Which one of these 4ct diamonds looks the best???

[mommybuss]

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond_comparison.asp?track=dc_interactive_footer&filter_id=0


Would love any/all input!!

Thanks!

 

[Mara]

That link doesn''t work.

 

[solange]

I wish you would repost this with the pictures. As Mara said, the link does not show any stones.

 

[mommybuss]

That''s so wierd. Because when I cut and paste the link it works!? I''ll try to get it to work.....


Stock #:

LD00321101
LD01023098
LD01065920
LD01037309
Price:

$49,366
$60,579
$53,796
$54,050
Carat Weight:

4.25
4.14
4.07
4.09
Cut:

Ideal
Ideal
Ideal
Ideal
Color:

J
J
J
J
Clarity:

SI2
VS2
SI1
SI1
Polish:

Excellent
Excellent
Excellent
Excellent
Symmetry:

Excellent
Excellent
Excellent
Excellent
L/W Ratio:

1
1.01
1
1
Grading Report:

GIA
GIA
GIA
GIA
Depth %:

61.8
61
61.8
61.6
Table %:

56
59
56
57
Measurements:

10.43 x 10.46 x 6.46 mm
10.33 x 10.43 x 6.33 mm
10.24 x 10.29 x 6.34 mm
10.23 x 10.27 x 6.31 mm
Fluorescence:

Faint
None
None
None
Girdle:

Thin to Medium
Thin to Medium
Medium to Slightly Thick
Medium to Slightly Thick
Culet:

None
None
None
None
Price per Carat:

$11,615 per carat
$14,632 per carat
$13,217 per carat
$13,215 per carat

**This might be tooo confusing, and I don''t know why it came out like that......but there are 4 diamonds, the first line in each group is diamond #1, second line is diamond #2, etc.........any and all help would be GREATLY appreciated. We''re upgrading from a 3ct.....dh said I need a 4ct.....one for each of our girls!

 

[mommybuss]

Here are the GIA report numbers:

Diamond #1: 15296574
Diamond #2: 15752475
Diamond #3: 15856787
Diamond #4: 15786094

I''m not an expert, but I''m "thinking" based on the numbers, diamond #4 is the "best" on paper!? Am I right? ;P

 

[risingsun]

Hi Michele,
We need additional information:
crown angle
pavillion angle
Idealscope image, if available

Since these are GIA graded diamonds, the highest cut grade would have to be excellent, not ideal

Great news, that you're moving along with your upgrade

 

[surfgirl]

Hi Michele...I think it''s easier for people to "look" at the stone stats if you list each stone with all it''s stats in one chunk, rather than all the clarities together, all the colors together, etc. It''s too difficult to get a mental picture the way you''ve listed it...

 

[solange]

I would be very reluctant to buy a J color stone in that size without seeing it or, at the very least, having someone from Blue Nile discuss the merits of each stone with you. Do they have them in their inventory so that one of their experts can see all four stones and compare them. Are the SI's eye clean? There is really not enough information for anyone to give you an informed opinion as to which stone is preferable.

If you can narrow it down, perhaps Blue Nile can send you two of them and you can then take them to an appraiser for professional advice. Not all J stones will face up the same and a stone of that size is more likely to show color than a smaller stone.

I was very fortunate to find a 4.10 I, SI2 that is perfectly eye clean. The appraiser said it is a high I, almost an H, and it faces up white. You can see a bit of color from the sides but since I had it set very deep, you barely see the sides. I do not know how to transfer pictures but you can see it under my name in Show Me The Ring.

I bought it from Whiteflash and, after an extensive telephone conversation with Brian who is a cutter and an expert, I had it shipped to an appraiser where I could see it before I bought it. Several Pricescope vendors will send one or more stones to a reputable appraiser where you can see the stone or stones and determine whether a J color in that size is white enough for you and whether the stone meets your expectations. You are spending a large sum of money and you should be able to get something you will love.

 

[mommybuss]

That''s where I get confused....this is from Blue Nile, GIA diamonds, so why does the cut say Ideal?? I know GIA does Excellent???? I copied the stats from Blue Nile.......

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

You can get all the data here http://www.gia.edu/reportcheck/ by entering the report # and the ct wt.

I am time poor just now
but the 1st stone is a little deep in the pavilion crown combo for my preference.

And unless the inclusions are fairly bold on the plot I would avoid the SI2 because it has clouds.

You should do lots of research, and or send your 1st preference''s to an appraiser.

You should also know the market prices color harshly in big stones.
4ct E SI1 is 2x the price of J SI1 - and there is a reason. At least try to find a strong or very strong blue fluoro.

and in that size SI2 is always eye visible (unless it is cloudy and that is a disaster)

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/23/2007 4:07:16 AM
Author: mommybuss
That's where I get confused....this is from Blue Nile, GIA diamonds, so why does the cut say Ideal?? I know GIA does Excellent???? I copied the stats from Blue Nile.......

Vendors often use labels such as Ideal Cut, Premium Cut etc, which don't mean that a diamond is well cut. Each diamond has to be evaluated on it's own proportions and merits, as buying a diamond with an Ideal Cut label will not guarantee you a top performing stone. It isn't as easy as that unfortunately. I would do as Garry suggests, either do lots of research to narrow down the likely best performers, or send your top choices to an appraiser, so that they can help you determine which are the best. To my knowledge, BN don't provide Idealscope images which are very useful to help judge light performance, an appraiser may be able to help there too, this tool will help you find an appraiser in your area.

https://www.pricescope.com/appr_list.aspx

 

[Lynn B]

Date: 12/23/2007 5:55:47 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
You can get all the data here http://www.gia.edu/reportcheck/ by entering the report # and the ct wt.

I am time poor just now
but the 1st stone is a little deep in the pavilion crown combo for my preference.

And unless the inclusions are fairly bold on the plot I would avoid the SI2 because it has clouds.

You should do lots of research, and or send your 1st preference's to an appraiser.

You should also know the market prices color harshly in big stones.
4ct E SI1 is 2x the price of J SI1 - and there is a reason. At least try to find a strong or very strong blue fluoro.

and in that size SI2 is always eye visible (unless it is cloudy and that is a disaster)

Garry! Are you scaring the newbies again?!

Solange (above) just told us that her 4.10 SI2 is completely eyeclean (and certainly not cloudy), by both her AND Brian's standards. I believe her!

I think we will all agree that in that size stone, an SI2 "may likely" or even "may quite likely" or, hey even, "will probably..." be eye-visible. But obviously there are exceptions!

Didn't your mother tell you about using the words "always" and "never"?!

 

[DiamanteBlu]

I would suggest working with one of the PS vendors to find you a stone to fit your specs. There are lots of stones out there and it is difficult to sift through by yourself to find the great ones. The vendors know what to look for and can be your "eyes". You can then have their find sent to a local appraiser so you can see the stones yourself and make the final choice.

Just my $.02.

 

[solange]

I waited quite a while before Lesley at Whiteflash found this stone for me. I was hoping to get a slightly larger stone in a higher color. It came in well below our budget.

When I spoke to Brian, he said it was very rare to find an SI 2 this size that is eye clean and he highly recommended that I send for it. It is not cloudy. According to the appraisal from Just Appraisers, the stone is graded SI 2 because "the inclusions, while numerous are spread out without any of any significance."

I can easily see inclusions with a loupe but, although I know where they are, I have never been able to spot one with my naked eye.

However, if you are considering any of these stones, you should see them in person and then take them to an appraiser. I waited quite a while before an eye clean SI stone came along in a size I was considering.

 

[mommybuss]

Thank you very much for all of your responses. I put all the info from the 4 diamonds into the "cut advisor" from the tool bar and the last one came out Excellent in all but 1 area and that one came out very good.

I am now working with Lesley from Whiteflash.....she responded to an email within an hour with 4 diamonds.....very impressed with their customer service!!

Thanks again....hopefully I''ll be sharing a new diamond with all of you soon......;P

 

[Mara]

lol Lynn...yep Garry is being a bad boy!!

i vaguely recall seeing one of the WF 5c stones last year that was something like an I SI2 i believe...anyway it was SO eye clean and we were AMAZED at that. grading being what it is, it could have been an SI1 with another grader...it''s so subjective.

can''t wait to see the new stone mb!!! we love ourselves some big bling around here...hehe.

 

[Perfect Diamond]

I would have to say that you stick to G-VS2 Excellent Cut Round Brilliant with a Negligible to Faint Blue Fluorescence and you can save up to 30% versus None Fluorescent stones.

A G color with a Faint blue fluorescence will look like a D colorless diamond. VS2 will still appear Flawless and Excellent cut should be of paramount priority. This specifications guarantees a superb diamond that you will not regret.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 12/23/2007 1:11:13 PM
Author: Mara
lol Lynn...yep Garry is being a bad boy!!

i vaguely recall seeing one of the WF 5c stones last year that was something like an I SI2 i believe...anyway it was SO eye clean and we were AMAZED at that. grading being what it is, it could have been an SI1 with another grader...it''s so subjective.

can''t wait to see the new stone mb!!! we love ourselves some big bling around here...hehe.

ahem! cough ahem!

If Garry is such a bad boy, why are you all so amazed when we come across an SI1 that is eye clean?

Dare I type it
Duh!

Now I am a bad boy

but as a B&M operator who is 25% up for December sales over last year, and having just had a drop or 2 of bubbly, I can be bad if I want to

 

[Ellen]

Date: 12/23/2007 10:26:13 PM
Author: Perfect Diamond
I would have to say that you stick to G-VS2 Excellent Cut Round Brilliant with a Negligible to Faint Blue Fluorescence and you can save up to 30% versus None Fluorescent stones.

A G color with a Faint blue fluorescence will look like a D colorless diamond. VS2 will still appear Flawless and Excellent cut should be of paramount priority. This specifications guarantees a superb diamond that you will not regret.

Hi PD,

I'm not sure where you heard this, but I would disagree. First, I have a very well cut G with faint flo, and it still looks like a G.

Faint won't do anything for a diamond. And I have heard the true experts on here say that it takes strong to very strong to cause a diamond to appear whiter/brighter. (and since one of said experts has posted in this thread, possibly he can verify?) Also, I don't think faint will lower the price any, at least, it didn't with mine.

I would definitely agree with you that chances are very likely that VS2 will appear flawless to the naked eye, and a great cut is paramount!

 

[solange]

There is a big jump in price between a 4 carat J SI and a four carat G VS2. It really depends on how much money you want to wear on your finger.

 

[mommybuss]

I totally agree Solange. We DO have 4 kids to think about, and even though we could "afford" a GREAT diamond, I''m not looking for perfect. I just want to find a diamond that I fall in love with.

Thanks for everybody''s input so far.....if anybody finds/sees a 4ct, G-J color and excellent cut please let me know!! ;P

 

[Lynn B]

Date: 12/24/2007 4:30:23 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/23/2007 1:11:13 PM
Author: Mara
lol Lynn...yep Garry is being a bad boy!!

i vaguely recall seeing one of the WF 5c stones last year that was something like an I SI2 i believe...anyway it was SO eye clean and we were AMAZED at that. grading being what it is, it could have been an SI1 with another grader...it's so subjective.

can't wait to see the new stone mb!!! we love ourselves some big bling around here...hehe.

ahem! cough ahem!

If Garry is such a bad boy, why are you all so amazed when we come across an SI1 that is eye clean?

Dare I type it
Duh!

Now I am a bad boy

but as a B&M operator who is 25% up for December sales over last year, and having just had a drop or 2 of bubbly, I can be bad if I want to

OK Garry! Enough bubbly for you, you obviously aren't seeing straight!!!

First of all, dare I type it?!

None of us (except maybe the nervous noobies) are ever "amazed at an eyeclean SI1 stone."

Second of all, the stone Mara was talking about in her post was a FIVE (5) CARAT, SI2 (two!) stone. And yes, she was "amazed" because it was "SO eyeclean"... meaning (IMVHO only, of course!

) that she couldn't see a single blasted thing -- nothing, nada, ZIP! -- under close scrutiny in a loose diamond of that size.

So whatd'ya say? Wanna at least TRY to stop "skeering" the poor nervous noobs?!

Now... ... bo to ged!!!!

 

[Steel]

4 carat, shmore carat; Get on my finger! [Last part to be said in the voice of Fat Ba$tard from Austin Powers hahahhah]

 

[solange]

Mommybuss,
You really have to let your eyes decide for you which color is white enough. Mara, who has just received awards from Pricescope for all the help she has given, has a J, SI 1 that is, if I recall, over 2 1/2 carats and is very happy with it. The right J stone might do for you too. Only you can decide.

If you are near a Tiffany or other high end jeweler, you might want to look at well cut stones in different colors and see what suits you. The lowest color Tffany carries is an I.

I think your best bet is to discuss with one of the Pricescope vendors which stone or stones might meet your expectations because it is difficult to judge just by paper.

I am very happy with my I SI 2. If you can find an eye clean SI stone, you will save quite a bit of money.
I wish you luck whatever you decide. I hope Lesley was able to suggest a stone or stones that might meet your requirements. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.