Will a diamond with an excellent cut hide color

[Diamond Confused]

Will a diamond with a cut rated excellent in an H color look yellow?

 

[stone_seeker]

Yes. H hardly has much color in any event

 

[neatfreak]

An ideally cut diamond in an H color will be just fine. The bigger the stone is, the more color you can see. And usually the worse the cut, the more apparent the color is too. But an H will never look yellow...it would be creamy at worst.

 

[asudesigner]

The short answer is probably not.

The long answer is it depends on the person, some people are color sensitive. But from what I have read on this forum the better the cut, the less yellow it will look. I think brilliant cuts also look less yellow than step cuts. For a ton of information and pictures regarding color check out the good old gold website.

http://goodoldgold.com/Color/

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/27/2008 7:08:53 PM
Author: neatfreak
An ideally cut diamond in an H color will be just fine. The bigger the stone is, the more color you can see. And usually the worse the cut, the more apparent the color is too. But an H will never look yellow...it would be creamy at worst.

Correct - bigger shows more.
Step cuts of the same coloured rough get a better grade thru the side in the lab than rounds, but face up most step cuts show more colour than the same graded round stone.

Cuts like radiant and cushion show more face up colour than really bright rounds.

 

[HariSeldon]

Date: 8/27/2008 7:08:11 PM
Author: stone_seeker
Yes. H hardly has much color in any event

I think stone_seeker was saying yes to your question in the title not saying yes it will show color. ideal cut diamonds can possibly face up white even in the K color range.. depends on the stone tho.

regardless of cut but depending on how color sensitive you are, you might still see some color in near colorless diamonds from the side or through the pavilion.

I''m pretty color sensitive and could see color in G, H and lower color even in ideal cut diamonds so I went with a F H&A. I''ve heard tho that once you get the diamond set its hard to tell the difference between D, E, or F even to an expert. has anyone else heard this/can verify this?

 

[dbsdiamonds]

True H color is a white diamond. Meaning GIA/AGS certed. Any yellow tinging i highly doubt is H color. Most people have to go 2 letters to appreciate the color transition difference in color.

On another note if the diamond is H color, if there is any casting of darkness then it''s H leaning to I, not H leaning to G.

Pretty simple...

Marty
CEO/Pres
Diamond Brokerage Service, Inc
www.dbsdiamonds.com

 

[Diamond Confused]

Date: 8/27/2008 7:24:03 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/27/2008 7:08:53 PM
Author: neatfreak
An ideally cut diamond in an H color will be just fine. The bigger the stone is, the more color you can see. And usually the worse the cut, the more apparent the color is too. But an H will never look yellow...it would be creamy at worst.

Correct - bigger shows more.
Step cuts of the same coloured rough get a better grade thru the side in the lab than rounds, but face up most step cuts show more colour than the same graded round stone.

Cuts like radiant and cushion show more face up colour than really bright rounds.

Well I haven''t seen the ring. It''s a 1.8 Tiffany Legacy. As I mentioned it''s rated excellent cut. Will it look pretty white?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/28/2008 1:26:20 AM
Author: Diamond Confused

Date: 8/27/2008 7:24:03 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/27/2008 7:08:53 PM
Author: neatfreak
An ideally cut diamond in an H color will be just fine. The bigger the stone is, the more color you can see. And usually the worse the cut, the more apparent the color is too. But an H will never look yellow...it would be creamy at worst.

Correct - bigger shows more.
Step cuts of the same coloured rough get a better grade thru the side in the lab than rounds, but face up most step cuts show more colour than the same graded round stone.

Cuts like radiant and cushion show more face up colour than really bright rounds.

Well I haven''t seen the ring. It''s a 1.8 Tiffany Legacy. As I mentioned it''s rated excellent cut. Will it look pretty white?

This is a cut that is more like a cushion / step cut cross, so it will probably face up more like an I.

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/28/2008 1:26:20 AM
Author: Diamond Confused

Date: 8/27/2008 7:24:03 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/27/2008 7:08:53 PM
Author: neatfreak
An ideally cut diamond in an H color will be just fine. The bigger the stone is, the more color you can see. And usually the worse the cut, the more apparent the color is too. But an H will never look yellow...it would be creamy at worst.

Correct - bigger shows more.
Step cuts of the same coloured rough get a better grade thru the side in the lab than rounds, but face up most step cuts show more colour than the same graded round stone.

Cuts like radiant and cushion show more face up colour than really bright rounds.

Well I haven''t seen the ring. It''s a 1.8 Tiffany Legacy. As I mentioned it''s rated excellent cut. Will it look pretty white?

Depends on the proportions...

Its a tricky cut as it incorporates step facets on the pavilion..., did you see it with your eyes?

 

[stone_seeker]

Date: 8/28/2008 4:52:49 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/28/2008 1:26:20 AM
Author: Diamond Confused

Date: 8/27/2008 7:24:03 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/27/2008 7:08:53 PM
Author: neatfreak
An ideally cut diamond in an H color will be just fine. The bigger the stone is, the more color you can see. And usually the worse the cut, the more apparent the color is too. But an H will never look yellow...it would be creamy at worst.

Correct - bigger shows more.
Step cuts of the same coloured rough get a better grade thru the side in the lab than rounds, but face up most step cuts show more colour than the same graded round stone.

Cuts like radiant and cushion show more face up colour than really bright rounds.

Well I haven't seen the ring. It's a 1.8 Tiffany Legacy. As I mentioned it's rated excellent cut. Will it look pretty white?

This is a cut that is more like a cushion / step cut cross, so it will probably face up more like an I.

I disagree. I've seen G's in cushion cuts that face up much whiter. In fact, in one case, the manufacturer I worked with sent it to GIA 3 times and the last grader rated it an F. So I dont know how you can say so emphatically how it will face up.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/28/2008 8:45:11 AM
Author: stone_seeker

Date: 8/28/2008 4:52:49 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/28/2008 1:26:20 AM
Author: Diamond Confused

Date: 8/27/2008 7:24:03 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/27/2008 7:08:53 PM
Author: neatfreak
An ideally cut diamond in an H color will be just fine. The bigger the stone is, the more color you can see. And usually the worse the cut, the more apparent the color is too. But an H will never look yellow...it would be creamy at worst.

Correct - bigger shows more.
Step cuts of the same coloured rough get a better grade thru the side in the lab than rounds, but face up most step cuts show more colour than the same graded round stone.

Cuts like radiant and cushion show more face up colour than really bright rounds.

Well I haven''t seen the ring. It''s a 1.8 Tiffany Legacy. As I mentioned it''s rated excellent cut. Will it look pretty white?

This is a cut that is more like a cushion / step cut cross, so it will probably face up more like an I.

I disagree. I''ve seen G''s in cushion cuts that face up much whiter. In fact, in one case, the manufacturer I worked with sent it to GIA 3 times and the last grader rated it an F. So I dont know how you can saw so emphatically how it will face up.

This example shows an emerald cut and radiant. Not a Legacy - but I hope it makes my point SS?
The pavilion side grading of this cut would probaly appear less yellow, and the face up would be more yellow - this is the reverse in a the case of a well cut round.

 

[stone_seeker]

Point taken. Very interesting.

 

[Allison D.]

Date: 8/27/2008 6:59:06 PM
Author:Diamond Confused
Will a diamond with a cut rated excellent in an H color look yellow?

The question is a bit too broad to give a meaningful answer. Variables to consider:

1. Well cut rounds mask body color better than average-cut rounds or fancies.

2. Who gave it the "H" color designation? Was it the vendor, or was it a grading lab? If it was a grading lab, was it GIA/AGS, or was it one of the softer labs like EGL Israel or IGI?

3. How big is the stone? Body color in a diamond is like paint on a wall - the larger the object, the more intense the color appears.

You''ve subsequently mentioned it was a Tiffany Legacy. It might show a creaminess or warmth to it; even if it does, that doesn''t mean it would bother you. I''d recommend seeing it in person yourself to make sure it''s what you hope for.

 

[Diamond Confused]

Date: 8/28/2008 7:43:49 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/28/2008 1:26:20 AM
Author: Diamond Confused

Date: 8/27/2008 7:24:03 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/27/2008 7:08:53 PM
Author: neatfreak
An ideally cut diamond in an H color will be just fine. The bigger the stone is, the more color you can see. And usually the worse the cut, the more apparent the color is too. But an H will never look yellow...it would be creamy at worst.

Correct - bigger shows more.
Step cuts of the same coloured rough get a better grade thru the side in the lab than rounds, but face up most step cuts show more colour than the same graded round stone.

Cuts like radiant and cushion show more face up colour than really bright rounds.

Well I haven''t seen the ring. It''s a 1.8 Tiffany Legacy. As I mentioned it''s rated excellent cut. Will it look pretty white?

Depends on the proportions...

Its a tricky cut as it incorporates step facets on the pavilion..., did you see it with your eyes?

No I didn''t... it''s a surpirse (but i know what he bought). I had wanted a G just because that''s what I had looked at in the Legacy and I couldn''t see color. I''m hoping H doesn''t show much either. It''s a 1.8 so not huge by any means.

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/28/2008 2:33:48 PM
Author: Diamond Confused

Date: 8/28/2008 7:43:49 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/28/2008 1:26:20 AM
Author: Diamond Confused

Date: 8/27/2008 7:24:03 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/27/2008 7:08:53 PM
Author: neatfreak
An ideally cut diamond in an H color will be just fine. The bigger the stone is, the more color you can see. And usually the worse the cut, the more apparent the color is too. But an H will never look yellow...it would be creamy at worst.

Correct - bigger shows more.
Step cuts of the same coloured rough get a better grade thru the side in the lab than rounds, but face up most step cuts show more colour than the same graded round stone.

Cuts like radiant and cushion show more face up colour than really bright rounds.

Well I haven''t seen the ring. It''s a 1.8 Tiffany Legacy. As I mentioned it''s rated excellent cut. Will it look pretty white?

Depends on the proportions...

Its a tricky cut as it incorporates step facets on the pavilion..., did you see it with your eyes?

No I didn''t... it''s a surpirse (but i know what he bought). I had wanted a G just because that''s what I had looked at in the Legacy and I couldn''t see color. I''m hoping H doesn''t show much either. It''s a 1.8 so not huge by any means.

I dont think an H will show much color..., the examples of images Garry posted above are aimed more towards elongated shapes, and since the "Legacy" cushion cut is squared..., the effect is minimized..., another good feature is the rather shallow crown facets of the Legacy..., when the crown angles are steeper/higher you can easier notice tint when looking at the profile of a Diamond...

Enjoy it...

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 8/28/2008 4:33:18 PM
Author: DiaGem
I dont think an H will show much color..., the examples of images Garry posted above are aimed more towards elongated shapes, and since the ''Legacy'' cushion cut is squared..., the effect is minimized..., another good feature is the rather shallow crown facets of the Legacy..., when the crown angles are steeper/higher you can easier notice tint when looking at the profile of a Diamond...


Enjoy it...

Right a square step cut has much shorter light paths than elongated step cuts.
As the picture Garry shows the emerald cut shows more color on the ends.
Comparing a square step cut would be closer but in general do have slightly longer light paths than a well cut round but much shorter than elongated step cuts or radiants.
The reason for that is that the bottom set of facets do more work in a step cut than the lower portion of a well cut RB pavilion and they are generally deeper.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/28/2008 2:33:48 PM
Author: Diamond Confused


No I didn''t... it''s a surpirse (but i know what he bought). I had wanted a G just because that''s what I had looked at in the Legacy and I couldn''t see color. I''m hoping H doesn''t show much either. It''s a 1.8 so not huge by any means.

If you looked at a fairly large G in the same cut then you should be OK