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I found a couple diamonds that look good:

$6085

Measurements: 6.86 - 6.95 x 4.04 mm
Carat Weight: 1.14 carat
Color Grade: I
Clarity Grade: SI1
Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:
Depth: 58.5%
Table: 59%
Crown Angle: 32.0°
Crown Height: 13.0%
Pavilion Angle: 41.2°
Pavilion Depth: 43.5%
Star length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Thin to Medium, Polished
Culet: None

Finish:

Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None

OR

$6559 (CA)

Measurements: 6.76 - 6.78 x 3.97 mm
Carat Weight: 1.10
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI1
Cut Grade: Good

Proportions:

Depth: 58.6 %
Table: 60 %
Crown Angle: 32.5°
Crown Height: 12.5 %
Pavilion Angle: 40.6°
Pavilion Depth: 43 %
Star length: 60 %
Lower Half: 80 %
Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted
Culet: None

Finish:
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None


Any advice would be great

Thanks
 
Hmmmm well the second one's numbers while worth looking at fall outside of both the GIA and AGS top grades. The first one falls into GIA but out of AGS.

I'd probably keep looking myself...or at least see them both in person and see what I thought. Both have weird combos of numbers that appear to do ok on the HCA but I worry about anyway...they are very shallow and have huge tables, which aren't usually great combos IMO.
 
The first is a BIC stone, it will probably have great light return but not much fire as a standard TIC stone. The second stone will be great for pendant/ear-ring but not that great for a ring as under close examination, the head of the observer will block a large portion of the return light source making the stone look dark.

Hope that help.
 
I''m having someone look at them from the online dealer. He''s going to check if they''re eyeclean and how brilliant in appearance they are.
 
Whats does BIC stand for?
 
Date: 10/24/2008 5:15:11 PM
Author: utor
Whats does BIC stand for?
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Brilliant Ideal Cut These stones are cut to give off more white light, less fire (colored sparkles).

If you would like a stone that has more of an equal mix of both fire and white light, you''d want a TIC, Tolkowsky Ideal Cut.

A tad more fire, less white light would be a Firey Ideal Cut. If you do a search on here for those terms, there are lots of threads!
 
So is the first stone worth purchasing? And should I be worried about the I color?
 
Date: 10/24/2008 11:55:38 PM
Author: utor
So is the first stone worth purchasing? And should I be worried about the I color?
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That depends on whether you like white light return or fire (rainbows).
 
I think I found a better one and it''s in TIC range


Measurements: 6.74 - 6.78 x 4.04 mm
Carat Weight: 1.13
Color Grade: I
Clarity Grade: SI1
Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:

Depth: 59.8 %
Table: 60 %
Crown Angle: 34°
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43 %

Girdle: Medium
Culet: None

Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None
 
I like that one better from the numbers. AND it falls into AGS ideal, which is great. Of course you should always confirm with your eyes or pictures, but out of the three that is the one I would gamble on first!
 
Thanks for the reply. I''ll request that they take a look at it for me. They had already said that they dont provide pictures. Don''t know if I''m allowed to mention the online dealer on here (bluenile).

Anyway...should I be concerned about I color? Should still be pretty much colorless right?
 
Face up should be relatively colorless if it is very well cut.
 
Is there any reasons you are not considering using the cut quality search tool here? Cause there is one ACA I VS2 stone that looks like in your size and price range if you do wire-transfer. And if going with these vendors, GOG, WF JA, etc... you could even go down to SI2 grade as long as it is eye-clean which you can do check by asking them. Just some more options to consider. Good Luck.
 
Date: 10/25/2008 12:21:09 AM
Author: utor
I think I found a better one and it''s in TIC range


Measurements: 6.74 - 6.78 x 4.04 mm
Carat Weight: 1.13
Color Grade: I
Clarity Grade: SI1
Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:

Depth: 59.8 %
Table: 60 %
Crown Angle: 34°
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43 %

Girdle: Medium
Culet: None

Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None
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Table is a little larger than we often see here, but some like the look of a well cut 60 60 so it could be a very nice diamond.
 
The prices I listed are in Canadian funds. Is there a chance that a diamond can be shipped across the border without paying tax or duty? These online vendors are reliable and trustworthy?
 
Date: 10/25/2008 11:17:03 AM
Author: utor
The prices I listed are in Canadian funds. Is there a chance that a diamond can be shipped across the border without paying tax or duty? These online vendors are reliable and trustworthy?
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The online vendors are very reliable. There are many threads on the duty issue...you do have to pay taxes, but no duty I believe. If you skirt this it's illegal, but some people drive across the border to pick it up and don't declare it anyway...but of course I am not suggesting you do this.
 
The last diamond I posted above is $6,480 canadian. I looked at the stones from the search engine on here , but the prices are in USD...when converting the prices are more. There''s a tax and shipping estimator on bluenile and the whole thing will come out to $7200 CA or $5635 USD.
 
There are some in the H SI2 range, they could be eye-clean, check with the vendors and see. Else you will have to go with BN or wait it out till new stock comes in or work with the vendors on on your budget and requirement, but the currency situation might get better or worse for you during the mean time. Have you consider that there might be some savings in terms of the setting with these vendors compared to BN?
 
Just FYI, Bluenile also has a Canadian website that theoretically would eliminate the import issue. Wasn't sure if you were searching on bluenile.com or bluenile.ca:

http://www.bluenile.ca/
 
Ya I''m on bluenile.ca. I think I might just go with the 1.13 ct. stone if the representative says it''s eyeclean. I''m too paranoid at this point to go with a SI2. It''s a long story but I''ve been working with a local jeweler to find a nice stone....I thought I found a nice diamond SI2 1.51 ct. ideal H etc. (gemscan report), they set the stone and everything, but I was worried so I asked for another grading report. They were hesitant to do so but eventually gave in and when the report came back it said it was a I1 clarity. So I didn''t buy the ring and I''m online now trying to find another stone.

I already have the setting I want (tacori 2620)...just need the stone. I feel like waiting a bit to see if the currency issue gets better, but the process has taken so long already (3-4 months)...just want to get it done. Does anyone have issues with the 1.13 ct. diamond I posted? It should have very good performance. The only thing thats turning me off is the escalated price compared to a couple months ago. That stupid jeweler strung me along and wasted valuable time.
 
So are you still dealing with the original jeweler? Is the original stone eye clean? If it is, just beat down the price with the jeweler to an I1 price I would say.

There is nothing wrong that I can see with this 1.13ct stone.
 
I don''t know if I should keep the original stone. I got the report from Harold Weinstein and it had a light performance picture and it didn''t look very good (a lot of white and blue areas). I was going to pay $8000 for it..how would the price change if it were an I1?

Harold Weinstein
7.26-7.30x4.57
carat....1.51
clarity..I1
color....G
cut......very good

depth...62.7%
table...56.2%
girdle..medium to slightly thick
cutlet..none
crown depth..16.1%
pavilion depth..42.7%

polish...very good
symmetry..very good
fluorescence...none


Gemscan
7.30x7.26x4.57
carat...1.51
clarity..SI2
color....H
Cut......ideal
symmetry..very good

depth...62.8%
crown...35.8 degrees
pavilion..41 degrees
table.....56.5%
girdle....slightly thick
cutlet....pointed


The 2 reports differ on a few things. What do you think about this stone? I had it ready to go , but the Weinstein report scared me off. Don''t think it''s a great diamond overall...but I purchased it when the prices were lower.
 
If the light report isn''t good, and the numbers don''t look good, I wouldn''t keep it personally even if it''s eyeclean.
 
Date: 10/26/2008 1:13:06 PM
Author: neatfreak
If the light report isn''t good, and the numbers don''t look good, I wouldn''t keep it personally even if it''s eyeclean.
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Ya I was thinking the same thing. Harold Weinstein saved me a lot of money.

I got a reply from bluenile. They''re going to check out the 1.13 ct. for me on monday. If they say it''s good, then I''ll think things over. I can''t see much wrong with it. Will the stone look large enough with a 6.74x6.78 diameter?
Just want my gf to be happy with it.
 
With the plummeting Canadian dollar, it might make sense to stay with a Canadian vendor. http://www.usacerteddiamonds.com/ is located in Thornhill, Ontario and they seem to have positive reviews on here. Plus, they can get you a GIA or AGS certed stone.
 
Date: 10/26/2008 1:33:15 PM
Author: CharmyPoo
With the plummeting Canadian dollar, it might make sense to stay with a Canadian vendor. http://www.usacerteddiamonds.com/ is located in Thornhill, Ontario and they seem to have positive reviews on here. Plus, they can get you a GIA or AGS certed stone.
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I believe he is working with the Canadian subsidiary of BN already.
 
Didn''t see the optical performance pic, so I cannot judge by that. But based on the numbers from HW, it should perform well in the FIC region within AGS0 region. I1 looks like it will cost around USD5100.
 
The jeweler I''m dealing with does have a selection of GIA diamonds. I just came across the 1.51 stone and thought it was a good deal..(gemscan certs stones come with a lower price tag). I''ll ask to see if I can get the price reduced..but she''s rarely budges on price. Can optical pics be inaccurate sometimes?
 
Didn''t read your entire thread so I missed that you were already working with BlueNile.ca.

Yes, gemscan certed stones comes with a lower price tag and for a good reason.
 
Date: 10/26/2008 2:31:30 PM
Author: CharmyPoo
Didn''t read your entire thread so I missed that you were already working with BlueNile.ca.
Yes, gemscan certed stones comes with a lower price tag and for a good reason.
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Should I avoid that stone all together then? The original price was $8000 CAD...what if I can get it down to $7000-7500 CAD? Theoretically the stone can still be SI2..even though HW is probably more accurate.
 
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