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Why is upgrading this time around so much more frustrating?

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Rough_Rock
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I guess the purpose of this post is to 'vent' and get people's suggestions on what I should do as a next step.

I purchased my engagement ring off of a Pricescope vendor in 2005 and upgraded in 2008. I am now ready to upgrade again. I am going from an under 2 carat round, G, SI2 GIA diamond and looking for around a 2.25 round G, SI2 GIA/AGS diamond. My initial budget was around $5k for the upgrade. I reached out to the original Pricescope vendor that I've worked with in the past and started sending him various diamonds that were within my range. I have discovered several things along the way:

1. I need to up my budget. If I seriously want to get an eye-clean G, SI2 2.25 diamond, it's more like I need $10k.
2. Along the same line as #1, there is apparently a jump in pricing when you go over 2 carats (boo hoo).
3. I believe in 2011(?), prices of diamonds in general went up.
4. I am finding it difficult to find SI2 eye-clean diamonds. Some of the GIA certs of SI2's that I've looked at are just darn scary. Even ones that looked half-way decent (twinning wisps) end up not being eye-clean enough.
5. If I wanted to stay closer to budget, I will have to drop the color closer to an 'I'.
6. Several ones that I've asked the retailer to look at have come back as: a) diamond is in Mumbai, India. Can't get that for you b) sold c) on memo to someone else d) unavailable or 'can't find that one in my diamond database' or 'another retailer must actually own that actual diamond because I can't find it'
7. In a recent situation, the Pricescope retailer did find a diamond I asked about. It was an 'I' color, strong blue fluorescence, HCA 1.1. It bothered me that it was an 'I' and had strong blue fl (even though I picked it out!). I went to 2 stores to find an 'I' color GIA certed round to see if I was comfortable with the color drop. I essentially couldn't find one. One store had a GIA 'H' and a GIA 'J'. H was ok, J color bothered me. A 2nd store had an 'I' GIA I1 clarity stone - gross! It was so poorly cut that I couldn't get a good feeling if an 'I' colored stone was acceptable to my eyes. Therefore, without getting a good feel of 'I' color, I am backing away from this color.
8. Now another GIA stone was found and is available: H, SI2, HCA 2.5 eye clean stone, no fluorescence. I feel like I would want a 'faint' or 'medium blue' fluorescence to counteract the drop in color.

What should I do?
1. Keep looking/up my budget to get the G, SI2 or a H, SI2 with some fluorescence? I'm kind of uncomfortable spending $10k to go up around half a carat.
2. Consign my existing diamond and go to a vendor that has a diamond that I'm looking for? As an FYI, my original e-ring I kept when I 1st got married. I never sold it for sentimental reasons and do wear occasionally so I wouldn't be without a ring. Also, I most likely would not be upgrading again (if that is even a possibility! I'll ask hubby in another 5 yrs) with the existing retailer because I wouldn't qualify per their newest trade-up policy.
3. Wait until later this month. Why? I will be going to the Diamond District in NYC later this month with some friends for a different reason. At that time, maybe I can find a decent well cut 'I' GIA colored stone to get a real sense if 'I" is acceptable.

I've been looking on pricescope and directly on the retailer's websites for diamonds for over 2 wks every day and I'm getting frustrated.

What would you do? Your thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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Couple of thoughts. You should try to get estimates on how much you'll get by selling the original stone. Prices have gone up as you found out so it may or may not be greater than the trade in value. But it may take a while if you consign instead of selling outright which usually nets less.

There's a jump in price when going over 2ct mark. So either up the budget or go down in color. It makes sense to take a trip to diamond district to see well-cut I color stones. IDJ is a great vendor who can show you ideal cut I stones to see if you're happy with the color. I have a 2.32 I/SI2 and it's white and eye-clean to me.
 
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What is your target budget?
 
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Well, if I got the H, S2 that I mentioned above, I'd be between $7 - $8k.
 
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Sorry, what I meant is that the revised budget is more like a diamond costing $18k - $19k.
 
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Wow, babymonster! I just saw your I-SI2 e-ring and it does look beautiful. Any fluorescence or no? It's pictures like yours and other pricescopers which make me waiver (can I go down to an 'I' or not?). I'm so confused...
 
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http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.27-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-373647 <--transparency issues?

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.36-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-37405 <--might not be eye clean

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R234-LY4B8T.... <-- great choice. Won't score super well on HCA but it's worth looking into if you're on a tight budget.

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R220-JNQN88 <--another worth looking into. Might not be eye clean
 
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Maybe if you can you should get the H and see if you like it or not. I don't get the burning desire to get a stone with fluorescence unless you are trading at somewhere like Brian Gavin because they make sure all of their stones that have it don't look like smuck. But from what you have indicated this is from a vendor calling in stones. Stones that are listed for sale on the world wide diamond data base with fluorescence are usually cheaper than stones with out it. Secondly a small number of them are negatively impacted by it so it could well be you end up accidentally buying an eye clean stone with less fire and sparkle particularly in the sunlight by getting a stone with it. The point I am making is I would never pass on a stone just because it doesn't have it....
 
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Sorry you're so frustrated, upgrade-me -- it's really hard to cool off and wait once you've *finally* made the decision to move forward and get something you really want! But in this case, I think your patience will pay off by getting you something closer to what you want at a price you're willing to pay. Everyone's color perception is different and I think that's the best place to start. You say the GIA J you saw is too tinted, but there are "low" and "high" J's, and varying degrees of yellow through brown tint that your eye may perceive differently. Add in the impact of fluorescence, the type of setting you choose (melee and what metal you're going to use), and it's pretty hard to predict on paper what you'll actually be happy with.

I guess what I'm saying is... wait til you can go to the Diamond District and see a bunch of J's lined up, and a bunch of I's, and keep moving til you find out where you're happy. James Allen's site is neat because you can see a side view of all the ideal-cut 2-carat I-color RBs, for example, and get a feel for the variability before you even go see some stones in person.

This is a big purchase and it sounds like the original vendor (who you've got an upgrade policy with) is having a hard time finding you a good upgrade option within your criteria. You'll either have to relax your criteria (but you need to wait for more information to know if that'll be OK!), change vendors (and wait for your ring to sell), or wait til something pops up in your target range. I think a little extra time spent now will pay off and hopefully you won't have to wait TOO long. Hang in there!
 
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Thanks for everyone's feedback. The vendor I'm working with now is already asking me "can I invoice you now" for the H, SI2. Why am I not ready? I guess I'm just not feeling it...I feel like I need to take a break.

After seeing babymonster's I-SI2, it seems like an I-SI2 is a possibility. The one I picked out in my original post was rated a 1.1 on HCA. I'm obviously very confused.

I think I'll tell the vendor tomorrow to hold off on the H, SI2. On a side note, the retailer wouldn't price match other pricescope retailers who also show the same exact diamond. As a result, I'll pay $1k more because I'm using this retailer...However, the pro with this vendor is that if I decided that I didn't want the H, SI2 diamond, they'd refund all my money back. Decisions, decisions...
 
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I'm looking at James Allen and like watching the videos. However, James Allen is not the retailer I'm using to upgrade. Will my online retailer be able to get diamonds from James Allen? When I try to use pricescope to find the exact same diamond (to see if it is 'accessible' by other retailers), the diamonds don't show up. Does that mean Jame Allen owns the diamond and my retailer won't be able to get it for me?
 
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Another vendor can probably get a diamond that JA lists.
 
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upgrade-me said:
Wow, babymonster! I just saw your I-SI2 e-ring and it does look beautiful. Any fluorescence or no? It's pictures like yours and other pricescopers which make me waiver (can I go down to an 'I' or not?). I'm so confused...
My stone doesn't have any fluor. Only you can decide if I color works for you so take a breath and wait to make a decision until your trip to the diamond district.

I think JA sources stones from various wholesalers so they are not exclusive to them. So your vendor might be able to get the same stones if they also work with the same wholesalers.
 
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