What is wrong with this diamond?

[Diachi]

It seems just a bit too low in its price range but I can''t tell what is "wrong" with it to put it there! HELP!

$5,075.00
Report: EGL
Shape: Radiant
Carat: 1.20
Color: D
Clarity: VVS2
Depth: 64.5
Table: 64
Girdle: TK
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Good
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Measurements: 5.91-5.83X3.76
Length/Width: 1.01

I''m going diamond-eyed, crazy!!!

 

[oldminer]

It is Very reasonably priced even if it is an E-VS1. Go further and make sure it is pretty, too, and not just a surprisingly ugly stone for low money. It could be beautiful AND a super bargain. There may be some undisclosed problem. It is well worth further inquiry.

 

[Diachi]

Thanks David!

I emailed them for more info...also, I PM''ed you as well...Can''t wait to hear from you!

 

[Adlers]

Medium blue would be the issue, a purist in this business would probably shy away. I think if you read about the medium blue it could cause the diamond to be a bit hazy. The diamond will be blueish in sunlight. In a lab you would not use that particular diamond as a master for grading other diamonds. The diamond may be a bit on the full make side, but if those issues don''t bother you go for it.

 

[YoungPapa]

Adlers,

With all due respect, I disagree with just about everything in your post.

Most purists (or at least dealers) have no problem with fluorescence - it''s the customers that have the hang-up because they''ve been misinformed about how it effects a diamond. I have a 1/2ct round diamond that is "D" color I wear in a tension set mens wedding band and it has medium fluorescence. I would have purchased strong fluorescence if I could have found it in the quality I wanted.

99.999% of the time medium blue fluorescence isn''t going to make a diamond hazy. In fact that "hazy" or "milky" effect people read about in fluorescent stones is actually pretty rare. It can occur in the "strongs" and "very strongs" but is virtually unheard of in a medium.

Medium blue fluorescence will not make any diamond appear "blue" in the sun. Even most strongs don''t look blue in the sun, they just appear to be a bit whiter than a comparable diamond without fluorescence.

You are right-on about the diamond not being suitable as a master diamond, since the fluorescence can effect the perceived color.

I don''t know anything about the EGL diamond Diachi posted, but I really don''t think the price has much to do with fluorescence. Please don''t construe this post as a critisicm - just my own professional point of view!

Cheers,

 

[Diachi]

Date: 4/28/2005 7:47:32 PM
Author: YoungPapa
Adlers,

With all due respect, I disagree with just about everything in your post.

Most purists (or at least dealers) have no problem with fluorescence - it''s the customers that have the hang-up because they''ve been misinformed about how it effects a diamond. I have a 1/2ct round diamond that is ''D'' color I wear in a tension set mens wedding band and it has medium fluorescence. I would have purchased strong fluorescence if I could have found it in the quality I wanted.

99.999% of the time medium blue fluorescence isn''t going to make a diamond hazy. In fact that ''hazy'' or ''milky'' effect people read about in fluorescent stones is actually pretty rare. It can occur in the ''strongs'' and ''very strongs'' but is virtually unheard of in a medium.

Medium blue fluorescence will not make any diamond appear ''blue'' in the sun. Even most strongs don''t look blue in the sun, they just appear to be a bit whiter than a comparable diamond without fluorescence.

You are right-on about the diamond not being suitable as a master diamond, since the fluorescence can effect the perceived color.

I don''t know anything about the EGL diamond Diachi posted, but I really don''t think the price has much to do with fluorescence. Please don''t construe this post as a critisicm - just my own professional point of view!

Cheers,

So what do think affects the price then?

 

[slagathor]

I''ve noticed that stones rated by EGL are typically less pricey than GIA certified stones. I''ve noted some pretty impressive "bargains" online but without seeing the goods. Anyone else ever notice this?

 

[Lord Summerisle]

Date: 4/28/2005 7:47:32 PM
Author: YoungPapa

I don''t know anything about the EGL diamond Diachi posted, but I really don''t think the price has much to do with fluorescence. Please don''t construe this post as a critisicm - just my own professional point of view!

Cheers,

Just coming back to just the last point you made. I seem to remember reading on the subject of Fluorescence – now it was a couple of months back, and I cant remember exactly where I read it – so take this with a pinch of salt till I can back it up with a source.

Ok enough of the intro.

Basically – the article I read talked about how flour. Could affect the price. And the degree of flour and the graded colour of the diamond affected the variance in price.

Because of the blue of the flour countering the yellow of a diamond – making it appear ‘whiter’, flour had the effect of lifting the price of the diamond in lower colour graded stones (for example H, I, J, K…) by certain percentages. While for the higher colour graded diamonds D, E, F… fluor had an effect of lowering the price since it is perceived as a bad thing in such gradings. Tho what this means is – you can find a good bargin if the fluor doesn’t adversely effect the diamond to your eyes… a D with say med. Fluor will be cheaper than a D without Fluor…While on the other hand a K with med. Fluor could have a higher price tag than a K without fluor.

Hopefully you followed that…

 

[valeria101]

Date: 4/28/2005 9:43:16 PM
Author: Diachi
So what do think affects the price then?

To the question "What is wrong with diamond" the only answer that comes to mind is... wait and see. On paper I can''t guess. It could be that this is stuuupid ugly but that is not a standard note on EGL lab reports. It could be just a nice bargain after all: not too surprising if a couple dozen folk tried to second guess the price as this thread has until now.

The discount for fluorescence seems to have a resonable (IMO) historic explanation: fluorescence does make diamonds look whiter in most lights (since mosts contain some UV) including daylight and the phenomenon has been used to missrepresent color grades. This practice has eventually been deterred by industry regulation, but the sour taste remains in the form of ... discounts. The prices of higher color grades were the most affected - not surprisng, since that is precisely the type of merchandise where the price differences are the most significant. Without this consideration, the faint blueish cast of those diamonds just makes them look whiter than white (same as the blue color used to represent super-white in adds for detergents... please forgive the mundane comparison).

This is about all I know.

Any chance to see that diamond ?

 

[fire&ice]

The colorless stones w/ med/strong blue do trade for less. Is there a reason - no - just that they do.

I have three stones with varying degree of bl. fluor. My 3c has medium (according to the cert) - but appraiser thought it was closer to strong blue. Indeed, in direct sunlight, it has a kind of purplish hue. I adore the effect. I wouldn't purchase a stone w/o blue fluor.

Good luck. The stone may be worth a look!

 

[Adlers]

I understand that it may not be super hazy or milky, however it does affect price according to price sheets when you are talking about D-f colors. I agree with you completely that consumers should consider it. I had a customer that could see the blue in the medium range, not saying everybody would , but she could see it. I explained all before hand, showed the diamond outside as well as in the viewing cabinet withe ultaviolet light. She was fine with it until she had seen it in natural light in the car. "Purist" is a definition I would give to her. Somebody truly trying to find all things as close to perfect on everything else would hesitate at a medium blue. I would not but they would. My paperwork shows a price difference of 1-7% for D-E color, and anywhere from 1-3% on F-H colors depending on clarity.

 

[Diachi]

Any chance to see that diamond ?

Thanks for all the responses, I understand completelly!

It sounds like if the diamond is pretty, I don't mind a blue flash (it actually sounds kind of pretty to me, I have to admit!), and the EGL cert. vs. an GIA cert. doesn't bother me, it could be a great deal! Even if the grades are soft, the price is still good for an E, VS1 or even an F VS1 so its worth a look! We went ahead and pulled it, and its on its way to the appraiser on Monday! Based off of his recommendations, we will either keep it and get it set or return it! I don't know if I can stand waiting all weekend, LOL!

Signed,
Crossing my (ring) fingers!!!

 

[Rank Amateur]

Maybe this diamond looks like it was slapped up side the head!