What if he does not win?

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/23/2008 11:27:52 PM
Author: luckystar112
There was a 9% increase among young voters in the 2004 election, but just less than half of those eligible voted.

that''s the reason i say....Obama supporters better not count their chickens before they hatch.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 10/23/2008 11:11:11 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 10/23/2008 7:10:34 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 10/23/2008 7:04:05 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 10/23/2008 6:49:18 PM
Author: purrfectpear
I don't pretend to understand everything about the electoral college, but there was some reporter guy on last week that had a chart showing all the undecided states and he said that if McCain took every single state (EVERY ONE, which isn't very likely to occur), he still would not win.

It's a done deal unless Obama voters don't show up at the polls.

agree,but most of his supporter are the all talk and no action young voters.

btw; if McCain wins Pa this race will be closer than most people think.

What makes you say that?

my daughters, my friend's kids say they're not gonna vote (ages 18-22)

I see. That's interesting, my boys are very interested in this election (18, 22, 24), and not because of anything hubby and I have said. They are all 3 voting, and the youngest just turned 18 the end of August, he couldn't wait to get registered.


And as for Obama winning, it ain't over til it's over.

 

[MaggieB]

Date: 10/24/2008 6:34:00 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 10/23/2008 11:11:11 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 10/23/2008 7:10:34 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 10/23/2008 7:04:05 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 10/23/2008 6:49:18 PM
Author: purrfectpear
I don''t pretend to understand everything about the electoral college, but there was some reporter guy on last week that had a chart showing all the undecided states and he said that if McCain took every single state (EVERY ONE, which isn''t very likely to occur), he still would not win.

It''s a done deal unless Obama voters don''t show up at the polls.

agree,but most of his supporter are the all talk and no action young voters.

btw; if McCain wins Pa this race will be closer than most people think.

What makes you say that?

my daughters, my friend''s kids say they''re not gonna vote (ages 18-22)

I see. That''s interesting, my boys are very interested in this election (18, 22, 24), and not because of anything hubby and I have said. They are all 3 voting, and the youngest just turned 18 the end of August, he couldn''t wait to get registered.


And as for Obama winning, it ain''t over til it''s over.

Every young Democrat I''ve spoken to is very excited about voting, and every young Republican I''ve spoken to isn''t. I think it''s pretty candidate specific.

 

[swimmer]

Funny blog by Larry David (who created/wrote Seinfeld), about waiting for the election link

 

[swimmer]

Oh, and Dancing Fire, the Wall St Journal doesn''t think McCain can win PA link they are hardly a liberal media outlet.

 

[HollyS]

The under 35 crowd in my workplace have all stated that they don''t vote. Ever. For anyone, in any election. These people are Hispanic, white, and black. Most of them have never registered to vote. They still have an opinion; they still talk about how ''screwed up'' our country is; but they have no intention of exercising their right to vote. These are not minimum wage earners, BTW.

I find it ridiculous, fascinating, and ultimately rather horrifying. But if they are representative of most people of this age group -- 18 to 35 -- then Obama may have a bit of a problem.

There is no excuse for rioting in the streets, no matter who loses. And no one thinks the Republicans will take to the streets to burn and pillage; the mere fact that any news organization believes it may happen with Democrats, says a great deal about the mindset and hysteria associated with Obama. People can try to justify it (they can''t), but that just makes them look like fools.

 

[Lauren8211]

Date: 10/24/2008 11:36:17 AM
Author: HollyS
The under 35 crowd in my workplace have all stated that they don''t vote. Ever. For anyone, in any election. These people are Hispanic, white, and black. Most of them have never registered to vote. They still have an opinion; they still talk about how ''screwed up'' our country is; but they have no intention of exercising their right to vote. These are not minimum wage earners, BTW.

I find it ridiculous, fascinating, and ultimately rather horrifying. But if they are representative of most people of this age group -- 18 to 35 -- then Obama may have a bit of a problem.

There is no excuse for rioting in the streets, no matter who loses. And no one thinks the Republicans will take to the streets to burn and pillage; the mere fact that any news organization believes it may happen with Democrats, says a great deal about the mindset and hysteria associated with Obama. People can try to justify it (they can''t), but that just makes them look like fools.

I don''t think it is.

I''m well under 35, as are ALL of my friends, and we''re ALL voting.

I''m sure it comes in pockets. I have yet to find someone in my friend group that isn''t voting, or hasn''t voted in the past 1 or 2 elections if they were old enough.

 

[E B]

Date: 10/24/2008 11:44:39 AM
Author: elledizzy5

I don't think it is.

I'm well under 35, as are ALL of my friends, and we're ALL voting.

I don't think it is either. I am also in the 18-35 age group, and I don't know of a single (younger) family member or friend not voting.

This election has everyone pretty fired up. Bad news for...McCain?

 

[Skippy123]

Date: 10/24/2008 11:49:02 AM
Author: EBree

Date: 10/24/2008 11:44:39 AM
Author: elledizzy5

I don''t think it is.

I''m well under 35, as are ALL of my friends, and we''re ALL voting.

I don''t think it is either. I am also in the 18-35 age group, and I don''t know of a single (younger) family member or friend not voting.

This election has everyone pretty fired up.

Me too, I am in under 35 and voted 2 days ago and same with my friends.

 

[swimmer]

Perhaps in hotly contested or heavily liberal areas, younger people are fired up to vote for Obama, but not in as Holly pointed out Texas, where there really is no contest, McCain has already won there. Here in Boston everyone I chat with can''t wait to vote, we don''t have early voting, its painful to wait at this point! People are fired up both about Obama and about the end of Bush. Perhaps McCain just doesn''t get young people that fired up --statistically speaking that is, yes there are individuals who are, but not in numbers like Obama''s. I donno, just a conjecture.

Texas: McCain 53% Obama 42%
Massachusetts: McCain 35% Obama 61%

Neither are close races, I hear some people say that there is no point voting in MA just as folks hear in other states that are not at all purple. They know our prez choice is already decided...but we have some crazy local election stuff going on (ending the income tax and dog racing and ending jail time for small time marijuana use, and more), so will get the turnout.

 

[Irishgrrrl]

Date: 10/24/2008 11:57:12 AM
Author: Skippy123

Date: 10/24/2008 11:49:02 AM
Author: EBree

Date: 10/24/2008 11:44:39 AM
Author: elledizzy5

I don''t think it is.

I''m well under 35, as are ALL of my friends, and we''re ALL voting.

I don''t think it is either. I am also in the 18-35 age group, and I don''t know of a single (younger) family member or friend not voting.

This election has everyone pretty fired up.

Me too, I am in under 35 and voted 2 days ago and same with my friends.

Add me to the list! I''m 30, and I''m DEFINITELY voting for Obama on November 4. Most of the people I know who are in my age group are very intent on voting as well. I live in Pennsylvania, and we don''t have early voting. Otherwise, I think most of my friends (and myself as well) would have voted already.

 

[HollyS]

Date: 10/24/2008 1:06:46 PM
Author: swimmer
Perhaps in hotly contested or heavily liberal areas, younger people are fired up to vote for Obama, but not in as Holly pointed out Texas, where there really is no contest, McCain has already won there. Here in Boston everyone I chat with can''t wait to vote, we don''t have early voting, its painful to wait at this point! People are fired up both about Obama and about the end of Bush. Perhaps McCain just doesn''t get young people that fired up --statistically speaking that is, yes there are individuals who are, but not in numbers like Obama''s. I donno, just a conjecture.

Texas: McCain 53% Obama 42%
Massachusetts: McCain 35% Obama 61%

Neither are close races, I hear some people say that there is no point voting in MA just as folks hear in other states that are not at all purple. They know our prez choice is already decided...but we have some crazy local election stuff going on (ending the income tax and dog racing and ending jail time for small time marijuana use, and more), so will get the turnout.

Regardless of whether TX is going to be a red state or not, these people I refer to do not vote. Period. In any election. There are too many of them to be a mere blip on the radar. Apathy in this age group runs rampant. Maybe not on PS, where everybody is fairly well-educated and mostly well-adjusted

, but in many areas of our country.

 

[VRBeauty]

I suspect the pollsters have ways of taking this into account. In any event, time will tell. Twelve days, to be exact!

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 10/24/2008 3:53:14 PM
Author: HollyS

Date: 10/24/2008 1:06:46 PM

Author: swimmer

Perhaps in hotly contested or heavily liberal areas, younger people are fired up to vote for Obama, but not in as Holly pointed out Texas, where there really is no contest, McCain has already won there. Here in Boston everyone I chat with can''t wait to vote, we don''t have early voting, its painful to wait at this point! People are fired up both about Obama and about the end of Bush. Perhaps McCain just doesn''t get young people that fired up --statistically speaking that is, yes there are individuals who are, but not in numbers like Obama''s. I donno, just a conjecture.


Texas: McCain 53% Obama 42%

Massachusetts: McCain 35% Obama 61%


Neither are close races, I hear some people say that there is no point voting in MA just as folks hear in other states that are not at all purple. They know our prez choice is already decided...but we have some crazy local election stuff going on (ending the income tax and dog racing and ending jail time for small time marijuana use, and more), so will get the turnout.

Regardless of whether TX is going to be a red state or not, these people I refer to do not vote. Period. In any election. There are too many of them to be a mere blip on the radar. Apathy in this age group runs rampant. Maybe not on PS, where everybody is fairly well-educated and mostly well-adjusted

, but in many areas of our country.

I remember the last presidential election. The call for young voters was even more fierce than it is now (Remember Diddy''s "VOTE OR DIE" campaign?) And still, they didn''t vote.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/24/2008 10:05:42 AM
Author: swimmer
Oh, and Dancing Fire, the Wall St Journal doesn''t think McCain can win PA link they are hardly a liberal media outlet.

it ain''t over....TILTHE FAT LADY SINGS !!

 

[Irishgrrrl]

Date: 10/24/2008 7:57:07 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 10/24/2008 10:05:42 AM
Author: swimmer
Oh, and Dancing Fire, the Wall St Journal doesn''t think McCain can win PA link they are hardly a liberal media outlet.

it ain''t over....TILTHE FAT LADY SINGS !!

DF, I admire your dedication! You would have made a great captain for the Titanic! LOL!

 

[AprilBaby]

If he doesn''t win....the world goes on......

 

[vintagecushion]

Date: 10/24/2008 11:36:17 AM
Author: HollyS
And no one thinks the Republicans will take to the streets to burn and pillage; the mere fact that any news organization believes it may happen with Democrats, says a great deal about the mindset and hysteria associated with Obama. People can try to justify it (they can't), but that just makes them look like fools.

Well Holly, then I guess I'm about to look like a fool because I just can't agree with you on that. First of all I don't think the fact that news organizations think it'll happen is particularly compelling-or accurate-nor do I think that a small group is a reflection on the whole. We're not talking about a fringe candidate. We're talking about a candidate potentially supported by nearly half of Americans so that's a whole lot of generalizing.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/24/2008 8:03:07 PM
Author: Irishgrrrl

Date: 10/24/2008 7:57:07 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 10/24/2008 10:05:42 AM
Author: swimmer
Oh, and Dancing Fire, the Wall St Journal doesn't think McCain can win PA link they are hardly a liberal media outlet.

it ain't over....TILTHE FAT LADY SINGS !!

DF, I admire your dedication! You would have made a great captain for the Titanic! LOL!

wellll...Irish
going by my calculation...McCain will have 272 electoral votes.

 

[E B]

Date: 10/24/2008 9:59:47 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

going by my calculation...McCain will have 272 electoral votes.

By winning which states?

 

[Abril]

going by my calculation...McCain will have 272 electoral votes.

Nope, Obama will have >300 electoral votes.

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 10/24/2008 5:06:27 PM
Author: beebrisk


I remember the last presidential election. The call for young voters was even more fierce than it is now (Remember Diddy''s ''VOTE OR DIE'' campaign?) And still, they didn''t vote.

I was convinced Kerry was going to win that election. I would have put money on it.
But looking back on it now, I do think this election differs greatly from that one.

 

[brazen_irish_hussy]

I am in CO which is definitely a swing state, but I am in a conservative city at a conservative university. They have early voting on campus and I have yet to be able to do it because they place is always packed.

On election night 4 years ago, 80% of my college voted. I know, because we were all there, waiting 4 1/2 for the right to do so because of bad politics trying to disenfranchise us

Maybe it is because CO is always a swing state or maybe because we tend to have the most educated populace of any state as a whole, but where I am, young people do vote.

 

[Rhea]

It would be nice if there was required voting. Isn''t there a requirement to vote in some elections in Italy? I can''t find where I got that information so I could easily be wrong.

I vote every US election I''ve eligible for even though I''m out of the country. I''m looking forward to British citizenship so I can vote in the UK too. I do have a fair of American friends who don''t vote though. I can''t understand it myself.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 10/25/2008 5:26:12 AM
Author: Addy
It would be nice if there was required voting. Isn't there a requirement to vote in some elections in Italy? I can't find where I got that information so I could easily be wrong.

I vote every US election I've eligible for even though I'm out of the country. I'm looking forward to British citizenship so I can vote in the UK too. I do have a fair of American friends who don't vote though. I can't understand it myself.

I would have to disagree. If we had that, you'd have people who were totally clueless voting, as in those that were questioned about the presidential candidates and their stances, only the interviewer had switched them. So the people were agreeing with Obama's views, when they were in fact McCain's, and vice versa. I don't want those people voting.

Or then there's people like me, who can't in good concience back either candidate. I shouldn't be forced.

It should remain a choice, so those that care and are informed can decide who should run the country, imo.

 

[E B]

Bump for Dancing Fire''s electoral count.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/25/2008 1:11:44 PM
Author: EBree
Bump for Dancing Fire's electoral count.

i'm still learning the 50 states.