what is this giant white circle in craiglist diamond?

[Lula]

Can someone with more experience please look at these two photos and tell me what about the cut of this diamond makes it look like there's a giant white circle in the middle of the stone? It also appears to have very "spindle-like," thin lower girdle facets.

I found this diamond listed in my local Craigslist jewelry listings. No information about the cert, angles, etc., only that it is 2+ carats, if I remember right.

Thanks!

 

[Lula]

last photo...

 

[Lorelei]

Might be table reflection Sara, also the cut isn't great.

It does have extremely long LGF's too!

 

[kenny]

Yucky cut.

If it''s cheap enough it may be worth buying for a recut.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Looks huge, but not that great of cut.

 

[Lula]

Thanks, everyone. So is that what I see referred to on some vendors' websites as "traditional optical symmetry" vs. H&A optical symmetry? It's just so different from what I see posted on this site that it caught my eye.

Kenny -- I never even thought of the re-cut idea

silly me!

I went back to see if I could find the listing and I can't -- I saved these photos on my desktop around Christmas time, and I just found them (spring cleaning file folders). Most of the jewelry on Craigslist in my area gets listed over and over because people ask way too much money (because they were charged way too much money, I'm sure). If I remember right, the person listing this ring was asking approx. $18,000.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 3/1/2010 1:05:06 PM
Author: sarap333
I went back to see if I could find the listing and I can''t -- I saved these photos on my desktop around Christmas time, and I just found them (spring cleaning file folders). Most of the jewelry on Craigslist in my area gets listed over and over because people ask way too much money (because they were charged way too much money, I''m sure). If I remember right, the person listing this ring was asking approx. $18,000.

People list over and over because most who are interested offer ridiculously low prices. I had a pair of diamond earrings up that I got a GREAT deal on when I purchased them (paid a lot less than retail) but still regardless, that doesn''t mean I''m going to sell them for only 15% of retail price! (Yes, I had $999 earrings up and was offered $150!) People come up with weird stuff too like because the economy is bad will I give them a good deal so they can please a wonderful wife? People, over and over, sending me emails like that prompted me to post the ad over and over. Finally I gave up and decided that I''ll reset them into another style, instead.

 

[Lula]

That's depressing, but not surprising, MC. Craigslist seems to attract spammers, too, at least for jewelry listings.

ETA:I looked for a long time (over two years) at jewelry listings on my local Craigslist. Maybe it's just where I live, but there seem to be very few "quality" listings; lots of stuff from the maul stores. Lots of people asking 75% or more of appraised -- not what they paid or retail -- value. I think it's just sad that so many people paid so much money for some of this stuff, and then the store "appraisal" inflates the value.

It sounds like you were just being lowballed by scammers, though.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 3/1/2010 1:15:37 PM
Author: sarap333
That's depressing, but not surprising, MC. Craigslist seems to attract spammers, too, at least for jewelry listings.

Yes, there is a lot of spammers. The other common one is where the person emails to ask if the item is still available and when I'd say, "yes," he/she would never reply back. It was boardering on obnoxious.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/1/2010 11:58:37 AM
Author: kenny
Yucky cut.

If it''s cheap enough it may be worth buying for a recut.

my only reason to look at CL.

 

[Lula]

Have you found anything good, DF??? Do tell!

 

[axis]

Date: 3/1/2010 1:18:53 PM
Author: MC

Date: 3/1/2010 1:15:37 PM

Author: sarap333

That''s depressing, but not surprising, MC. Craigslist seems to attract spammers, too, at least for jewelry listings.

Yes, there is a lot of spammers. The other common one is where the person emails to ask if the item is still available and when I''d say, ''yes,'' he/she would never reply back. It was boardering on obnoxious.

I''ve been trying to sell a car and I get this one quite a bit. Having an idea of how the spam world works, I''m guessing they have automated bots that scan craigslist and will email all the listings. Once you reply they know they have a working email address to spam out. I noticed a huge increase in spam for pills after replying to a couple.

There is so much junk now on Craigslist that it is nearly impossible to find the real deals.

 

[doctranod]

Can someone tell me why this diamond is a yucky cut? I am new to this. Now I''m worried about my diamond!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/1/2010 1:26:46 PM
Author: sarap333
Have you found anything good, DF??? Do tell!

to be honest i hardly ever look at CL.

but if i were to buy one off of CL it better be cheap enough so that even after paying for the recut,then regraded by GIA/AGS and still come out a winner.

 

[kenny]

Date: 3/1/2010 4:52:28 PM
Author: doctranod
Can someone tell me why this diamond is a yucky cut? I am new to this. Now I'm worried about my diamond!

To make a long story short this is what one well-cut round looks like.
Notice (even though this particular pic is a touch off axis) that this diamond has 8 sections that look very symmetric, or similar to each other.
The poorly cut one above looks more random and not symmetric.
Sure the professional controlled and even lighting on the diamond below helps too but it's not hard to see beyond that.

 

[joxxxelyn]

It''s hard to illustrate poor cut vs. ideal cut from a photo. This is how I like to think of it:

Imagine a large, drunk man in a tutu on stage attempting to dance ballet for the first time. He''s a poorly cut diamond. Give him a few weeks to learn some light moves, maybe sober up, and then he''s an average cut. Then, go to a completely different stage and observe a prima ballerina in practice, in top physical form, being one with her body and the music. That''s an ideal cut. The light will dance throughout the diamond and back into your eyes.

 

[kenny]

Date: 3/2/2010 1:14:27 AM
Author: joxxxelyn


It''s hard to illustrate poor cut vs. ideal cut from a photo. This is how I like to think of it:


Imagine a large, drunk man in a tutu on stage attempting to dance ballet for the first time. He''s a poorly cut diamond. Give him a few weeks to learn some light moves, maybe sober up, and then he''s an average cut. Then, go to a completely different stage and observe a prima ballerina in practice, in top physical form, being one with her body and the music. That''s an ideal cut. The light will dance throughout the diamond and back into your eyes.

Hey, what do you got against us fat, drunk men in tutus?

 

[kenny]

I know, you don't like my hat.

 

[JulieN]

HUGE table reflection. But as you can see, the table isn't extremely large. --> The pavilion angle is VERY steep.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Isn''t that leakage?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/2/2010 1:18:51 AM
Author: kenny
I know, you don''t like my hat.

Darcey Bussell = Ideal Rock.