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I''m curious to hear opinions. I found this article in Glamour magazine.


If you''re still holding out for that diamond - but you need him to think it was really all his idea -here''s my fail-safe guide to making you boyfriend propose to you. Unlike a million diets that fail, this plan has guaranteed good results. Just phone any of my girlfriends... he''ll be shopping for a sparkler in no time, says presenter and writer Claudia Winkleman
Never mention anything to do with weddings
If you see a couple in a Rolls-Royce with a massive white flower garland on the bonnet and a veil billowing out of the window, pretend to do up your shoe (yes, even if you''re wearing flip-flops). If there''s a wedding scene in a film you''re watching, yawn pointedly, and if you go to a wedding together, complain about the length of the service, the hideous food, the awful disco - and then race home and say something along the lines of, "Jesus, promise me you''ll never make me do that."

Feel sorry for engaged and married couples
When you meet up with your oldest friend (who you are insanely jealous of because she has a rock on her finger, a good job, a house, and is coming off the pill in December) and her fiancé for dinner at their house, hold her hand across the table and tip your head to one side. A bit like you would if you saw an ill-looking dog in the middle of the street. Whatever you do, never leave saying, "They looked happy." No siree. Instead, they looked miserable and bored. Bored, bored, bored.

Go on holiday with your girlfriends
Who says the minute you have a boyfriend you have to go on every trip together? You are independent and you are off to the beach with a bunch of girls and a bottle of tequila. Now, even if you do stay in every night in a hideous resort talking about how much you miss him, he won''t know that. In his head you''re downing glasses of Mirage and limbo dancing with handsome men called Luigi. Hooray.

Don''t ask him to meet your parents
But if this has happened, don''t ask him again. Don''t suggest he spends Christmas with your family. He''s a man - he doesn''t. When he enquires why he wasn''t invited say, "Babe of course you were invited but I was saving you the hassle." This will infuriate and yet fascinate him (which is basically what we''re aiming for). Once he feels these two emotions about you he''ll have no choice but to pin you down and beg you to be his for ever and ever. This, by the way, is a fact - just ask any man.

Never, and I mean never, move in with him
This is the absolute cardinal rule. If you''ve already moved in with him and he hasn''t asked you and you want to be asked, then for God''s sake move out. Run like the wind! Take most of your belongings and leave one black lace bra and a bottle of Listerine. Sexy and just a little bit hygienic - gets them every time.

And when you''ve done all these things, it''s time for the deal clincher
This is the money shot, I believe. Invent a reason for why you need to move in with him for a week. Your boiler broke, your flatmate''s aunt is visiting from Australia, whatever. And you move in and it''s like all the angels have arrived. Cover him in kisses, never ask him a question when he comes in from work, have delicious snacks ready when he''s peckish (and boy snacks, too - a couple of pumpkin seeds and eight honey-roasted peanuts won''t do). Put on a silk T-shirt and a pair of high heels and ask him if he minds if you watch Sky Sports. Encourage him to go on a bender and clean up after he''s come home clutching half a kebab. Suddenly day eight comes and the boiler''s fixed, the aunt is going back to Oz and you''re moving out. Turn the heating off, empty the fridge, leave a note saying, ''That was fun. See you at the weekend handsome'' and turn out the light. I give him one month. So there it is. It''s fail-safe. Oh, and for anyone who says they don''t want to play games - I''m totally with you. All you need is that ring. Once that''s done, you can admit to hating football and Doritos, slip into a tracksuit and put your feet up. Game over. You win.
 
My opinion:

It's offensive and demeaning to both men and women, and I really wish it wouldn't work. But would it? Almost certainly
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It's basic human psychology to take for granted what you can get easily, and want to fight for what's just a little bit more difficult to get.

Seriously, I don't think there's a "failsafe" way to make anyone propose to you - guys will do it if and when they want to. I don't agree with the idea of playing games or being deceptive about who you are (like the asking to watch Sky Sports idea - erm, no). BUT I do agree with the principle of giving him space, doing your own thing with your friends and family, being an independent and self-sufficient woman, and not pressuring him by constantly bringing up marriage at every opportunity.

I'm sure a lot of people will disagree...
 
Complete bunch of crap. Playing games and not being genuine will get you only a failed marriage.
 
Aside from the fact this is highly offensive, there are a few gaping holes in it:

Most men take things at face value. If you say "Jesus, please don''t ever make me do that'', they will assume you mean it.

Also, in my circle of friends, you would never dream of marrying someone you hadn''t been living with for a few years at least. So that one wouldn''t work for me either.

But most of all, I want my relationship to be based on honesty and trust, and this kind of behaviour isn''t cool.
 
I totally agree. This might "work" with some people, but ultimately it will only end in tears.
 
Hahahaha. I highly doubt this would EVER work. And who wants to manipulate the person they love just to get a "rock on their finger"?
 
LOL I just showed this to DH and he said I did everything wrong. I moved in with him, wore sweatpants every day and bossed him around. He says he never even got that one week of goodness.

Seriously tho I think this article is disgraceful and demeaning to both genders. It''s not just game-playing, it''s outright lying and if a person can fool someone into proposing using those means, good luck to them keeping their fiance long enough to marry them.
 
Date: 8/21/2009 3:57:30 AM
Author:kribbie
I'm curious to hear opinions. I found this article in Glamour magazine.



If you're still holding out for that diamond - but you need him to think it was really all his idea -here's my fail-safe guide to making you boyfriend propose to you.
Um, I didn't bother reading past the highlighted section, because "fail-safe" (what is ever "fail-safe" in a relationship?) and "making" (oh sure, because everyone wants to FORCE someone to marry them) turned me off so completely. What a load of rubbish.
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i, of course, don''t take a single thing in this article seriously. but, do you think it was meant to be sarcastic?? that''s kinda how i read it.

Date: 8/21/2009 3:57:30 AM
Author:kribbie

Game over. You win.




but that made me laugh!
 
Ahhh I'm super busy at work and I just knew there was going to be one thread that I felt compelled to respond to...this was it.

Someone once said, "Women marry men hoping they'll change, Men marry women hoping they wont". This entire article is complete BS. I will never condone "acting" like something or someone you arent just to get a proposal. There is no walking on eggshells, no pretending to like something you dont. What you see is what you get. Like me as I am, or dont be with me. Because there are some people who might like my OCD ways with cleanliness and think its cute
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And actually, contrary to the sentiments in the article, this is why I do encourage living together before getting married. Because you find out so much about the person, that you would never see while "behaving" on dates.

My brother's wife did this concept. After their honeymoon she said "Can I stop pretending now?". Ummm yeah she did a complete 180, became controlling, b*tch, rude to my family, etc and they have discussed the D-word and are in counseling. So "fail-safe"? Yeah. Its a fail-safe way to a divorce.
 
Ummm...

This is a joke.... right?
 
Whoa, thanks for reminding me why I don''t read magazines like glamour! Seriously it''s not a hard concept if a guy wants to marry you he will, if he doesn''t he won''t (or he will but you''ll end up divorced)
 
This must be a joke. I think it''s written tongue-in-cheek.
 
I think I remember seeing this, actually!

Complete garbage! Just terrible... come on, men are no good at reading hidden signals, so what makes you think if you act SO opposed to marriage that they will start to think the opposite????
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I think that this article is sorta kinda just trying to say, "don''t go overboard about talking about marriage with your BF, and mention it to him 50 times a day, and ask him every week how many people he would want to invite to the wedding, and threaten to kill him for everyday he doesn''t propose to you". Theres a difference between an LIW and a crazy person
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But in the end.... it doesn''t really say that - it says put on a little show and say this and that and ignore your desire to be with him. Any kind of excessive behavior like that would drive a man away.... but this article..... especially the last thing!..... just horrible.
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Eesh, I hope it''s a joke.

#1 and #2 don''t sound at all like they''d help. Seems more like they''d push away any guy who''s really commitment-minded.

#3 isn''t a terrible idea on the surface, but it''s only good if you enjoy yourself instead of just taking the trip to prove a point.

#4 is just absurd. So is #5, especially the idea to move out if you''ve already moved in. And how exactly would #6 work in that case, anyhow? Move out, then back in, then back out?

Of course, I do have to give the author credit for confidence:
Just phone any of my girlfriends... he''ll be shopping for a sparkler in no time, says presenter and writer Claudia Winkleman
 
Sounds pretty much ridiculous to me. I hate game playing, and all she''s telling you to do is play games. I''ll just sit here and patiently wait while my FF plans the perfect proposal...no games necessary.
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Who writes this garbage? [Rhetorical question - no answer needed.]
 
Yikes!

Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and a little space now and again can give perspective about a relationship, but games and manipulation are total BS!

Try before you buy ladies! My mom did the "only living together for a week" before her marriage and ended up with 16 years of misery and a horribly messy divorce.

That article is the kind of bunk that gives LIW everywhere a bad name.

HD
 
A dramatization of these lies would be the Best. SNL Skit. Ever.
 
This article is sooooo ridiculous.

The pretend-like-you-despise-marriage-and-everything-associated-with-it plan is awful. Guess what? Guys won''t get it. It''s one thing not to mention that you want to be married, but if you start talking like you never, ever want to even think about a long-term commitment, most guys will not propose to you! Who wants to be rejected by a marriage-hater when they''ve bought a ring and gotten down on one knee? Someone I know very, very well (I won''t say who in case his girlfriend should happen to be trying the aforementioned plan and is secretly a LIW) decided to postpone proposing to his girlfriend because she had made an offhand comment about not wanting to get married. I don''t know what she actually said, but if she was trying to use reverse psychology, it definitely backfired.

For so many people, meeting the family is incredibly important--especially considering the old adage of "marry a person, marry their family." I think if someone tries to avoid it, it could be a huge red flag for the significant other. Don''t overdo the family time, but nevertheless introduce them to your SO. I don''t know too many guys who would propose without ever meeting the girl''s family. What if the guy wants to ask the girl''s parents before he pops the question? Does he have to look them up in the phone book and talk to them for the first time while trying to convince them that he''s an upstanding guy that she cares about when she''s never brought him home? I know my parents would be confused and unreceptive if they were put into that uncomfortable situation.

The "deal-clincher" is just one of the most laughable pieces of advice I''ve ever read. Enough said!

This article''s only redeeming piece of advice is the suggestion of making oneself a little less available. I agree with the author that going on vacation with friends is a great, healthy thing in a relationship. There''s no reason to be permanently attached at the hip, and it''s great to have other interests. If you can''t afford a vacation with friends, take a day trip with them. Spend some time away from your SO so both of you can have a little breathing room and some time to connect with other people. I also agree (for the most part) about not moving in together until you have a solid commitment (engagement or marriage or other long-term partnership plan), but I think this also depends on the relationship. Not moving in worked for me, but I know there are people out there who disagree with me and for whom moving in worked out well. I think it''s all part of the idea that you shouldn''t be available to your SO 100% of the time. (By the way, I believe that applies to everyone who''s in a relationship--married people included.) Someone who has their own life, interests, friends, and sense of self is just more interesting
 
Date: 8/25/2009 1:41:50 PM
Author: shertz1981
A dramatization of these lies would be the Best. SNL Skit. Ever.



WOW AGREED! HAHA WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!!
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ok, whos going to send a letter to the SNL people?
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Date: 8/23/2009 6:34:34 PM
Author: DiamanteBlu
Who writes this garbage? [Rhetorical question - no answer needed.]
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ditto
 
Date: 8/21/2009 7:10:51 AM
Author: Lozza

Most men take things at face value. If you say ''Jesus, please don''t ever make me do that'', they will assume you mean it.

lol, that''s exactly what I was thinking! If I had said to D I never want to do that and turned my face away everytime I saw anything to do with weddings/marriage, there''s no way that he would have proposed!
I''m hoping the whole article is a joke as it''s ridiculous!
 
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