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I am trying to compare two diamonds, they are both about the same price. Just trying to get some of the expert opinion on which is better

1.20/VVS2/F/Triple X

Diamond #1 has a HCA score of 1.9 has cloud/pinpoint/feathers
Diamond #2 has a HCA score of 5 has only 1 cloud

Please see attached report, which one would you pick?

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Try #1.
 
JulieN|1369945421|3456495 said:
Try #1.
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Why? Does it worth more? I would like to buy one of these two but buying it over the internet is not that easy because I can't look at it myself.

Thanks.
 
Proportions predict a better stone on the first one. Can you ask them for a picture?
 
I absolutely agree with JulieN. I wouldn't consider #2 . I also second asking for actual images and IS for the first stone.
 
Christina...|1369947481|3456526 said:
I absolutely agree with JulieN. I wouldn't consider #2 . I also second asking for actual images and IS for the first stone.
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Hi Christina and Julie,

I am assuming Proportions is much more important than Inclusion since the other one only has one small could

Will Diamond #1 return more light because it is more proportion?

Thanks
 
You have no worries about VVS2 clarity.

#1 should have better light return.
 
Both are equally mediocre.
 
diamondloveaffair|1369959839|3456606 said:
Both are equally mediocre.
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I wouldn't say that.....Can you get an ideal scope image or at least a picture of the stone?
 
I think you can get a better stone, or at the least an equal one. Personally I think VVS clarity is overkill in the clarity department - unless you are talking SI3/I1 etc the chances of the clarity affecting the performance are slim. You are literally paying (a lot) for something you cannot see that has no bearing on the light performance (cut quality) of the stones.

I'd drop down in the clarity department - VS is safe 99% of the time, and most SI's are great as well. I personally have 3 SI1's that are eye clean, have no structural integrity issues, and the inclusions have no effect on the performance of the stones - therefore they are "mind clean" to me. VS and SI clarities can get you a lot more carat weight for the same cost ( you'd be paying for something you can see - size - vs something you can't see).

Concentrate on cut quality. Light performance is everything - a well cut stone will look larger, brighter, more "sparkly", and whiter. If you are open to buying online, try looking at vendors that actually provide you with the images you NEED to be able to evaluate the stone (Whiteflash, Brian Gavin, Good Old Gold, James Allen, etc).
 
ecf8503|1369965184|3456642 said:
I think you can get a better stone, or at the least an equal one. Personally I think VVS clarity is overkill in the clarity department - unless you are talking SI3/I1 etc the chances of the clarity affecting the performance are slim. You are literally paying (a lot) for something you cannot see that has no bearing on the light performance (cut quality) of the stones.

I'd drop down in the clarity department - VS is safe 99% of the time, and most SI's are great as well. I personally have 3 SI1's that are eye clean, have no structural integrity issues, and the inclusions have no effect on the performance of the stones - therefore they are "mind clean" to me. VS and SI clarities can get you a lot more carat weight for the same cost ( you'd be paying for something you can see - size - vs something you can't see).

Concentrate on cut quality. Light performance is everything - a well cut stone will look larger, brighter, more "sparkly", and whiter. If you are open to buying online, try looking at vendors that actually provide you with the images you NEED to be able to evaluate the stone (Whiteflash, Brian Gavin, Good Old Gold, James Allen, etc).
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I agree. You are also paying a premium for the F color. you could save more or buy a larger stone by dropping to a G and there would be very very little color difference. I actually cant see the difference between an F and a G in a well cut stone.
 
You are correct, I can't see the difference between F and G as well.


Here is an image for Diamond 1, what do you think in term of light return. Is the proportions within the Heart and Arrow.

Thanks

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Light performance is very difficult (near impossible?) to predict from a still picture in an uncontrolled environment with no comparison. Take a look at JamesAllen.com to see what i mean--even at slight tilt, a diamond will completely change character and what looked like a dark area will now be light and vice versa. IdealScope would be most helpful. Can you request one?
 
It looks fine.
 
It looks good, but the best way to get a picture of a diamond to determine the light return would be to take the picture by a window in daylight....you want a lot of white. It looks pretty good though.
 
I would actually suggest that you view the stone in many different lighting environments. Well cut diamonds tend to go dark in direct lighting environments and limiting yourself to any one lighting condition wouldn't be helpful. I'm not sure if you have the diamond in hand yet, but if so, check it out in the sun, on a cloudy day, under a shady tree, in office lighting, at your local big box store, and of course in whatever lighting condition you find yourself in most of the time. Look to see that it is bright from side to side with no visible dark areas, that there is a nice combination of white and colored light return etc. If you have the opportunity compare it side by side with a stone that is known to have ideal light performance. In a day or two you will begin to see what type of personality the stone has and if it will make you happy. :))
 
Thank you everyone, will let you know when I get the diamond.
 
Hi,
I got the Ideal Scope Image, does this look like on the lower end of excellent for light return?

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It appears to have leakage under the table. Did a gemologist assess it for you and give you an opinion?
 
that's hardly any leakage and there are plenty out there that are AGS certified with far more leakage!!! It looks great! If it appeals to you, then I'd go with it! I wouldn't worry about it, you won't notice IRL....If you're so concerned, maybe they could redo the ideal scope? May be worth asking?
 
how do you know that he won't notice it in real life? This is why I asked if he was able to get a gemological assessment....again they would be in a better position than both YOU and I of determining if the stone has any performance issues!
 
I would like to get the diamond appraised however I don't know if they look into the detail such as what we are talking about. Aset/Ideal Scope/H&A and so on.....

How did you know it was leaking under the table, was it because of the white area (i am still learning)

Just a rough judgment, assuming if you have to buy this diamond and you only have IS image and GIA report, how much are you willing to pay for? I posted the GIA report for Diamond 1 in my first post

Do you know of any high reputation gemologist in Los Angeles Area?

Thanks
 
xyzinfo|1370382291|3458998 said:
I would like to get the diamond appraised however I don't know if they look into the detail such as what we are talking about. Aset/Ideal Scope/H&A and so on.....

How did you know it was leaking under the table, was it because of the white area (i am still learning)

Just a rough judgment, assuming if you have to buy this diamond and you only have IS image and GIA report, how much are you willing to pay for? I posted the GIA report for Diamond 1 in my first post

Do you know of any high reputation gemologist in Los Angeles Area?

Thanks
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I think an appraisal is an excellent idea, first you want to make sure that the report and the stone match, and second you will need an appraisal for insurance reasons. Just be clear about what you want from the appraisal, for example, in some cases the value is greatly inflated which you don't want because it will only cost you more in insurance premiums, second, you want to be sure that the stone matches the report. If you are interested in hearing an appraisers opinion of the cut quality you can certainly ask that, a knowledgeable one should be able to tell you if there are any concerns, lazy facets, leakage, etc. Under the resources tab above you will find a list of appraisers, I'm sure that there will be one in your area. :))

As far as the IS and leakage...it's true that not all leakage is noticeable to the naked eye. These images are taken with one lens and we see things in stereo vision (two eyes) so the way we interpret light and the way a camera does is different. This is also a static image of the stone, it doesn't give us any information on how the stone performs when it is in motion. It also looks as though the stone is slightly tilted in the photo, whether or not adjusting the stone would improve or worsen the IS, I'm not sure. These are all reasons that I asked if a gemologist was able to assess the stone for you. I personally would want a bit more information or would want to see the stone in person. It sounds as though you have the stone with you right now? What do you think? Have you viewed the stone in a variety of lighting environments? Does it look bright and lively under the table? Is it bright from side to side? Are there any facets that look dark all the time? If you do have the stone with you and you are concerned, then I would suggest viewing the stone side by side with another stone with known ideal light performance. Many here suggest finding an Hearts on Fire vendor and doing a side by side comparison.
 
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