Where to find Princess with Idealscope?

[thebigad12]

so with all the research done on this site...i realize that i need to find a jeweler with an idealscope image to truly get a sparkling princess cut....so far though...i can only find SuperbCERT diamonds....is that the only one that does this? of the SuperbCERT diamonds i found - none of them had medium girdles...which according to an earlier question from me is what i should be looking for...Also - why are the AGS-O diamonds listed on Exceldiamonds so much cheaper for similar specs?

here are my specs: E-F, VVS2-VS2, .5-.6ct, medium girdle, table% below 68%, depth% below 75%.

I am also looking to spend around $1500. Is that unreasonable for a really sparkling diamond? Which online retailer can give me the best deal? I asked Diamondsonweb.com, but they do not do Idealscope images. Only megascope reports.

Let me know. Thanks.

 

[mrssalvo]

Hi thebigad..Goodoldgold has the diamxray and whiteflash has idealscope images of their princess cut stones on their websites.

 

[thebigad12]

Thanks, but with those specs Goodoldgold has zero diamonds and Whiteflash (expert selection) has one - J color.

 

[mrssalvo]

sounds like the size you want is slim pickins right now. I''d suggest calling a couple of vendors and tell them exactly what you are looking for, budget etc and let them see what they can do for you. I personally think of Good old Gold when it comes to fancy shapes so I''d probably call and speak with them first. You can also try Bill at Ice mine. He''s got the new AGS0 princess stones and might have something in your size range in stock. I just posted one of his stones in another thread and they are gorgeous...

 

[thebigad12]

Thanks. I sent a request at Icemine.

What about my other question. Any thoughts?

--> Also - why are the AGS-O diamonds listed on Exceldiamonds so much cheaper for similar specs? (compared to the superbCERT)

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 7/12/2006 10:45:23 AM
Author: thebigad12
Thanks. I sent a request at Icemine.


What about my other question. Any thoughts?


--> Also - why are the AGS-O diamonds listed on Exceldiamonds so much cheaper for similar specs? (compared to the superbCERT)

hmm..i always thought exceldiamonds and superbcert were one in the same..when I click on supebcert diamonds it takes me to the exceldiamonds webpage...

 

[thebigad12]

Date: 7/12/2006 10:51:29 AM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 7/12/2006 10:45:23 AM
Author: thebigad12
Thanks. I sent a request at Icemine.


What about my other question. Any thoughts?


--> Also - why are the AGS-O diamonds listed on Exceldiamonds so much cheaper for similar specs? (compared to the superbCERT)

hmm..i always thought exceldiamonds and superbcert were one in the same..when I click on supebcert diamonds it takes me to the exceldiamonds webpage...

I see it like this -- ExcelDiamonds is the parent company. They carry two different Princess brands - (1) SuperbCERT and (2) AGS-O Ideal. Between these two, there seems to be a huge price discrepancy for similar specs.

 

[mrssalvo]

why not call and ask them??

 

[Regular Guy]

I've found SuperbCert's site to be difficult to read, and there's a need to double check, and read carefully. SuperBcert & Excel, one reference. The AGS0 I saw this AM was premium priced to their others. But, if you select AGS0 on the left, and get a big list of options...most are not actually AGS0. Only the ones specifically marked on the option you're looking at, saying AGS0, is AGS0. Many are listed diamonds, and not in house, nicely described, but listed nonetheless.

 

[thebigad12]

Yes, their search tools are crappy. I usually click on superbCERT/AGS-O and then scroll through to keep it confined to those categories.

I supposed I could call them, but was wondering if anyone knew offhand.

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 7/12/2006 11:16:26 AM
Author: thebigad12
Yes, their search tools are crappy. I usually click on superbCERT/AGS-O and then scroll through to keep it confined to those categories.

I supposed I could call them, but was wondering if anyone knew offhand.

My point is that...I don''t think that actually works. Having selected AGS0 on the left, most options that come up are, I believe, actually not this. When a specific diamond comes up with the description on that diamond saying it is AGS0, only then is it.

Check me.

 

[thebigad12]

Date: 7/12/2006 11:25:25 AM
Author: Regular Guy

Date: 7/12/2006 11:16:26 AM
Author: thebigad12
Yes, their search tools are crappy. I usually click on superbCERT/AGS-O and then scroll through to keep it confined to those categories.

I supposed I could call them, but was wondering if anyone knew offhand.

My point is that...I don''t think that actually works. Having selected AGS0 on the left, most options that come up are, I believe, actually not this. When a specific diamond comes up with the description on that diamond saying it is AGS0, only then is it.

Check me.

I clicked on AGS-O and that''s all that came up. If I put in some search parameters at the bottom, it would mess it up. For example, I scrolled through and found this - http://www.exceldiamonds.com/diamond/24575.html. Now, why would an ideal diamond of .53ct be listed for around $1000???

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 7/12/2006 11:31:18 AM
Author: thebigad12

Date: 7/12/2006 11:25:25 AM
Author: Regular Guy

Date: 7/12/2006 11:16:26 AM
Author: thebigad12
Yes, their search tools are crappy. I usually click on superbCERT/AGS-O and then scroll through to keep it confined to those categories.

I supposed I could call them, but was wondering if anyone knew offhand.

My point is that...I don''t think that actually works. Having selected AGS0 on the left, most options that come up are, I believe, actually not this. When a specific diamond comes up with the description on that diamond saying it is AGS0, only then is it.

Check me.

I clicked on AGS-O and that''s all that came up. If I put in some search parameters at the bottom, it would mess it up. For example, I scrolled through and found this - http://www.exceldiamonds.com/diamond/24575.html. Now, why would an ideal diamond of .53ct be listed for around $1000???

Thanks for checking me, and you''re right. Re the premium for his options...no good explanation, except that he''s paying himself for services he uniquely provides for these. Doesn''t seem prudent, based on the overall valuing of the AGS options, I don''t think.

 

[nobly]

Date: 7/12/2006 11:31:18 AM
Author: thebigad12

Date: 7/12/2006 11:25:25 AM

Author: Regular Guy

Date: 7/12/2006 11:16:26 AM

Author: thebigad12

Yes, their search tools are crappy. I usually click on superbCERT/AGS-O and then scroll through to keep it confined to those categories.



I supposed I could call them, but was wondering if anyone knew offhand.

My point is that...I don''t think that actually works. Having selected AGS0 on the left, most options that come up are, I believe, actually not this. When a specific diamond comes up with the description on that diamond saying it is AGS0, only then is it.


Check me.

I clicked on AGS-O and that''s all that came up. If I put in some search parameters at the bottom, it would mess it up. For example, I scrolled through and found this - http://www.exceldiamonds.com/diamond/24575.html. Now, why would an ideal diamond of .53ct be listed for around $1000???

Ok, AGS0 diamonds are graded on the cut of the diamond. That one you linked is probably around 1k because the other 3 C''s of the trade. Its SI1, etc etc. Is that ideal? Perhaps, but it fits into AGS''s definition/range of an ideal cut, not an ideal diamond. AGS0 just refers to the cut, not the diamond as a whole.

As for their search options, I find that using the bottom-of-the-page filters works fine, but once you use the top-of-the-page filters it expands the search from AGS0''s to all...

As for the superbcert cuts, you should read this page:

"Our SUPERBcert® diamonds are cut to the very middle, (to the heart) of the AGS-0 scale. The cutting tolerances on SUPERBcert® diamonds are extremely tight as measured by either Sarin or MegaScope analysis. Typically, the differential between the 8 Crown facets as well as the 8 Pavilion facets is less than 1 degree! "
http://www.exceldiamonds.com/education/measurable-beauty.php

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Date: 7/12/2006 2:26:10 PM
Author: nobly

''Our SUPERBcert® diamonds are cut to the very middle, (to the heart) of the AGS-0 scale. The cutting tolerances on SUPERBcert® diamonds are extremely tight as measured by either Sarin or MegaScope analysis. Typically, the differential between the 8 Crown facets as well as the 8 Pavilion facets is less than 1 degree! ''
http://www.exceldiamonds.com/education/measurable-beauty.php

Sorry, but I cannot help it. I am ROFLMAO.

Is this talking about rounds? 8 main facets, and wow, a variation of less than 1 degree. While we are talking on another thread about 0.2 degrees max?

Or is this princesses? Which have 4 similar main facets, not 8.

And for those who know the AGS-0 scale, can somebody tell me what is the middle or the heart of that scale? For us, cutting graded AGS-0''s, I must say that I do not know the middle of the scale.

Finally, studies of Bruce Harding on all kinds of gemstones have already indicated that in all gemstones, the best performers have a proportion-set which is close to a lesser performing area. So, the best performers are not even in the middle of a so-called scale.

I am sorry, really really sorry, but it has been quite a while that I have not read a piece of promotional incorrect crap like this.

Live long,

 

[nobly]

Shrug, I was just trying to point out that that reasoning may be the point behind the price differences.

If you want to say that about exceldiamonds, maybe you should call them and confront them with it if you''re so incensed against it.

That statement is on rounds (You could follow the link and see that - hence why I linked it), but could imply that it is extended to princesses as well? I really don''t know if it does or not.

 

[Mara]

WF has those new princesses that are AGS0 on their website, those things are SMOKING in person, their idealscope images are on fire...I saw a bunch of them in Texas in May. But it seems like most of them are over 1c. But I would still call and ask about them....

I am not a huge princess fan but seeing these in person, MAN I was practically ready to buy a 3 stone RHR right there! hehee.

 

[Mara]

 

[Mara]

yummm!! this one is a 1c+ G VS but most of the new ones they have look something like this. i want!

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 7/12/2006 3:03:06 PM
Author: Paul-Antwerp

Finally, studies of Bruce Harding on all kinds of gemstones have already indicated that in all gemstones, the best performers have a proportion-set which is close to a lesser performing area. So, the best performers are not even in the middle of a so-called scale.

Live long,

Paul,

Sounds like you''ve got some other action happening on your comments, but re this comment of yours...your attentions to the recent post by Cypp on the HCA are appreciated.