescence: None

HCA rated 1.4

This one has a supposed eye clean black inclusion. The first one does not I think

Which would be the better stone?

Apologies dont have the certs nor ideal/aset images, I assume they are both very close to each other though

Here is the report link for this one.

http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=1102972125&weight=1.51

They both look great, as to which is better there isn't a way to tell really without images, suffice to say both have definite potential. They could look a little different to each other looking at the proportions etc but both * should* be good looking diamonds.

 

[nuffsaid]

1.51 cert attached. I beileve this has the black inclusion

 

[nuffsaid]

1.52 attached

 

[stone-cold11]

Both numbers look good.

 

[stone-cold11]

Are both from Jogia or a local jeweler?

 

[nuffsaid]

Local

Which would you choose?

Thanks

 

[Fly Girl]

Hi nuffsaid - Your choices caught my eye because I own a 1.5 ct F VS2 and yes, it has a couple of small black carbon spots. The carbon is only visible with magnification, and without magnification the stone is completely clean from all directions. I love this size, color and clarity. I would expect these stones to be equally lovely and eyeclean. As Lorelei says, an Idealscope will help with deciding between your selections.

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 8/31/2009 9:38:08 AM
Author: nuffsaid
Local

Which would you choose?

Thanks

Can you compare both of them side by side? If so, go with the one you like best.

Else coin toss or go with the mind clean solution.

 

[nuffsaid]

Mind clean solution?

 

[yssie]

the one without the black spot - so you won''t be constantly worrying over it, trying to find it, worrying that someone else admiring the stone will find it before you (they won''t

)

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 8/31/2009 6:32:17 PM
Author: yssie
the one without the black spot - so you won''t be constantly worrying over it, trying to find it, worrying that someone else admiring the stone will find it before you (they won''t

)

Exactly...

 

[nuffsaid]

thanks for that guys, makes sense

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/31/2009 6:32:17 PM
Author: yssie
the one without the black spot - so you won''t be constantly worrying over it, trying to find it, worrying that someone else admiring the stone will find it before you (they won''t

)

Yssie makes an excellent point, thats how I would choose.